The NHE and ONE - cut and bulk

[Robboe]

Originally posted by crackerjack414
most will probely disagreas on this but test is test if you are taking a precurser or the depot its the samething ( ones more potent). It still leads to an increase test levels in the body. IF you wanna do that then just go with AAS. I just cant stand all of those guys who claim to be natural when they use prohormes like there is no tomorrow.

1-testosterone != testosterone.

1-test can't armomatise, test can.

Two different compounds. It's good to see you've done your homework before speaking up.

Secondly, 1-test = AAS, so in that sense, i AM doing AAS. So saying that i may as well go and do AAS is quite a moronic statement.

Again, it's good to see you've done your homework.

Thirdly, where am i claiming to be natural? I've use clenbuterol in the past (twice actually), so does that constitute me being natural or not? And i've stated use of that compound on this forum before so it's not new news.

Since 1-test is AAS then no, from this morning, i'm not natural. But then again, if 'test is test' then all i'm doing is introducing a compound that is already in my body. Exactly the same scenario as with creatine. Are creatine users natural?

As far as i'm concerned there is a HUGE difference between pinning my ass or rubbing some goo into my chest. I'm not mentally prepared to inject myself at this point in time, and 1-test was something i wanted to experience, so i am.

I imagine i'll try injecting one of these days down the line too, but not for a few years yet methinks. I'll stick to my goo thank you very much.

 

[lina]

TP, I guess you are right... see what works best for each body type. I didn't do very well performance wise on this type of diet so I'm right now loving the little extra carb I'm adding in.

TCD, So your strength gains sounded minimal, but I do recall you doing well on some like your weighted dips.... I just wanted to confirm that it just wasn't me...with EC do you mean vit E and C?

OK, since you asked....my critique on your diet TCD: no fruits or veggies...

Sounds like Mam had a good ol' time with her boy....

 

[Robboe]

Ok, woke up a bit earlier this morning to shave the ol' chesticles and shower to scrub the area with an exfoliator. The applied the stuff. 4 squirts to the chest. It's a lot oilier than i'd imagined and takes some rubbing in. No rash formation, no did it burn. Tingled for a few minutes but that was all.

I also weighed myself, which is quite a daft idea the morning after a refeed, but i wanted to know. I clocked in at 211.5lbs. I've put on 16lbs since saturday. How's that for water/glycogen weight gain? Of course there's retention of food in that figure too, but i've put on a lot of water/glycogen.

Took some measurements too, which again was prolly dumb since i am retaining subcutaneous water, but who cares.

I'm training soon.

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by lina
TP, I guess you are right... see what works best for each body type. I didn't do very well performance wise on this type of diet so I'm right now loving the little extra carb I'm adding in.

TCD, So your strength gains sounded minimal, but I do recall you doing well on some like your weighted dips.... I just wanted to confirm that it just wasn't me...with EC do you mean vit E and C?

OK, since you asked....my critique on your diet TCD: no fruits or veggies...

Sounds like Mam had a good ol' time with her boy....

Strength gains were all over really. Cardio affected leg training, weight losses meant my exercises involving bodyweight gained a little (dips for instance) etc...

EC = ephedrine/caffiene.

I know, i eat an apple everyday but i never count it in my diet. As for veggies, due to the sheer volume of food i need to consume each day, veggies are out the window for now. There is literally no room.

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy


1-testosterone != testosterone.

1-test can't armomatise, test can.

Two different compounds. It's good to see you've done your homework before speaking up.

Secondly, 1-test = AAS, so in that sense, i AM doing AAS. So saying that i may as well go and do AAS is quite a moronic statement.

Again, it's good to see you've done your homework.

Thirdly, where am i claiming to be natural? I've use clenbuterol in the past (twice actually), so does that constitute me being natural or not? And i've stated use of that compound on this forum before so it's not new news.

Since 1-test is AAS then no, from this morning, i'm not natural. But then again, if 'test is test' then all i'm doing is introducing a compound that is already in my body. Exactly the same scenario as with creatine. Are creatine users natural?

As far as i'm concerned there is a HUGE difference between pinning my ass or rubbing some goo into my chest. I'm not mentally prepared to inject myself at this point in time, and 1-test was something i wanted to experience, so i am.

I imagine i'll try injecting one of these days down the line too, but not for a few years yet methinks. I'll stick to my goo thank you very much.

Good to see the chicken still has some fight! I like it.

My only comment on the issue is a take off on your creatine example -- the term natural used to have a meaning. With the intro of various suppliments it has become so blurred. Personally, I think in the lay sense, a "natural" bodybuilder is someone who does not use illegal substances. That definition, BTW, falls directly in line with Rob's analogy to creatine. That is indeed why (for the moment) 1-test is legal, it is naturally occurring in the body.

Anyway, that's my opinion (I know Rob you differ on that). So to take it a step further, using scientifically processed whey protein, is not more "natural" than creatine or 1-test. You want to get carried away? "Fat free" (cookies for example) anything or anythng artifically sweetened is also human made and not "natural". Is someone who uses sweet and low not natural.

Now don't everyone go all nuts here -- the point is, its very blurred.

 

[Twin Peak]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
As for veggies, due to the sheer volume of food i need to consume each day, veggies are out the window for now. There is literally no room.

I agree. I think thats why I couldn't breath on Monday and Tuesday but yesterday was better.

Are you going to post measurements? I haven't posted mine yet, but I'd like to see your changes. I am going to remeasure weekly (sunday nights). I am now weighing 209-210, so we are roughly the same ('cept you are taller and I am fatter).

 

[Robboe]

No, i'm not that lean so we can't tell who's fatter.

Anyhoo, you're right, the line is too blurry, and no matter how defined it gets, you'll never have a situation where everyone agrees what is natural or not. Which is why i introduced the creatine analogy. But it's uninteresting to debate so let's forget it.

Here's some quick measurements, prolly slightly inaccurate, but what the fuck.

R quad: 25.5"
L Quad: 26.5" (amazed here, usually my right leg is bigger).

R arm: 15.5-16" (couldn't get it exact).
L arm: 15.5"

Waist: 36" (was about 34-34.5" during cutting a few weeks back so i imagine this is due to water retention and bulged stomach from refeeding).

Chest: 45" (Not sure how accurate that measurement was).

Those are all i took.

 

[kuso]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy


Two different compounds. It's good to see you've done your homework before speaking up.

So saying that i may as well go and do AAS is quite a moronic statement.

Again, it's good to see you've done your homework.

.

LMFAO.....I saw him post that and was looking forward to your response TCD

 

[crackerjack414]

does your prohormone increase the testosterone to epitesosterone ratio ? if it exceeds 6to 1 congradulations you have tested postitive for AAS

 

[kuso]

Originally posted by crackerjack414
does your prohormone increase the testosterone to epitesosterone ratio ? if it exceeds 6to 1 congradulations you have tested postitive for AAS

Dude....which part of this post didn`t you understand?

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy


1-test = AAS

Since 1-test is AAS

I don`t think he is concerned with a positive test!

 

[Yanick]

LMAO!!

Rob, you bad boy, i can't believe your taking AAS!!

And all this time i have been living in a deluded world thinking that whatever the government says is right/healthy truly is right/healthy. Lets all start following the food pyramid and doing 30 min of cardio everyday to live long lives!!

Crackerjack, really, don't start with Rob. He doesn't just do shit out of the blue, and he knows what he's talking about. Mainly because he's a fuckin geek who actually likes reading shit like that.

And his point was very clearly stated, that

1-test as in ONE, the product that he is taking, is AAS

Through a loophole in the law however its still legal. You gotta get your shit in order, just because something is legal/illegal doesn't mean its healthy/unhealthy for you. Just take a look at ephedrine, the fuckin dumbasses in washington want to ban it because some 80 year old took something like 3 times the dosage, with a pre existing heart condition and fuckin died. NO SHIT SHERLOCK!!!

okay i'm going off topic, i'll stop now.

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by crackerjack414
does your prohormone increase the testosterone to epitesosterone ratio ? if it exceeds 6to 1 congradulations you have tested postitive for AAS

Read the above posts by Yan and Kuso for my reply.


Anyhoo, trained back and calves earlier.

About 12 sets or so for back, got a great pump, but it's still early days yet. I've only had one application so far. I do my next at about 9pm (keeping applications as close to 12 hours apart as possible).

The pump was good, but disscipated pretty quickly, which was unfortunate but what the fuck, eh?

On a less attractive note, since i refed on cereals and bran flakes yesterday, you would believe the amount of 'passing' i've done today. I seriously never realised i ate that much yesterday. Had lots of gas too. Not nasty smelling gas, just huge trumps when they come. Quite humerous actually.

I train chest tomorrow. On a really cool note, if anyone is familiar with YatesNightBlade from musclemag or wannabebig or wherever else he posts? I'm training with him tomorrow, which = ace. He's up to see his girlfriend so we've arranged a session. He's about 250lbs and a very big lad, but i'll show him how to train properly

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by Yanick
Just take a look at ephedrine, the fuckin dumbasses in washington want to ban it because some 80 year old took something like 3 times the dosage, with a pre existing heart condition and fuckin died. NO SHIT SHERLOCK!!!

You seen 'Requiem for a dream'?

 

[Yanick]

No but i heard that it has something to do with speed or ephedrine or something. You can spoil it for me if you want.

 

[Twin Peak]

Don't know 'em but have a good w/o! Bet he kicks yer ass!

I have had some good pumps (not unbelievable though) too, but they have been lasting a coupla hours.

 

[Robboe]

This 1-test really jacks up your appetite. I ate brekkie and then like 30 minutes later i was hungry.

We've bougt my mam a kitten for her birthday and i've spent the past day and half playing with her. She's white with a ginger jacket and a little ginger moustaché. She's lush.

I'm training with yatesy in a few hours. TP, you're probably right, he will.

 

[Twin Peak]

Hmmm, hasn't effected my appetite.

 

[Yanick]

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
This 1-test really jacks up your appetite. I ate brekkie and then like 30 minutes later i was hungry.

We've bougt my mam a kitten for her birthday and i've spent the past day and half playing with her. She's white with a ginger jacket and a little ginger moustaché. She's lush.

I'm training with yatesy in a few hours. TP, you're probably right, he will.

I got the wrong impression from the post while i was reading it.

First line you say that your hungry, then in the very next sentence you start talking about a cat. hmmmm?

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by Yanick



I got the wrong impression from the post while i was reading it.

First line you say that your hungry, then in the very next sentence you start talking about a cat. hmmmm?

Don't getcha?

Trained with Yatesy earlier. Damn that boy is big. Strong too. Made me look a right ponce on the bench when i squeezed out 4 slow reps with my top weight and he got an easy 18 and was nowhere near failure on the 18th rep.

I think, and i say think cause i never wrote anything down, that we did 9 work sets in total. And we followed it up with about 5 work sets for abs. It was great fun in all, and i'd love to train with him again some time. Maybe even next week if he comes up again.

No beer o'clock today, taking the weekend off partying. Firstly to save money, since i spent a lot when i went to the game on wednesday, secondly to give this 1-test more time to kick in without any problems and thirdly cause i'm well and truely bollocks'd.

 

[Yanick]

Lemme show you what i was expecting to read...

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
This 1-test really jacks up your appetite. I ate brekkie and then like 30 minutes later i was hungry.

We've bougt my mam a kitten for her birthday and i've spent the past day and half roasting her.

btw, yeah Yates is hella big, i saw a pic of him last year, and he was massive, he's probably double that now.

don't sweat his physical superiority over you, just think, that to someone like me you would make the same impression as he did on you.

 

[Twin Peak]

Yan you have any pics around? How long have you been training? Do you have a journal?

 

[Yanick]

check the journal section, its titled something like "Da Yanaks road to success."

i posted pics over there and there is a bodybuilding biography of sorts in there.

 

[QueenofSquats]

Who is Rob???

 

[Yanick]

LOL, sorry i thought you would know.

Rob=TCD (he like using real names, much like me)

 

[Robboe]

Originally posted by Yanick
Lemme show you what i was expecting to read...



btw, yeah Yates is hella big, i saw a pic of him last year, and he was massive, he's probably double that now.

don't sweat his physical superiority over you, just think, that to someone like me you would make the same impression as he did on you.

Dude, eat my kitten? Are you some sort of sicko?!

I prefer puppies.

On a side note, the film 'Simone' is trés Bien.

Yan, i wasn't that bothered about Yates "superiority" lol. He's a cool guy, but he literally is twice my size.

 

[Robboe]

Trained thighs earlier. I was getting an amazing pump simply from warming up on squats, so straight away i knew it'd be a good workout. And it was.

I also got a lower back pump, quite a hellish one too, which i have never experienced before. Quite humerous really.

I covered about 13 sets in total for both muscle groups (quads & hams). I'm gonna be sore tomorrow.

 

[Robboe]

Ok, delts and arms went swimmingly. Progressed on everything. Nothing amazing yet though, since i'm still working with sub-max weights and stopping shy of failure, and these are weights that i've done in the past and lifted heavier previously (much heavier on some exercises). But either way, it's all good. Nothing i'll attribute to the 1-T yet, since i could have made these gains from merely carbing up and the extra calories.

Great pump too.

I got to the end of the workout at around 6pm and realised i'd only eaten twice before then. Had my post w/o shake and decided to alleviate the need for 2 meals by buying a dorian yates protein flapjack (about 500 kcals) and eating it right there, and bought a big Nestle Double cream chocolate bar (one of the really big ones) and ate it on the walk home from the gym (about 700 kcals) so i now reckon i can get in all 4000kcals without any hassle by the end of the day. And tasted ace too.

 

[Twin Peak]

Too funny. Nice "post workout" feed! 4000 cals that way is cheating though! Too easy.

What is your normal post w/o shake?

 

[Robboe]

Hey, post workout nutrition is important remember

Shake = 50g dextrose (sometimes 10g creatine, if i have it), 2 scoops simply whey, but i've bumped it to 3 scoops lately.

There's no magical formulas behind it. No 3:1 ratios of carbs to protein. No magical insulin mimickers or nutrient shuttlers or anything like that. No plasmoid defribulators or transporter deconditioners. No Contractile demodulators or Mega-enhanced nutrient cell depository. Or any other made up crap.

Just simple carbs, good ol' whey, and creatine.

*cough*

And chocolate on occasions.

*cough cough*

 

[Robboe]

Sweet Jesu.

I just had an epiphany.

I'm worse for chocolate than women