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I was actually kind of wondering the same thing. I guess gears don't count!
It can be drug abuse. A lot of users just hide behind the "health and fitness" mantra.
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It can be drug abuse. A lot of users just hide behind the "health and fitness" mantra.
What a great thread. I think we all struggle with sort of addiction, weather it be alcohol, drugs, sex, heck there is even internet addiction.
I guess the key for me is moderation.
I have attended AA meetings in the past. Thank goodness I wasn't as far into my drinking as most that were in the rooms, they really helped me to see when I don't want to be.
My experience at my first meeting was shock and amazement that there actually were others just like me. I was exactly like the people in that room. It was oddly comforting.
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Accoring to these guys, steroids are drugs and they are bad: DEA, Drug Information, Steroids Talk about propaganda......
However, steroids are nectar from the gods.
However, steroids are nectar from the gods.
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Fucking seriously! What kind of whores don't turn tricks on New Years? That should be their prime working goal. On the other hand, things turned out for the best. I saved some money by servicing myself and a possible visit to the local heath department.
We saw a show on medical detox. WOW! Was that intense! I hope I am never to the point where I would need to consider such thing.
One day at a time, one foot in front of the other
Medical detox was a blessing for me. Docs just threw pills at me after knee surgery. Add alcohol into the mix, and you've got a deadly little mix. I was very physically addicted. I was pretty far down the rabbit hole. The detox process was not nearly as difficult as it would've been on my own. I've got over 15 years clean and sober now, so hopefully I'll never experience anything like that again.
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Yep-But I can stop with no problems. I had to take pain meds after my back surgery last year, so I told the doc about my background, and he helped me get off asap. I also took the prescribed amount and no more, something I NEVER did years ago. I didn't cycle AAS for nine months, either.
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I think it is a good point. I would guess that addiction problems are more likely for obsessive personalities, and that includes most of us lifters. I'd bet a higher percentage of us end up with drug or alcohol problems. So for a person like me, abstaining from Anabolics would probably be safer, I admit.
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Sorry to hear that-oxy and xanax are nasty drugs, especially mixed with alcohol. I've been to more than a few addict funerals myself.
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Fuckkk I feel like I just crawled out the gutter I been on a 2 day drinking binge...I woke up in a strange girl's house sat.morning don't even remember hitting it.I must have the brod won't quit text me.I'm so done drinking for atleast 2 weekends gym gonna suck this week.
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I agree, but there is always the potential for abuse, which can be damaging.
That is so awesome.
Good for you, that is so inspiring for all of us that struggle with dependency. What keeps you going day to day? It is a hard feat. Again, I pray that I will never be to that point. It happens to the best of us all. Look at how many celebrities we have lost to such thing? Not that they are any different or better then the common folk, they are not. They just have more excitement, lack for a better word, and they choose the addiction. Scary topic :_)
That is so awesome.
Good for you, that is so inspiring for all of us that struggle with dependency. What keeps you going day to day? It is a hard feat. Again, I pray that I will never be to that point. It happens to the best of us all. Look at how many celebrities we have lost to such thing? Not that they are any different or better then the common folk, they are not. They just have more excitement, lack for a better word, and they choose the addiction. Scary topic :_)
Being active in AA helps me a lot. I've sponsored over a hundred men over the years, they say to keep what you have you have to constantly give it away to others. I wasn't going to post in the thread, but it is anonymous to a large degree. After fifteen years it just becomes a way of life. If I get in trouble or feel like using, there is always a meeting to go to somewhere. It is a scary topic, bacause I know how it can sneak up on you. Getting clean and sober is the best thing I ever did. I know I wouldn't be capable of the relationship my wife and I share if I was using, and working in Education would be impossible in that condition. Thank you for your kind and supportive words.
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been clean 5 years froma 15 year addiction
Id also like to add that the medical industry seems hell bent on creating addicts.
They have no regard for their patients it seems. Personally, the hipprocratic oath is a sham.
What im reading now is i may need to avoid people/places/things that trigger my desire to use. It seems anger triggers my desire to use. So How do you avoid your own thoughts? I believe im going to need anger management as well as treatment. Hopefully i can find a place that "does it all". Far fetched but we'll see.
I know im probably taking on more than i can chew. Im giving up multiple substances. Aside from benzo's, nicotine and alcohol too.
I do have a sense of control now because i can visualize this giant monkey coming off my back. I felt like a plane in a tailspin for the later part of 2010. Although Im very uncomfortable, i feel empowered. This is what will drive me. A sense of "control" is all i wanted.
They have no regard for their patients it seems. Personally, the hipprocratic oath is a sham.
What im reading now is i may need to avoid people/places/things that trigger my desire to use. It seems anger triggers my desire to use. So How do you avoid your own thoughts? I believe im going to need anger management as well as treatment. Hopefully i can find a place that "does it all". Far fetched but we'll see.
I know im probably taking on more than i can chew. Im giving up multiple substances. Aside from benzo's, nicotine and alcohol too.
I do have a sense of control now because i can visualize this giant monkey coming off my back. I felt like a plane in a tailspin for the later part of 2010. Although Im very uncomfortable, i feel empowered. This is what will drive me. A sense of "control" is all i wanted.
The AA/NA concept relies on God (higher power) ??
What if youre atheist?
EDIT: I think MDR explained it in PM already. Disregard
What if youre atheist?
EDIT: I think MDR explained it in PM already. Disregard
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For me, I was never into the support group, perpetual recovery lifestyle, 12-step concept. The 95% failure rate of AA was enough to turn me away. I also don't want to give up good friends that I've known my entire life. Not neccessito IMO. I could never sit in front of a group of strangers and expose intimate details about my life. If it's not your bag, it ain't gonna work. Bottom line is, it comes down to a personal commitment to yourself to abstain. If you can't do that, then no support group is gonna do it for you. It'll just be a revolving door.
You oughtta check out Rational Recover, by Jack Trimpy. Lotsa good info regarding the personal responsibility aspect of recovery. The fact is detox is hell, but it's over in a coupla days and your basically cured at that point and the personal commitment to abstinence is on you at that point. Everytime we choose to make a booze run, it's a fully indepenent conscience decision. No such thing as enablers, codependents, etc. It's all individual voluntary behaviour.
I hear what you are saying, but the disease concept is medically accepted these days. The brain scans of addicts look different than normal people. Getting clean is easy. Staying clean is very hard. AA/NA does not work for everyone, but the statistic you quoted includes people who attend only 1 or 2 meetings. I believe in the 12 step process because it worked for me. But you do have to make a real commitment to the process. In any case, everyone is entitled to their own views on the subject, but I do believe the support of others can be helpful. In all honesty, I think Jack Trimpy is all about making money, and has no interest in helping people recover. He is a conspiracy theorist who debases all forms of recovery, and all accepted concepts related to addiction. I think he is a bit of a nut, personally, and promising instant recovery to people is irresponsible and foolish, and guaranteed to fail.
Bro.. You belive in a higher power, I use Cellerdoor ! Go to a fucking meeting , your tryung to reinvent the wheel !
Ps.... Ill share my higher power, till you find one.
Define failure? Relapse? because Im sure that would be inevitable in the span of my life...but as long as i quickly got back on the wagon, ok.
im sure im already detoxed. i sweat it out for a few sleepless nights there and had some shitty episodes. but thats over already. Thats why i dont think i need inpatient type treatments. no shakes etc,.
i got a NA meeting guide so ill just check it out and see where it goes for now.
Yo brother, you want to to Ill email u my cell, no gay shit ! lol
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At least as far as I'm concerned, this is like a support group of my actual peers, not some bunch of folks I have nothing in common with but a love of pale ale. I'm not losing my wife, house or car. It's not taking over my life or anything that dramatic. It's just lately I find myself wanting to drink for drinkings sake alone. That's when I knew it was begining to be a problem.
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I agree. If used properly hormones make life better. Very few substances have long term benefits. Steroids/ hormones do.
I think relapse is a part of recovery. In the beginning, relapse does happen for some, others get it right away. I struggled for a few years unlit I was able to maintain consistent, long-term recovery. Main thing is if you have a slip, get right back to recovery asap. Abstinence is the goal.
Glad to hear that you are feeling physically better. Be patient with the meetings. Know that some meetings are better than others, and sometimes it takes a bit to find a good fit. I always preferred men-only meetings, especially in the beginning. Good luck, and I hope you are able to find support and encouragement.
