tiratricol vs. clen

[OmarJackson]

from user's personal experiance what is better for fatloss. I know it depends on dosages, but assuming the standard dosing for each:

clen 100-150mcg per day
tiratricol 2-4mg per day

i have done clen as high as 150mcg and i really wasn't that impressed. (maybe mine was underdosed - it was liquid, so who knows)

 

[redspy]

Personally I find Triac a much more effective fat burner than clen. And it doesn't give me the jitters.

 

[topolo]

triac is great......add it to e/c/y

 

[OmarJackson]

Personally I find Triac a much more effective fat burner than clen. And it doesn't give me the jitters.

does it require any kind of thyroid PCT?

like guggels (sp?) or 7-oxo?

 

[redspy]

does it require any kind of thyroid PCT?

like guggels (sp?) or 7-oxo?

Guggle and a 7 OXO transdermal will help. Also increase consumption of clean carbs to help stimulate natureal production of T3.

 

[topolo]

they will help but i am not sure they are a necessity for a short cycle

 

[milwood]

if you run triac without something androgenic, be prepared for muscle loss. Fat loss will come as well, but not as fast as muscle loss, unfortunately.

 

[OmarJackson]

if you run triac without something androgenic, be prepared for muscle loss. Fat loss will come as well, but not as fast as muscle loss, unfortunately.

really.....

i really don't want to waste the last remains of my PH stock on a cutting cycle.

can anyone else vouch for this as fact?

can clen offset this, as its supposed to be anti-catabolic?

 

[redspy]

really.....

i really don't want to waste the last remains of my PH stock on a cutting cycle.

can anyone else vouch for this as fact?

can clen offset this, as its supposed to be anti-catabolic?

Personally I play it safe and use PCT for a couple of weeks. The whole 'Clen is anti-catabolic' is bogus in my opinion. I've never seen any human studies to support that claim.

 

[LAM]

The whole 'Clen is anti-catabolic' is bogus in my opinion. I've never seen any human studies to support that claim.

ditto...

 

[OmarJackson]

Personally I play it safe and use PCT for a couple of weeks.

i don't understand, what does this have to do with running triac without androgens?

 

[milwood]

I'd run clen with or without PH/PS's. Even sometimes use it in PCT weeks, because I haven't had any problems with that. Others feel it IS catabolic, and therefore you should do PCT and then clen separately. Your choice. Triac, however, should NEVER be run in PCT, and I personally would never run it without a STRONG androgen working simultaneously. It eats muscle and fat, but muscle gets hit far more easily than fat. One time I ran it several weeks after a cycle and burned up everything I gained! Live and learn, I guess, but YOU don't need to do that!
They say smart people learn from their mistakes, but REALLY smart people learn from OTHER PEOPLE'S mistakes, and don't have to learn the hard way!

 

[SJA]

Well said Millwood. If done correctly, you aren't "wasting" PH's on a cutting cycle. IMO you should do most of your cutting during a PH cycle to avoid muscle loss. As stated, Trimax should only be used during a cycle.

Now, there is also a trend that I've noticed from user feedback.

1. For Trimax, Endomorphs have much less problem with muscle loss while using Trimax and can handle longer cycles and larger doses. Ectos, on the other hand, need to be extremely careful when using this product.

2. For clen, people who have a high tolerance for stims can go to extremely high doses without side effects. Those who have low tolerances need to take it easy. One experiment that I'd like to see is someone who is stimulant sensitive try ramping clen very slowly (when the sides disappear then you move up 20mcg). It may be that the effective period for these people is possibly longer than the stereotypical 18 days (without ketotifin).

 

[redspy]

i don't understand, what does this have to do with running triac without androgens?

I wasn't refering to androgens, just the fact that thyroid PCT is a must as far as I'm concerned.

I have used Triac without androgens and didn't lose much mass, but usually it's recommended.

 

[SJA]

FWIW....I had a blood test 2 weeks after using Trimax. I used 70X0 and Guggle. My thyroid showed normal function.

 

[OmarJackson]

FWIW....I had a blood test 2 weeks after using Trimax. I used 70X0 and Guggle. My thyroid showed normal function.

my last blood test yeilded TSH levels measured at 1.57MIU/L....

is this low because i've been dieting for a while now. thats why i was looking into triac in the first place.

 

[SJA]

my last blood test yeilded TSH levels measured at 1.57MIU/L....

is this low because i've been dieting for a while now. thats why i was looking into triac in the first place.

TSH should be between 0.4 and 5.5 so you are fine.

 

[motopsyko32]

if you run triac without something androgenic, be prepared for muscle loss. Fat loss will come as well, but not as fast as muscle loss, unfortunately.

how about if you run it with 1-ad?

 

[motopsyko32]

for those that PMed me..

http://dwb.unl.edu/Teacher/NSF/C11/C11Links/www.pinsonsfitness.com/triax._tiratricol.html


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[paulina64]

Do you know where to get tiratricol? I have been looking for so long and when I did have it, it worked wonders!

 

[FishOrCutBait]

No source asking on the board.

 

[paulina64]

Thanks