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TP's Gettin' Freaky
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Originally posted by Britney
Your thighs went from 18 to 28" ?
Alright Brit, if you are going to read that closely (and give me a hard time) the least you can do is READ CLOSELY!
Yes, it was a mistake and now fixed.
But those are BF caliper measurements in millimeters, NOT INCHES!
Meaning thighs and stuff? No. The only bodypart measurements are my waist/stomach and bicep, which are both growing! They are the first two measurements in the chart.
The rest are bodyfat, caliper measurements. I am also using strength and pictures as progress meters.
I'll use all of the same when I switch over to cutting, shortly.
The rest are bodyfat, caliper measurements. I am also using strength and pictures as progress meters.
I'll use all of the same when I switch over to cutting, shortly.
Uh oh, did you do to much pre-exhausting them with the 12oz curls this weekend?
j/k but after today I understand how they could be hurtin.
Nah, didn't drink that much this weekend. Really only had 1 glass of wine on Sunday. I don't know if its related to being pumped all week. I did do some extra work, in fact I'd call it severly overtraining, but it was my last real PH/mass bicep workout for a long time, so I went VERY VERY high volume.
Seven sets seated dumbbells with the 65s for 2-5 reps.
5 sets barbell curls with 95 pounds (very light)
Cable curls for 6 sets
Rope curls for 2 sets.
Except the first exercise, that is all very light stuff.
Seven sets seated dumbbells with the 65s for 2-5 reps.
5 sets barbell curls with 95 pounds (very light)
Cable curls for 6 sets
Rope curls for 2 sets.
Except the first exercise, that is all very light stuff.
yeah light for you, but at the same time ya increased the intensity by adding that volume of sets. You had to have had some serious burn getting all them sets in.
WEDNESDAY: Good thing this mass cycle is coming to an end, though I hate to see the PHs end. I am getting mentally and physically burnt out. Remember how psyched I was before and after every workout? No longer. Its okay, its normal. All things are cyclical and we can only hope to ride the highs and control the lows. I rode this high well, as I took my strength and size to new levels. The next mental cycle is to cut, and so cut I will. For that I am excited, for my current heavy loads, my excitement has waned (or is it waxed, can never recall).
So it is not for training that I am down, just tired of pushing these heavy, heavy weights. And yesterday and today???s workouts suffered, though I still progressed mainly. Not much left.
My brother is coming into town and to accommodate him I will train shoulders on Saturday instead of Friday. So do I take the day off? We???ll see. I???ll prolly go in for some light, extra bi work, maybe some calves too. Then shoulders is my last regular lifting day. Mon and Tues of next week will be my max days, where I find my new, fresh max, than do a bunch of light ???burn??? sets. I???ll cover the whole body in those 2 days.
Then I am taking a week off to rejuvenate physically and mentally and to help my T levels recover. Here is my three week post-cycle recovery plan and then on to my CKD and HST 6 week cut.
Week 1. Monday start 6-oxo at standard dose. Tuesday last day of One+. Last day of training until the following Wednesday (1 week off). Wednesday add E/C 3 times at 20/100; make conscious effort to add at least 2-3 more TBSP of flax (Normally have 1-2). Cals same as on.
Week 2. Same except: Mon start SU at 500mg working up to 1g, and keep there for 8 days, total 14 days. Wed, start w/o again, new routine, HST style but light, 15 reps, 1 set per exercise, and again on Friday.
Week 3. Last week of 6 oxo and SU. Same w/o (reduced vol, light weight) M, W, F. Taper cals back to 3000 (still several hundred above maint for me).
I am still debating the use of SU during post-cycle recovery.
Oh, and the scale said 231 today; methinks it must be water. Query: how much water can one hold?
So it is not for training that I am down, just tired of pushing these heavy, heavy weights. And yesterday and today???s workouts suffered, though I still progressed mainly. Not much left.
My brother is coming into town and to accommodate him I will train shoulders on Saturday instead of Friday. So do I take the day off? We???ll see. I???ll prolly go in for some light, extra bi work, maybe some calves too. Then shoulders is my last regular lifting day. Mon and Tues of next week will be my max days, where I find my new, fresh max, than do a bunch of light ???burn??? sets. I???ll cover the whole body in those 2 days.
Then I am taking a week off to rejuvenate physically and mentally and to help my T levels recover. Here is my three week post-cycle recovery plan and then on to my CKD and HST 6 week cut.
Week 1. Monday start 6-oxo at standard dose. Tuesday last day of One+. Last day of training until the following Wednesday (1 week off). Wednesday add E/C 3 times at 20/100; make conscious effort to add at least 2-3 more TBSP of flax (Normally have 1-2). Cals same as on.
Week 2. Same except: Mon start SU at 500mg working up to 1g, and keep there for 8 days, total 14 days. Wed, start w/o again, new routine, HST style but light, 15 reps, 1 set per exercise, and again on Friday.
Week 3. Last week of 6 oxo and SU. Same w/o (reduced vol, light weight) M, W, F. Taper cals back to 3000 (still several hundred above maint for me).
I am still debating the use of SU during post-cycle recovery.
Oh, and the scale said 231 today; methinks it must be water. Query: how much water can one hold?
MeanCuts
Registered
Your training routine looks great.Just one question about the calves you don't use weights for the standing calf raises?
Rob, no one said to. Its just a thought I had, and am contemplating. Here is my thinking:
I need to keep cals high, post-cycle, to maximize retention of gains. I also have a high predisposition fat storage. I also want to move to a cut relatively soon. Add in that I am at maximal BF levels and can't afford to add any more, and I thought that:
- I would kick off my 6 week cut with a pre-cut, utilizing high cals and SU. Best case is a keep all my gains and drop a few lbs. Worse case is a lose some of my gains (due to the SU burning up all the fuel) and I stay the same bodyweight.
Based on my experience last cycle (in that I lose some strength and size but it came back 2 weeks into my first EDT cycle) I am more concerned about the weight gain then a slight loss of muscle.
I spoke with Dante about this a bit and he has some thoughts. I'll share them, but first would like to here yours.
Hey Mean, and welcome aboard. The answer is no. What happened was I intended to work calves in the manner of all other bodyparts and I just didn't. My calves respond differently and so at the last minute, I bailed and trained them differently.
Then I got lazy and instead of recording weight, and reps, I just threw in the sets so everyone had the idea that I was still working them. Please excuse the laziness.
Have you seen and EDT-stlye program before? Its new to me as well. This is my second 4 week cycle.
I bet I know what Rob`s first thought is
It`s way more fun this way
Besides....I`m sure you`d think WTF??? with an "edited by kuso" sign on the bottom of your thread
Besides....I`m sure you`d think WTF??? with an "edited by kuso" sign on the bottom of your thread
Hi TP 
How are you???
How are you???
Originally posted by kuso
I bet I know what Rob`s first thought is
Haha! I shit you not, this was gonna be the first thing i was gonna say!
Anyhoo, i don't particularly have any real views on the idea, i just don't see it necessary.
I'm not sure if it'll do as you hope, but i suppose you can give it a shot.
I imagine Dante's views are related to SU burning about 98% fat, thus keeping metabolism further away from protein/muscle so may be beneficial?
No Dante, felt that it was not a good idea, but didn't have a clear answer why, he didn't know the effects.
He suggested cal cycling from maint to 500 above maint instead to control BF accumulation.
Hi B.
He suggested cal cycling from maint to 500 above maint instead to control BF accumulation.
Hi B.
Hey dude, I was thinking of doing my next 1-T cycle for 6 weeks, do ya think that would be to long to do this EDT program we worked on?
Also do you have any final thoughts on the 4AD?
And for what it's worth, I'd wait on the SU until probably twards the end of your cut to lose that little extra you want at the end. Just because of you not knowing what the effects will be on you for it, and I'd hate to see ya lose muscle or end up getting sick right after you just put in all this hard work to gain it.
just my $.02
Also do you have any final thoughts on the 4AD?
And for what it's worth, I'd wait on the SU until probably twards the end of your cut to lose that little extra you want at the end. Just because of you not knowing what the effects will be on you for it, and I'd hate to see ya lose muscle or end up getting sick right after you just put in all this hard work to gain it.
just my $.02
Yeah, I think based on the comments here and at Avant, I'll save the SU like you said for after the CKD. Maybe I'll do 6 weeks CKD, 2 weeks high carb with SU and 6 more weeks CKD.
If you are gonna do a 6 week cycle with the modified EDT, I think you should not do singles during weeks 3 and 4. Instead do the same exercises, do 5 sets in the 20 min period and keep the weight low and the reps high, 12 or so.
If you are gonna do a 6 week cycle with the modified EDT, I think you should not do singles during weeks 3 and 4. Instead do the same exercises, do 5 sets in the 20 min period and keep the weight low and the reps high, 12 or so.
Gotcha, I'll be logging the progress daily in my journal when I start on 2-17-03. But will post the plan when I get back next thursday.
I'm going to sort of do a modified carb cycling diet with this 1-T cycle to see if I can't keep from gaining to much fat this time like I did over christmas. But I'll let you know when I have that all typed out and any feedback would be apreciated.
I'm going to sort of do a modified carb cycling diet with this 1-T cycle to see if I can't keep from gaining to much fat this time like I did over christmas. But I'll let you know when I have that all typed out and any feedback would be apreciated.
MeanCuts
Registered
No i've never seen and EDT-style program before even searched on the web to get more info on it and couldn't find nothing.Could you tell me a cool site to check it out at?
Well, its described in more detail in my last journal (TP's Gettin Large), where I first tried it. Its near the end, read the last few pages or so.
A contributor to T-mag.com developed the concept.
Search Escalating Density Training over there.
Friday: Scale this AM said 236, so I repeat, how much friggin water can one hold? Well, I moved shoulders to tomorrow and did some extra bi, chest and quad work. Stayed relatively light on all and just looking for a pump really. I wouldn???t normally do this but with the androgen I will be fully recovered by Monday so no biggie.
So I am wrapping up. I am curious to see Monday???s weight, if this will hold, and do measurements and calipers Sunday night. I did tape my arm and waist last night, just to see, and my waist was the same and arm was up 1/3 inch, so that???s a good sign. I don???t know where the weight is hiding, I don???t suddenly look appreciably more muscular or fatter. Still assuming its water then, but it can???t all be. Oh well, I???ll have to just stop thinking about it.
Also, been reading that while post-cycle volume and frequency should decrease, but you should still lift very heavy. So I???ll probably do just that.
So I am wrapping up. I am curious to see Monday???s weight, if this will hold, and do measurements and calipers Sunday night. I did tape my arm and waist last night, just to see, and my waist was the same and arm was up 1/3 inch, so that???s a good sign. I don???t know where the weight is hiding, I don???t suddenly look appreciably more muscular or fatter. Still assuming its water then, but it can???t all be. Oh well, I???ll have to just stop thinking about it.
Also, been reading that while post-cycle volume and frequency should decrease, but you should still lift very heavy. So I???ll probably do just that.
Fucking hell man, 236?!
I bet since you can't see any major increase in fat storage in the past few weeks it actually IS LBM (including water of course) and you're just too bigorexic to see
I bet you're some serious fucking size now man.
I bet since you can't see any major increase in fat storage in the past few weeks it actually IS LBM (including water of course) and you're just too bigorexic to see
I bet you're some serious fucking size now man.
