training for an ex obese

[danilolopez]

i am a 29yo guy, 6', 220# i was obese til i was 25 (up to 300#), lost weight fast through a crash diet and mostly will power

been lifting for 3 yrs now, still carrying lots of fat, i do cardio everyday (7 days a week) and lift 3-4 times a week, suggestions?, recommendations?, specific training for guys my size?, i want to look defined or at least not to look fat or like someone that doesnt train at all, i can be dedicated and i am a cardio enthusiast, (never did cardio AT ALLl for 25 years)

Thanks in advance

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[JayBee]

try HIIT training. try cardio in the morning before eating (this will cause some loss of LBM, but youll loose the fat quickly) try circuit training when you lift.

 

[kraziplaya]

i have a friend that is exactly in your position...he was extremely obese and decided to change his life...he started doing cardio everyday and went on ephedra and watching his food intake...he dropped 160lbs and is maintaining at 210...however, it is nearly impossible for him to add muscle mass no matter how hard he tries because he does cardio everyday and doesnt eat enough... excess cardio promotes cortisol which is catabolic to your body...make a decision...be skinny fat(which is wat you will be) or quit being paranoid and add some lean muscle mass and cut 75% of the cardio and eat clean and a lot... btw...good job on ur goals so far...now take it to the next level and get that body how u want it

 

[kraziplaya]

also...u should feel lucky...my friend has so much excess skin taht its disgusting... and he has already had a skin removal surjery...u could lose the man boobs and you would be straight...

 

[BulkMeUp]

try HIIT training. .

HIIT is suggested for those who are fit. Def not for the obese or those that carry a lot of fat. In his case he is better of with regular cardio to start with.

As mentioned, keep it reasonable and dont overdo it.

 

[danilolopez]

thanks

thanks for your recommendations

is hard not to be paranoid about becoming fat again (its been 4 yrs since that), so leave cardio is not as easy

i dont think i am skinny fat (i was when i lost the weight), i am just overweight-fat now, but i will follow ur recommendations

krazy: do you know how old was your friend when he lost the weight, did he did it on his own?, or through a gastric operation?, my biggest concern is chest as you mentioned, not man boobs, but lots of fat in there, that wasnt even there when i melted into 170#, now is fat and muscle, but surgery is out of the question for me, i am against it since i know i can do it by myself, and i know that if i conquer that i will feel better too, same with gastric operations but i am talking just for me, personal opinion.

 

[kraziplaya]

thanks for your recommendations

is hard not to be paranoid about becoming fat again (its been 4 yrs since that), so leave cardio is not as easy

i dont think i am skinny fat (i was when i lost the weight), i am just overweight-fat now, but i will follow ur recommendations

krazy: do you know how old was your friend when he lost the weight, did he did it on his own?, or through a gastric operation?, my biggest concern is chest as you mentioned, not man boobs, but lots of fat in there, that wasnt even there when i melted into 170#, now is fat and muscle, but surgery is out of the question for me, i am against it since i know i can do it by myself, and i know that if i conquer that i will feel better too, same with gastric operations but i am talking just for me, personal opinion.

he was around 20-22 when he lost the most weight...he did do it on his own taking eca and cardio and eating little...he needed surjery becausse of the excess skin(man if u saw it you would kiss your body all over) but even still he has skin/fat.. i cant tell... u look like u could just lose some fat especially in the chest area...good luck to u and u did real good.. and i know that u are paranoid because i see it from my friend and he tells me(he tells me i dont know what its like to be real obese,etc and have people stare,etc) so he cant stop...but the cardio does hamper his muscle gains extremely

 

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kraziplaya made some good points the problem you face is you want it now you don't wanna wait you should be super stoked about your present to day loss's and use that to fule your future indevors. First and formost what is your BF%?? weight is a joke. point in fact go in your bathroom and weight yourself now go in your kicthen and drink 2 to 3 pints of water now go weigh yourself again. Holy crap you are fatter!!! or are you? see my point go by BF% callipers are within a 5% accuracey rate and most gyms do it for free for member or for 5 or 6 dollars.


if you are in a helthy BMI now then go crazy with the wieghts cuz muscle equals faster metablolism and you will get all strong not be as cut but healthy that is what counts. Or you could go into super cardio mode eat hella healthy and train for a triathalon or something to make it fun and worth the everyday balls out cardio effort when you are as thin as want and did a tri or whatever then turn it down and go to the weights. Acomplish something that would have been Imposible or unimagineable 3 years get in a 5K do a sprint Tri or Duathalon. That is the icing on your cake personal gratification of the once imposible

as PT / PE student the basic point you want is, are you helthy who gives a shit what people look at you like if you take care of yourself are healthy and gonna out live most people and be more active as you reach old age. Remeber the american perception of "beauty" chages every 2 years and we are slaves to it because of the media. How hot would the williams sisters have been durring the whole Kate moss faze??? Just be Happy Have fun and Live healthy. I think you should find support groups for obese people and help motivate them. By current standards you achived and amaizing feet now help others, you are a wealth of knowledge and incredable support structure for people in your shoes 3 years ago. That will be more rewarding than any set of abs or BENCH PR

 

[Velvet]

Congrats on your fat loss!

 

[Tough Old Man]

Well I was 285 last year with 34% Bodyfat. I'm now 223 lbs with 15% B/F. keep the lifting to 3-4 days a week. Cardio 4 days a week just a 45 min brisk walk. you don't want to lose much more lean body mass then you have now. Keep your diet clean. If you want t a clean good effient diet PM me and i'll give you one.

Tough

 

[guyfromkop]

honestly i'm a big guy too, and i've come to the realization i will never look like the guys you see in the professional pictures, i'll never have 6 pack abs and probably never come close to 10% bf. i tried and tried and it was either lose all the weight with strength or get as strong as possible and keep my fat under control. so i finally said f it and decided to start powerlifting. i'm never going to compete or ever planned on being a body builder. so i decided to go for the strength factor. you may think it's sucks being big, but you always have the intimidation factor, plus one thing i've seen is that your body always goes back to what it's intended for. i've seen guys ripped out of there minds, they stopped juicin and going to the gym and now they are skinny little bastards. so in my opinion LIFT LIFT LIFT. get strong, strong as possible, nothing better than squatting or deadlifting so much that the guys in the gym doing 20 sets of curls look at you like you're a freak of nature.


oh yea, one more thing, ever see a profession bber at the end of his bulk?

 

[Yanick]

honestly i'm a big guy too, and i've come to the realization i will never look like the guys you see in the professional pictures, i'll never have 6 pack abs and probably never come close to 10% bf. i tried and tried and it was either lose all the weight with strength or get as strong as possible and keep my fat under control. so i finally said f it and decided to start powerlifting. i'm never going to compete or ever planned on being a body builder. so i decided to go for the strength factor. you may think it's sucks being big, but you always have the intimidation factor, plus one thing i've seen is that your body always goes back to what it's intended for. i've seen guys ripped out of there minds, they stopped juicin and going to the gym and now they are skinny little bastards. so in my opinion LIFT LIFT LIFT. get strong, strong as possible, nothing better than squatting or deadlifting so much that the guys in the gym doing 20 sets of curls look at you like you're a freak of nature.


oh yea, one more thing, ever see a profession bber at the end of his bulk?

hell yea bro. i was/am in almost the exact same situation as you. i pretty much said "fuck the six pack shit, i'm not killing myself for vanity." i'm naturally fat, and for me to get down to six pack i would be miserably dieting and miserably maintaining that condition for nothing. i realized i was bb'ing for the girls and thats not a good reason at all. strength sports are where its at, i might be fat, but come train with me and i'll fuckin bury you. i can even do more pull ups and run faster than most of my friends who are naturally athletic with low bf and all.

 

[Tough Old Man]

hell yea bro. i was/am in almost the exact same situation as you. i pretty much said "fuck the six pack shit, i'm not killing myself for vanity." i'm naturally fat, and for me to get down to six pack i would be miserably dieting and miserably maintaining that condition for nothing. i realized i was bb'ing for the girls and thats not a good reason at all. strength sports are where its at, i might be fat, but come train with me and i'll fuckin bury you. i can even do more pull ups and run faster than most of my friends who are naturally athletic with low bf and all.

I'm sorry but I disagree. you don't have to kill yourself to get down in B/F. I've been at it for over 7 months now and I'm going to continue to cut until i'm under 10%. I look better now then when I was all bulked up holding about 34% B/f then. You couldn'tr catch me last yr walking around without a shirt. Now it doesn't bother me for the first time in YEARS. You diet hard enough and you can and will show ab muscles.

 

[Yanick]

I'm sorry but I disagree. you don't have to kill yourself to get down in B/F. I've been at it for over 7 months now and I'm going to continue to cut until i'm under 10%. I look better now then when I was all bulked up holding about 34% B/f then. You couldn'tr catch me last yr walking around without a shirt. Now it doesn't bother me for the first time in YEARS. You diet hard enough and you can and will show ab muscles.

but thats my point. i don't want to put that much work into something that is so insignificant. i'm not obese or anything, i just have a bit of a spare tire and "fat" is not the first thing people think of when they see me so i'm good to go.

 

[danilolopez]

reasonable goals

i believe each has to be reasonable goals and look for them, i wouldnt set for myself a goal of 5% bodyfat ever, or goal of having abs, but a reasonable bodyfat %, why not, 10% would be great if i could achieve it, i am not able to walk around shirtless, not a thing i need but would like to be able to do it on a beach, never did it, i was obese from age 6 to 25

however i believe i have some strength left and am a cardio enthusiast the only thing i am not able to do well is running, i am too heavy or i simply dont know how to do it properly, i can run on a treadmill for about 3 miles only, is not that i get tired, but my legs just cant, however on an ellyptical machine, stairclimbermachine or a spinning class (on a bike) i am as athletic as anybody, and can last and sweat at high intensity periods, i dont have a problem with cardio or lifting, i know as an endomorph my metabolism is slow, and to lose weight is a huge task but not impossible, i also think that for once, people dont see a fat guy when they see me, but i believe they dont see a fit athletic guy either and i want to be that, cause i know i can

 

[Tough Old Man]

And your right you can. Really I'm more uncomfortable when bulking. I hate the bloated feeling all the time and then as soon as I look down there's the belly popping out. Every fucking day I bulk, i feel like it was turkey day

i believe each has to be reasonable goals and look for them, i wouldnt set for myself a goal of 5% bodyfat ever, or goal of having abs, but a reasonable bodyfat %, why not, 10% would be great if i could achieve it, i am not able to walk around shirtless, not a thing i need but would like to be able to do it on a beach, never did it, i was obese from age 6 to 25

however i believe i have some strength left and am a cardio enthusiast the only thing i am not able to do well is running, i am too heavy or i simply dont know how to do it properly, i can run on a treadmill for about 3 miles only, is not that i get tired, but my legs just cant, however on an ellyptical machine, stairclimbermachine or a spinning class (on a bike) i am as athletic as anybody, and can last and sweat at high intensity periods, i dont have a problem with cardio or lifting, i know as an endomorph my metabolism is slow, and to lose weight is a huge task but not impossible, i also think that for once, people dont see a fat guy when they see me, but i believe they dont see a fit athletic guy either and i want to be that, cause i know i can

 

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Originally Posted by guyfromkop
honestly i'm a big guy too, and i've come to the realization i will never look like the guys you see in the professional pictures, i'll never have 6 pack abs and probably never come close to 10% bf. i tried and tried and it was either lose all the weight with strength or get as strong as possible and keep my fat under control. so i finally said f it and decided to start powerlifting. i'm never going to compete or ever planned on being a body builder. so i decided to go for the strength factor. you may think it's sucks being big, but you always have the intimidation factor, plus one thing i've seen is that your body always goes back to what it's intended for. i've seen guys ripped out of there minds, they stopped juicin and going to the gym and now they are skinny little bastards. so in my opinion LIFT LIFT LIFT. get strong, strong as possible, nothing better than squatting or deadlifting so much that the guys in the gym doing 20 sets of curls look at you like you're a freak of nature.





Why is lifting all about intimadation to most people??? I always thought the goal of exercise was improving ones self. IF you are lifting to scare people and are not a porfesional fighter you need therapy not a gym membership. as far as your bf issues sounds to me like you want your cake and eat it to. since you still have a while to live at least 50 years I would say get skinny then when you get the thinness you think is "impossible" then go back to the the weights your body doesn't know impossible only your brain.

lastly The guy doin 20 sets of curls isn't below you he just favors endurance over power. So get off his @ss

 

[guyfromkop]

Quote:
Originally Posted by guyfromkop
honestly i'm a big guy too, and i've come to the realization i will never look like the guys you see in the professional pictures, i'll never have 6 pack abs and probably never come close to 10% bf. i tried and tried and it was either lose all the weight with strength or get as strong as possible and keep my fat under control. so i finally said f it and decided to start powerlifting. i'm never going to compete or ever planned on being a body builder. so i decided to go for the strength factor. you may think it's sucks being big, but you always have the intimidation factor, plus one thing i've seen is that your body always goes back to what it's intended for. i've seen guys ripped out of there minds, they stopped juicin and going to the gym and now they are skinny little bastards. so in my opinion LIFT LIFT LIFT. get strong, strong as possible, nothing better than squatting or deadlifting so much that the guys in the gym doing 20 sets of curls look at you like you're a freak of nature.





Why is lifting all about intimadation to most people??? I always thought the goal of exercise was improving ones self. IF you are lifting to scare people and are not a porfesional fighter you need therapy not a gym membership. as far as your bf issues sounds to me like you want your cake and eat it to. since you still have a while to live at least 50 years I would say get skinny then when you get the thinness you think is "impossible" then go back to the the weights your body doesn't know impossible only your brain.

lastly The guy doin 20 sets of curls isn't below you he just favors endurance over power. So get off his @ss

why do you lift? to make yourself look good? so if everyone was blind would it matter if you lifted weights? no, so therefore you lift to intimidate people, it all comes down to basic instict of the strong survive. it's like showing your feathers to the female bird. it's deep rooted in all of us, we are animals deep down inside and there is nothing you can do about it. no matter who says they dont care what other people think is lying to themselves, some just do it in more moderation than others. you do what you think will make yourself LOOK better. i know lots of guys that go to the gym and to be completely honest most, and i'm not saying all here, of the ones that are so low in bodyfat have some major self esteem issue.

and life is about enjoying one self, i enjoy being able to eat what i want in moderation, i'm not saying i eat a chocolate cake every night, but i dont want to have to go run on the treadmill for 45 min just because i ate a cookie.

the most important thing about any activity, bodybuilding, powerlifting or life in general, is your MENTAL STATUS. if you're not happy with yourself and dreading everyday because you can eat this and you cant eat that then you are not happy with yourself and life in general. so that means you're not mentally right and not being mentally right means you will not progress and no progressing means spinning your wheels at the gym. who wants to bench the same weight for the rest of your life? because if you do there is no reason for you to be in the gym in the first place.

to the guys who can eat like ish and have six pack abs i wish i had your genes and to the guys who are naturally fat and have gotten yourself a six pack, more power to you because i sure as hell dont have the will power to do it. but it all comes down to one thing, you should ENJOY going to the gym and every part of your life. there is nothing worse than going to the gym and not wanting to be there then you dont use your time to the fullest potential. you should walk out of the gym with a smile on your face because you know you just had one hell of a good workout. so in my opinion, DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. if you're fat then your fat, if you're skinny then you're skinny. not that large percentage of people can have six packs and keep them all year long. takes A LOT of work for most. find yourself a nice place where you are happy all around and stay there.


and about your comment about doing 20 sets of curls, the only thing i have to say about that is 20 sets of curls = overtraining = no growth = no progress = complete WASTE of time. try laying off the curls and doing heavy back exercises and tell me how much your arms grow.


oh yea, one last thing, 4 out of 5 girls prefer a guy with a little meat on them. and no matter which way you look at it, it all comes down to the females in the end.

 

[Tough Old Man]

Where is this thread going. All this guy wanted was a little info. I have him covered by personal email. I'll take this 29 yr old and turn him into the Incredible Hulk if he listens to me.
Tough

 

[kicka19]

i hate this thread

 

[TheCurse]

well then dont post in it brain trust.

 

[Tough Old Man]

To Mr. The Curse. To whom r u talking too?

well then dont post in it brain trust.

 

[Premiere]

Tough, he was talking about killa19.

As far as the argument, me being a girl, i HATE to see a guy that is all bones!! I have a friend who dates this guy who is SO skinny i'm talking 110-115!! And one day she told me his muscles were SO big. Well a few days later he gets a tattoo on his arm and comes to school with his sleeve rolled up. His arms were SO small i could wrap my hand around it and make my index and thumb finger touch and still have room! i'm like ewwww! and his legs, god lets not get started on that. I like a guy thats about 185-200 but majority of it muscle, he has got to have meat on his bones, seriously, and a hell of a lot of it.

I also admire guys who are strong (power lifters and such) to me it's one or the other i will take, Strength attracts me too. So i think both sides when in this case, in all in the preference of the person....if you want to be in a beauty pageant then lift for the ladies, if you want to be the strongest guy in school then lift for that. It's a win win situation, both get girls, both are pretty strong (one stronger than the other but still pretty strong) why is this even an argument. I say if you're happy with the way you look and/or the strength you have then keep doing you.

 

[BulkMeUp]

i believe each has to be reasonable goals and look for them,

I think this is the most important point. Each has to set their own goals and it all depends on personal intrest. Several friends have aksed me about BB info. I have given them info and this stie. But you think even one of them bothered to sign up and learn more?

I agree with both sides of the argument. Tough is right, you dont have to kill yourself to get to a low bf. But it does take a certain amount of dedication and diligence to get there. This process may be easier for some than others, but it is not impossible. It is a question of how much a person is willing to work towards it.

A reasonable goal is always fine, but each has is own idea of reasonable. So Yanick is right as well, as he feels working towards a low bf is not for him. Just as not every one is intrested in looking skinny ripped or to step on stage.

IMO, In the end it all comes down to how you feel about yourself. Can you look at yourself in the mirror and honestly say that you are happy with yourself? If yes, then you have reached your goal. Thats all that matters. The rest of the world dosent matter.

 

[Yanick]

yes, its all about what you want for yourself not what you want to be for other people.

each of us has to look inside ourselves and ask "why am i doing what i am doing?"

if the answer to that question is based on what others think of you, ie i want big arms to pick up chicks on the beach, then you need to change something. i do what i do for myself, sure i sort of feel bad when my buddy gets lots of attention from girls ont he beach, but in the end i say fuck it, this kid doesn't work half as hard as me in the gym or in the kitchen and give him 10 years and he'll probably be out of shape and not even thinking of lifting, where as because i do what i do for myself i'll be with it for the rest of my life if i can.

 

[danilolopez]

from the origin of the thread

hello its me, the one that made u start all this discussions, i think everybody should do what he reasonable thinks he can achieve, eventough i was obese for more than 20 yrs i knew i could lose the weight, but i was trapped in routine, family, laziness, school commitments that i didnt know how to do it, or when to do it, but i was SURE that one day i will finally conquer that cause that goal was on my mind since i was a child, i did suffer a lot being obese, i know that most people say, well theres people for everybody, meaning even obese guys can have girlfriends and all, not in my case, the low self esteem combined with how you look is disastrous and i wasnt able to have a relationship until i lost the weight, thats simple

and after that, as vain as it sounds i discovered a whole new world of possibilities, on this new goal of being lean, mostly i will do it for myself and because i believe i can, this time is not for anybody, cause i dont think theres much difference between me now and me "lean" in terms of relationships, work or healthier life, i am happy the way i am now, but if i know i can get better, why dont give myself a chance, i dont think this new step is as huge as the one i did at 25, this might be a smaller step but could be even harder to get and more difficult to mantain but i am willing to try

 

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GUYFROMKOP: thanks for the hasty generilzation I weight 195 pounds and 5'10" and have 5% body fat. I am a fully sponsored Down Hill mountian bike racer that finished 3rd in my class for the season. as far as strength I am fine tuned racing machine. There is no animal instinc to impress people that makes me lift its purely athletic and personal, I could be bigger alot bigger but then my size starts messing with weight ratio's on my bike and my physical range of movement. 20 reps is by know means over training if your wieght is low and you are an endurance athlete trainning your body to go incredible distances as fast as possible. As a profesional in the field of PT/PE it piss's me off to know end when people think that just because some one isn't doing what you are doing(i.e. read in mens health) that they are wrong and wasting there time. When you honeslty don't know jack about what are doing you are just regurgitating something you think you understand cuz read it in a magazine and when someone asks you why you are doing it you mindless repeat the artical from memorization, so therfore you are the oracle of exercise phisiciology, Kinesiology, and biomechanics. Plus you have the ability to know nothing about person or what they are trainning for or any physcial injuries they might have but can obvioulsy tell they are doing it wong and wasting there time.

 

[guyfromkop]

GUYFROMKOP: thanks for the hasty generilzation I weight 195 pounds and 5'10" and have 5% body fat. I am a fully sponsored Down Hill mountian bike racer that finished 3rd in my class for the season. as far as strength I am fine tuned racing machine. There is no animal instinc to impress people that makes me lift its purely athletic and personal, I could be bigger alot bigger but then my size starts messing with weight ratio's on my bike and my physical range of movement. 20 reps is by know means over training if your wieght is low and you are an endurance athlete trainning your body to go incredible distances as fast as possible. As a profesional in the field of PT/PE it piss's me off to know end when people think that just because some one isn't doing what you are doing(i.e. read in mens health) that they are wrong and wasting there time. When you honeslty don't know jack about what are doing you are just regurgitating something you think you understand cuz read it in a magazine and when someone asks you why you are doing it you mindless repeat the artical from memorization, so therfore you are the oracle of exercise phisiciology, Kinesiology, and biomechanics. Plus you have the ability to know nothing about person or what they are trainning for or any physcial injuries they might have but can obvioulsy tell they are doing it wong and wasting there time.

5% is pretty low, are you going to be the next mr olympia?

and you're telling me you dont or ever have shown off your "body" to impress girls? if not then you are a flat out liar

oh and i dont read men's health, but obviously you do if you know what's in it

 

[TheCurse]

i think dani was hoping for advice here, not for people to come into the thread and start bitching at each other and comparing dicks.

lets try and be constructive.

 

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5% is pretty low, are you going to be the next mr olympia?

and you're telling me you dont or ever have shown off your "body" to impress girls? if not then you are a flat out liar

oh and i dont read men's health, but obviously you do if you know what's in it

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