Trump proposes massive one time tax on the rich

[LAM]

Public education is shit and a bottomless pit.

so de-funding it instead of trying to improve it will make things better? great logic or lack there of....

neo-liberalism and conservative Presidents have fucked up the US economy and you just can't handle the truth can you, so you (conservatives) blame the poor...conservatism got us into this mess and it surely isn't going to "fix" anything as it has caused nothing except problems since day 1. good luck re-writing history, conservative economic policy's suck and all the data supports that statement and our current economy is living proof of this...

 

[irish_2003]

You honestly think the best way to make our pathetic students smarter and more competitive globally is to take funding away from education?

yes......the plan is to actually have more tax money shifted from public to private in the way of school vouchers.....it's working in Detroit and DC

This Just In: Vouchers Work | Hoover Institution

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[LAM]

You got a deadbeat class dependent on government handouts growing by the day and you want the rich and corporations to foot their ever-growing bill. Great economics plan.

supply-side economics works so great a good portion of Wallmart employees rely on food stamps and other public assistance to get by...great wages the Walton's are paying hugh?


Companies With the Highest Revenue - Tracked.com

 

[irish_2003]

supply-side economics works so great a good portion of Wallmart employees rely on food stamps and other public assistance to get by...great wages the Walton's are paying hugh?


Companies With the Highest Revenue - Tracked.com

that's misleading....it's because of equal opportunity employer that a large number of walmart employees are minorities and we all know how minorities love their gov't handouts......so they're not "relying" on food stamps....they feel they're "entitled" to them.......

 

[LAM]

that's misleading....it's because of equal opportunity employer that a large number of walmart employees are minorities and we all know how minorities love their gov't handouts......so they're not "relying" on food stamps....they feel they're "entitled" to them.......

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the 3 year average increase in worker pay comes out to $1.07. and why 31 states have filed suites against Wallmart for unfair employee practices.

the average full-time Wallmart employee makes $14,000 a year...

the US has the highest poverty rate in any industrialized country and also has the greatest divide in income, surely no direct correlation there....

yes, blame the poor people for not making enough wages to support themselves in an environment where the cost of everything increases annually...

 

[phosphor]

If walmart actually paid a wage, their wouldn't be 15 million walmarts that everyone HAS to buy junk from - and we all need chinese shit flooding our houses and losers with no direction to fill the stockboy/cashier spots. The dirty little secret is really no secret at all I guess - many of the people that work there really have no ambition in life and are happy to keep on milking the government to get the freebies and then bitch/moan about not getting a fair shake.

I don't like Walmart either, not because of low wages - you know exactly what your getting when your hired in. Don't like it? Move on. If they don't get the people, they will entice with higher wages. I hate how they clutter my house with shit chinese garbage that the grandparents keep buying year after year - filling their little chinese bellies, emptying our wallets. If we made a 1/4 of the shit, we would have more jobs (albeit higher priced products) and less crappy product.

Oh, and btw, fuck the poor. They have been wallowing in their misery long enough and getting the free rides for decades. Time to ween them off the government tit. If they don't like it? Too godamn bad. They should do something with themselves and pay their fair share of taxes like I have to. Deadbeats are the scourge and this country needs a good cleansing.

 

[phosphor]

Btw, I make it a point NOT to shop there because of their poor business practices. Besides, their produce sucks.

 

[min0 lee]

We don't have a Walmart in NYC.

 

[phosphor]

yes......the plan is to actually have more tax money shifted from public to private in the way of school vouchers.....it's working in Detroit and DC

This Just In: Vouchers Work | Hoover Institution

Test-Score 'Facts' Need Media Scrutiny

Im with the Dems on this one - I don't want those class-disrupting douchebag kids with the invisible parents to muck up my kid's schools. Besides, the dems need to keep the poor where they are so they can retain their voting base.

 

[phosphor]

We don't have a Walmart in NYC.

We have 5 or 6 in our small city. Rediculous.

 

[LAM]

Oh, and btw, fuck the poor. They have been wallowing in their misery long enough and getting the free rides for decades. Time to ween them off the government tit. If they don't like it? Too godamn bad. They should do something with themselves and pay their fair share of taxes like I have to. Deadbeats are the scourge and this country needs a good cleansing.

does being a conservative come with mandatory feedings of lead and other heavy metals?

poor people can not get credit there fore they do not create revolving debt or any interest bearing debts, the "middle class" does...

TARP was to provide monies to banks so they can keep giving credit out to the middle class so they can keep consuming. US economy is based 70% of consumption.

retail spending is decreasing because the middle class has run out of credit, recent changes in bankruptcy laws is keeping consumer credit down.

typical conservative "ideology" is to evade the real issue of stagnant wages and income inequality and put the blame on the poor, pathetic....

 

[irish_2003]

i love how people choose where they work and then complain about it......kinda like the disrespectful cashier at mcdonalds.....it's not my f'n fault they work there....i can't get a job at mcdonalds because i'm a straight white male.......i'm discriminated against because of my superiority......addition by subtraction is what liberals want.....poor are poor because they choose to be poor......i've made mistakes that i admit to that made me poor....it's the fact that i've done something about those mistakes that makes me better!


and "funny money" doesn't work in the long run.....you can't spend on credit and not pay it back....it catches up to you....we're finding out as consumers about the buy everything on credit mentality brought about during clinton's years

 

[LAM]

i love how people choose where they work and then complain about it.....

yes, American's in 2011 have so many options as to where they can work the unemployment rate is still 9% and the underemployment rate is 18%+

U.S. Underemployment Steady at 18.4% in July

 

[irish_2003]

yes, American's in 2011 have so many options as to where they can work the unemployment rate is still 9% and the underemployment rate is 18%+

U.S. Underemployment Steady at 18.4% in July

the easiest fix to the economy and employment is to do whatever it takes to reduce gas back to $2 or less a gallon......that frees up money for everything....companies to ship more, produce more, hire more, get more sales, and the average american will spend more because that's what we do is spend (even when we don't have it unfortunately "funny money")

 

[LAM]

the easiest fix to the economy and employment is to do whatever it takes to reduce gas back to $2 or less a gallon......that frees up money for everything....companies to ship more, produce more, hire more, get more sales, and the average american will spend more because that's what we do is spend (even when we don't have it unfortunately "funny money")

you want gas at $2 tell the speculators on Wallstreet

Blame High Oil Prices on Speculators and Bernanke
Blame High Oil Prices on Speculators and Bernanke - BusinessWeek

it is mainly the lack of wage increases in the past 30 years that got us into this mess or at least the consumer debt problem with the middle class. wages can not remain stagnant for the majority while the costs of all goods and services increases annually, common sense tells you this...tax rates are at their lowest since the 1950's but people still can't keep up with expenses

 

[Zaphod]

yes......the plan is to actually have more tax money shifted from public to private in the way of school vouchers.....it's working in Detroit and DC

This Just In: Vouchers Work | Hoover Institution

Test-Score 'Facts' Need Media Scrutiny

It isn't working in Detroit. Probably not in DC, either.

 

[irish_2003]

It isn't working in Detroit. Probably not in DC, either.

you can't force kids to show up to school.....but for those who do it IS working......i think i'm mistaken about detroit....i know DC is doing well, i can't remember the other metro area that's doing it that's been well documented on it...i thought it was detroit sorry

 

[soxmuscle]

I envy you, LAM. Smart man.

 

[Dale Mabry]

yes......the plan is to actually have more tax money shifted from public to private in the way of school vouchers.....it's working in Detroit and DC

This Just In: Vouchers Work | Hoover Institution

Test-Score 'Facts' Need Media Scrutiny

So, you think there is enough money in the public coffers to pay for every single student in the U.S. to go to private school? Despite there being nowhere near enough charter/private schools to take them all, it would cost way too much. I do like that students do better in these situations, but they do so because of the small class sizes. These schools are going to become overcrowded and suffer the same fate as public school if every student in the US goes to them. If the infrastructure was there I would think this is a great idea, but it's not.

 

[irish_2003]

So, you think there is enough money in the public coffers to pay for every single student in the U.S. to go to private school? Despite there being nowhere near enough charter/private schools to take them all, it would cost way too much. I do like that students do better in these situations, but they do so because of the small class sizes. These schools are going to become overcrowded and suffer the same fate as public school if every student in the US goes to them. If the infrastructure was there I would think this is a great idea, but it's not.

there won't be "total" privatization.....there will be both public and private, but let's be real.....public education is draining the taxpayers and not getting the desired results......remember i'm in wisconsin on the frontlines of this union thuggery that's going on......and also these vouchers should be in the form of scholarships, which means kids need to start stepping up to the plate (and some good parenting needs to be done).....you can give to tools to succeed, but you can't permanently remove the ghetto or trailer park mentality....

 

[Dale Mabry]

there won't be "total" privatization.....there will be both public and private, but let's be real.....public education is draining the taxpayers and not getting the desired results......remember i'm in wisconsin on the frontlines of this union thuggery that's going on......and also these vouchers should be in the form of scholarships, which means kids need to start stepping up to the plate (and some good parenting needs to be done).....you can give to tools to succeed, but you can't permanently remove the ghetto or trailer park mentality....

I could get behind this, but they would have to raise taxes to do it.

 

[irish_2003]

I could get behind this, but they would have to raise taxes to do it.

no just reform tax waste pork......there's so much overlapping still......

 

[min0 lee]

I was born poor then my father made some money on 3 businesses he had. We had a color TV while most of my friends still had black and white TV.
Had all the toys you can imagine, then my parents had a nasty separation and we became poor and went to bed without food.

I feel bad for some of the poor, those who were screwed in life.

Now I am doing well and I piss on the poor.


Just kidding, we help out a lot of troubled kids. Feed them, take them to the movies....

 

[maniclion]

Oh, and btw, fuck the poor. They have been wallowing in their misery long enough and getting the free rides for decades. Time to ween them off the government tit. If they don't like it? Too godamn bad. They should do something with themselves and pay their fair share of taxes like I have to. Deadbeats are the scourge and this country needs a good cleansing.

Fuck the poor and cut education?

Do you know how ridiculous you sound....how the fuck can the poor get themselves out of their hole if they don't have the basic tools to do it....

How are the deadbeats working no where jobs at Walmart going to find better jobs not selling Chinese garbage if they can't get a decent education? You would think that with all that money the Wal-Marts of this nation save by getting the ultra-cheap crap from China and marking it up to Made in America prices they could raise some wages for their own "Associates"

 

[LAM]

you can't force kids to show up to school.....but for those who do it IS working......i think i'm mistaken about detroit....i know DC is doing well, i can't remember the other metro area that's doing it that's been well documented on it...i thought it was detroit sorry

you sure can't and it doesn't help when the "parent" is only 16-18 years older than the child and they themselves don't have a complete education. it's a viscous cycle that we have to find a way to break somehow.

 

[phosphor]

does being a conservative come with mandatory feedings of lead and other heavy metals?

poor people can not get credit there fore they do not create revolving debt or any interest bearing debts, the "middle class" does...

TARP was to provide monies to banks so they can keep giving credit out to the middle class so they can keep consuming. US economy is based 70% of consumption.

retail spending is decreasing because the middle class has run out of credit, recent changes in bankruptcy laws is keeping consumer credit down.

typical conservative "ideology" is to evade the real issue of stagnant wages and income inequality and put the blame on the poor, pathetic....

So, now your putting words in my mouth. I do not believe I said I was for TARP - the equivalent of welfare for shitbag companies that took the money and shit it away into their own white collar pockets. The same TARP where Obama would not allow the release of the records of where the money went - and when eventually released, was wholly known that a majority of the funds went to European banks. We can talk TARP all day buddy.

You expect people working at McDonalds and Walmart to have a LIVING wage. It doesn't happen and never has. Every job is not designed or WORTH to be a living wage - thats where people get.. get ready for it... 2 or 3 jobs to cover the expenses. Just like I did to get on my feet - or my brothers or some friends I know. God forbid people take initiative.

The poor, poor people are obviously exempt in your eyes - while you seem to ignore the fact that it is draining us dry - along with government mismanagement, shady dealings, etc. If you feel so strongly on the subject, put your money where your mouth is.

I take my heavy metals just like everyone else here, including you, liberal. Through my AAS made in.... CHINA!

 

[phosphor]

you sure can't and it doesn't help when the "parent" is only 16-18 years older than the child and they themselves don't have a complete education. it's a viscous cycle that we have to find a way to break somehow.

Sterilization. Works every time.

 

[troubador]

So, you think there is enough money in the public coffers to pay for every single student in the U.S. to go to private school? Despite there being nowhere near enough charter/private schools to take them all, it would cost way too much.

I went to a private school where tuition was less than what the average amount spent per public school student was. I received a much better education also. Unfortunately, the right gets labeled as uncaring whenever they want to cut spending on anything. The left goes on about how poor the U.S. students perform yet we are also one of the top spenders on public education. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the US not only spends more on education but that over time performance hasn't improved because of it. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how people can continue to make the argument that we need to increase education spending. We need to do something but I don't think it's a problem we can spend our way out of.

President to Call for Big New Ed. Spending.Here’s a Look at How that’s Worked in the Past | Cato @ Liberty

 

[LAM]

You expect people working at McDonalds and Walmart to have a LIVING wage. It doesn't happen and never has. Every job is not designed or WORTH to be a living wage - thats where people get.. get ready for it... 2 or 3 jobs to cover the expenses. Just like I did to get on my feet - or my brothers or some friends I know. God forbid people take initiative.

The poor, poor people are obviously exempt in your eyes - while you seem to ignore the fact that it is draining us dry - along with government mismanagement, shady dealings, etc. If you feel so strongly on the subject, put your money where your mouth is.

I take my heavy metals just like everyone else here, including you, liberal. Through my AAS made in.... CHINA!

lol @ anyone getting 2-3 jobs in the year 2011 have you seen the unemployment and underemployment numbers?..I also had 2 jobs to get myself ahead but that was 20 years ago when it was possible. you guys on the right always offer "solutions" that are not applicable in the REAL WORLD that we live in today...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141770/underemployment-steady-july.aspx

please show the data were the poor are running up the budget deficit...there is no INTEREST PAID on monies spent used on social protection programs, they are paid for unlike monies used to fund wars and tax cuts for the top 2% all of those monies are borrowed and we have to pay interest on those loans. that is where the majority of the 14T deficit has come from excluding the couple of T added under Obama..

The US has gone broke not paying for the poor but for spending money on the military budget so oil company's could get contracts to Iraqi oil fields and defense contractors can increase their stock prices....blaming the poor is the same old tired conservative rhetoric..

 

[oufinny]

lol @ anyone getting 2-3 jobs in the year 2011 have you seen the unemployment and underemployment numbers?..I also had 2 jobs to get myself ahead but that was 20 years ago when it was possible. you guys on the right always offer "solutions" that are not applicable in the REAL WORLD that we live in today...

U.S. Underemployment Steady at 18.4% in July

please show the data were the poor are running up the budget deficit...there is no INTEREST PAID on monies spent used on social protection programs, they are paid for unlike monies used to fund wars and tax cuts for the top 2% all of those monies are borrowed and we have to pay interest on those loans. that is where the majority of the 14T deficit has come from excluding the couple of T added under Obama..

The US has gone broke not paying for the poor but for spending money on the military budget so oil company's could get contracts to Iraqi oil fields and defense contractors can increase their stock prices....blaming the poor is the same old tired conservative rhetoric..

Yeah, a couple of Trillion in what, 2.5 half years. So he added over 25% to the already high 11.5 trillion dollar deficit when he came in (that could be a little off so lay off if I missed a few hundred billion). What is shocking is you don't find this repulsive at all, that much added by one man and his party, and you have the nerve to call everyone else wrong. Please, this problem is so deep rooted you can't find an end in sight.

I will say I firmly believe that Barry O, Harry Reid and a few choice Republicans need to get the fuck out of Washington. Until there are term limits, nothing will change. Until they take away the lifetime pension for being a congressman, nothing will change. Both parties are wrong right now by bitching instead of finding some way to solve this that does not hang someone out to dry in the process. LAM, your determination is honorable but I truly believe you substitute studies and what you read for simple logic on occasion. I don't need an economist to tell me Barry O blew the fucking deficit through the roof and is continuing to do so with no end in sight; I just need to know how to add.

A lot of really smart people who are very successful all agree, Barry O is a weak, ineffective President and we could have chosen better. Hopefully that changes in 2012.