Underground Labs Methyl 1 Test Gains

[simbh]

It is really funny because I was one of the first (at least on this board) to recommend using 4-AD with M1T and I remember everyone teling me it was not avised, now everyone says to use 4-AD with M1T.

I use 6-OXO, pretty high doses...the main reason is legality, of course now that M1T is illegal too I guess it does not matter.

Why did you use 6-oxo rob ? I mean , of course from a legal point of view but isn't it weak for m1t even at high dosage ? Plus , it must of cost you a little bundle of 6-oxo ? Don't you think this might be one of the reason why you lost a lot of your gains ?

 

[Du]

Yes , glad to hear you say that . Nolva would be the optimum choice , plus it would really be cheaper . You can get some here : www.inhousedrugstore.com
They will ship to the uk ... I bought some over there , I live in Canada and our customs are strick on that and still got it in no time without any problems.

There are better places to get it.

 

[simbh]

There are better places to get it.

Ya I know , but if he needed a source ... It's a good one , if you like it tabs too .

 

[APG]

Thanks, back to my question how much can I expect to gain? Is 400g C 350g protien sufficient also I am thinking about competing in the National Powerlifting competitions how long would I test positive for steroids for?


Thanks

 

[simbh]

Well , what is your weight in kilo grams ? I saw 14s but I don't know what that means actually . I'm on a 1-ad cycle . I started at around 175lbs and I ate about 4.5k each day with close to 40-40-20 everyday ... But m1t is not exactly the same ... Id say a good bet would be 10lbs of LBM (so more if you add the water weight and the small amount of fat you may gain) but thats highly hypothetic . I think the results change from person to person and of course diet is the biggest influence as well as a good pct to keep your gains.

 

[APG]

just under 90kg 14lbs. lbs to kg *2.2 (i think)

 

[APG]

sorry 14lbs to a stone

 

[Cold Iron]

There are better places to get it.

Agreed, that expensive. Whats another place besides CNW?

 

[Du]

Agreed, that expensive. Whats another place besides CNW?

Damn youre not good at this game. Look down, son.

 

[Cold Iron]

Damn youre not good at this game. Look down, son.

That guy's a f'ing rip-off though

 

[simbh]

That guy's a f'ing rip-off though

You still looking for Canadian sources for ph/ps ?

 

[bio-chem]

It is really funny because I was one of the first (at least on this board) to recommend using 4-AD with M1T and I remember everyone teling me it was not avised, now everyone says to use 4-AD with M1T.

I use 6-OXO, pretty high doses...the main reason is legality, of course now that M1T is illegal too I guess it does not matter.

so you feel 6-oxo is suffiecient for a m1t cycle if taken in high enough doses?

 

[Cold Iron]

You still looking for Canadian sources for ph/ps ?

Nah, just nolva.

 

[Du]

That guy's a f'ing rip-off though

 

[APG]

Methyl 1-testosterone, or 17aa-1-testosterone, is the methylated version of the steroid 1-testosterone. This structural modification makes steroids much more orally bioavailable by inhibiting breakdown in the liver. Although it has only been widely available for a short period of time, feedback on this compound indicates that it may be the most effective legal prohormone/steroid product on the market regardless of delivery method, and it is hands down the most effective oral product. On the other hand, most users report a wealth of side effects, and this compound is not to be taken lightly. It does not have a long history of use or a well-established safety profile, and proper precautions should be taken.


The profile of methyl 1-test is similar to that of 1-test ??? it does not convert to estrogen, and it is highly anabolic and moderately androgenic (less than 1-test). When compared to orally administered methyltestosterone, methyl 1-test is 910-1600% as anabolic and 100-220% as androgenic.


The side effects reported by users of methyl 1-test are many and individual reactions vary considerably. The most commonly reported side effect is lethargy, which can range from mild to severe. Other common side effects include increased blood pressure, bloating, joint pains, cramps, mild headaches, insomnia, aggressiveness, and irritability. Many users also find that methyl 1-test decreases appetite, which can be harmful or beneficial depending on one's goals. These side effects can be reduced by lowering dosage or taking smaller doses more frequently. Combining it with another androgen (such as 4-AD) may also help, but feedback on this is limited.

Can someone please explain why my estrogen levels will be high when 1-test ??? it does not convert to estrogen?

Thanks

 

[bio-chem]

its not on-cycle that your estrogen levels are going to be the problem. its afterwards. when you just get off your cycle, all external souces of hormones are removed and your body's natural hormone production has been down regulated. when your body senses this it tries to make up the slack with what ever it can, and estrogens are easiest to make in the body. also testoterone that does get made in the body has the ability to aromatize to estrogen. its your after cycle when you really have to worry about estrogen with m1t. your system is all out of balance and could cause problems for you. this is how it was explained to me

 

[APG]

cheers

 

[MTN WARRIOR]

No M1T does not aromatize into estrogen. No risk for estrogen induced gyno while on cycle.

But there is a risk of progesterone induced gyno. A small risk, but a risk nonetheless.

Further, there is a huge risk of gyno in any cycle - POST CYCLE. Your estro levels are high as hell, you need a strong anti estro.

Where could you get off saying 6-oxo is safe enough? Just because you slid by without nolva? I thought you were more educated in PH/PS/AAS usage than that.

Dude, I did more than slide by. First, I had fewer sides than normally reported. I do an aggressive PCT with 6OXO and an HGW product which includes Trib and Saw Palmetto. Also do ZMA. I am completely out of PCT with everything back to normal, normal loss of gains (1-2 lbs out of 12-14) and my balls are 100%, after only 3 weeks. My PCTs have ever only been 3 weeks as described above and worked perfectly every time. Understand the minimal progest gyno risk, and it is rare; and the high estro levels PC. If you do it right, it is no problem. Again, I have done multiple cycles with no problems. And I am 39 years old BTW, so its not like I have an abundance of test flowing through my system.

 

[Robboe]

It is really funny because I was one of the first (at least on this board) to recommend using 4-AD with M1T and I remember everyone teling me it was not avised, now everyone says to use 4-AD with M1T.

I use 6-OXO, pretty high doses...the main reason is legality, of course now that M1T is illegal too I guess it does not matter.

How's this approach been working out for you, Rob?

 

[DOMS]

Dude, I did more than slide by. First, I had fewer sides than normally reported. I do an aggressive PCT with 6OXO and an HGW product which includes Trib and Saw Palmetto. Also do ZMA. I am completely out of PCT with everything back to normal, normal loss of gains (1-2 lbs out of 12-14) and my balls are 100%, after only 3 weeks. My PCTs have ever only been 3 weeks as described above and worked perfectly every time. Understand the minimal progest gyno risk, and it is rare; and the high estro levels PC. If you do it right, it is no problem. Again, I have done multiple cycles with no problems. And I am 39 years old BTW, so its not like I have an abundance of test flowing through my system.

You experience with M1T mirrors my own.

 

[APG]

am expecting to receive my 60 5mg Underground Labs Methyl 1 Test tabs next week should I take milk thistle this week in preparation of starting the course on the 28th Feb? Also what dosages should I take, should I start off with a low dosage first week then build up? I am also looking to start boxing again should I wait until after my cycle?

Cheers

 

[APG]

Dermabolics E Form
Price: £21.99 Quantity:




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This is a highly bioavailable estrogen scavanger containing formestane.

This is an excellant product to use when taking highly aromotizable supplements (ie 4AD) or for men with naturally high levels of estrogen (common symptoms include water retention, high levels of body fat and swelling under the nipple.)

It can also be used as an alternative to 6OXO to restore your body's natural testosterone production post prohomone cycle.

As this product is absorbed transdermally, it offers much higher bioavailability than oral equivilants and so represents better value for money.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 5 Sprays
Servings per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving 100mg Formestane


Directions for Use:
4 to 6 sprays, once or twice per day.
Do not use this product for longer than 4 weeks continuously.
When applying DermaBolics products, hold the sprayer 2"-3" from a cupped hand.
Spray the pump into the hand then rub onto the skin.



Can any one comment on the effectiveness of this product?

 

[Stu]

Dermabolics E Form
Price: £21.99 Quantity:




September Promotion - Price reduction £24.99 £21.99

This is a highly bioavailable estrogen scavanger containing formestane.

This is an excellant product to use when taking highly aromotizable supplements (ie 4AD) or for men with naturally high levels of estrogen (common symptoms include water retention, high levels of body fat and swelling under the nipple.)

It can also be used as an alternative to 6OXO to restore your body's natural testosterone production post prohomone cycle.

As this product is absorbed transdermally, it offers much higher bioavailability than oral equivilants and so represents better value for money.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 5 Sprays
Servings per Container: 30
Amount Per Serving 100mg Formestane


Directions for Use:
4 to 6 sprays, once or twice per day.
Do not use this product for longer than 4 weeks continuously.
When applying DermaBolics products, hold the sprayer 2"-3" from a cupped hand.
Spray the pump into the hand then rub onto the skin.



Can any one comment on the effectiveness of this product?

Its very similar to 6-oxo but its a transdermal AI rather than an oral