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Veto of guns-in-bars bill may not stick

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House sponsor confident he has votes to override

By Colby Sledge
THE TENNESSEAN


Gov. Phil Bredesen vetoed a bill Thursday that would have allowed handgun carry permit holders to take their weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol, sending a message that may prove only symbolic.

Bredesen delivered the veto before an assembled group of law enforcement officers, saying that he opposed the bill while supporting Second Amendment rights.

"Americans have also understood for more than two centuries that there are sensible rules to be applied to the exercise of those rights," Bredesen said. "I believe this bill crosses that line."

The veto is the sixth of Bredesen's tenure. He has never been overridden.

Nashville attorney John Harris, executive director of the Tennessee Firearms Association, said Bredesen's veto was "futile" in the face of lawmakers' previous support.

"It just demonstrates an amazing amount of arrogance for him to think he can veto this," Harris said.

Bredesen said the majority of letters and calls he had received were from supporters of the bill, but added that he didn't think the volume of messages reflected most Tennesseans' opinions.

"This is an issue in which a relatively small proportion of people ??? consider it a very important thing," Bredesen said. "A relatively large number of people think that it's a crazy thing, but that it doesn't rise to the level of writing the governor about it."

Supporters of the bill say it will affect only the 218,000 handgun carry permit holders in the state, and could deter criminals carrying guns illegally from shooting someone in a restaurant.

Not so, said Metro Police Chief Ronal Serpas, who said he worries about additional bystander injuries in shootings if more guns were involved.

"When you actually investigate these cases, someone else wasn't going to make a difference," Serpas said. "These things happen in the blink of an eye."

Restaurant owners cheered Bredesen's veto. Boscos co-owner Andrew Feinstone put signs up this month banning handguns in his three Tennessee restaurants, including in Hillsboro Village, in anticipation of the bill becoming law.

"I think it's great that the governor vetoed it, and hopefully it doesn't get overridden," Feinstone said.

"I don't have anything against guns. I'm a hunter myself, but guns and alcohol ??? not a great combination."

The state currently prohibits anyone from drinking alcohol while carrying a gun in a restaurant. Opponents of the bill say it would be difficult for restaurant owners to determine who had a gun before serving alcohol.

Override vote sought

Bredesen issued the veto shortly after lawmakers adjourned for the week, saying they would consider their actions before reconvening.

"I'd hope they would talk to some of their local law enforcement officers," Bredesen said. "It's easy to get caught in the pressure cooker up here."

Collierville Republican Rep. Curry Todd, who sponsored the bill, said he intends to call for a veto override, which could come as early as next week.

To override the veto, the House will need 50 votes of its 99 members before sending it to the Senate. There, 17 of 33 members would have to approve the override. The House passed the most recent version of the bill 66-23. The Senate passed the bill 24-7.

"I don't think it will be an intense fight at all," Todd said. "We'll have the 50 votes easily."

Dickson Democrat Sen. Doug Jackson, who sponsored the bill in the Senate, said he would be slower to decide if he would support a veto override of his party's governor.

"I respect the man immensely, I respect his office, and I'm going to thoughtfully listen to what he had to say," Jackson said. "I hope he sat down and listened to the legislative debate."

A similar bill allowing handguns in local and state parks is headed to Bredesen's desk after passing in the House this week. Bredesen said he would review the legislation before making a decision.
 
This is what caught my attention.

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Gov. Phil Bredesen, surrounded by law enforcement members from across the state, vetoes the bill that would have allowed handgun permit holders to take their weapons into establishments that serve alcohol. MARK HUMPHREY / ASSOCIATED PRESS
 
This is what caught my attention.

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Gov. Phil Bredesen, surrounded by law enforcement members from across the state, vetoes the bill that would have allowed handgun permit holders to take their weapons into establishments that serve alcohol. MARK HUMPHREY / ASSOCIATED PRESS

What SHOULD catch your attention is that all those cops are high ranking officers seeking to further their political careers. Ask 100 beat cops how gun control works and you'll get 100 officers telling you it protects criminals. ;)
 
A better law would be restricting Carry if you plan on imbibing otherwise you're ok to carry anywhere. I don't see why a designated driver can't also be the designated hero if some lunatic decided to shoot up The Blue Oyster Club.....
 
What SHOULD catch your attention is that all those cops are high ranking officers seeking to further their political careers. Ask 100 beat cops how gun control works and you'll get 100 officers telling you it protects criminals. ;)

Sorry but not all agree, and I worked with DEA, Customs, State Dept and Police.....it's not 100%.
 
A better law would be restricting Carry if you plan on imbibing otherwise you're ok to carry anywhere. I don't see why a designated driver can't also be the designated hero if some lunatic decided to shoot up The Blue Oyster Club.....


true story.
 
thats bullshit. who here really thinks that it is wrong for an individual who has gone through the steps needed for a CCW to not be able to carry in a red robin?
 
thats bullshit. who here really thinks that it is wrong for an individual who has gone through the steps needed for a CCW to not be able to carry in a red robin?

I have no problems with restaurants but I have been and seen to many bar fights where knifes were used.
 
I have no problems with restaurants but I have been and seen to many bar fights where knifes were used.

thats just it, this is not well thought out. a restaurant would qualify in this law

someone pulls a knife on me, regardless of location, and i want a gun.
 
House sponsor confident he has votes to override

By Colby Sledge
THE TENNESSEAN


"Americans have also understood for more than two centuries that there are sensible rules to be applied to the exercise of those rights," Bredesen said. "I believe this bill crosses that line."

Let's take a look at the actual roots of those "sensible" rules:

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I have no problems with restaurants but I have been and seen to many bar fights where knifes were used.
tell me about it...
I saw
 
LOL at carrying a gun into a bar. Seriously. If you need to bring a gun into a bar, I dunno, maybe go somewhere else where a gun isn't necessary?

Effing moronic.
 
LOL at carrying a gun into a bar. Seriously. If you need to bring a gun into a bar, I dunno, maybe go somewhere else where a gun isn't necessary?

So if I want to have dinner in restaurant with my GF that serves alcohol, and I am drinking soda, I should be unable to protect myself in this establashement?

Effing moronic.

Not everyone would agree, and when the good guys leave their guns outside (because that's the law and they are law abiding) and the bad guys/nuts don't because (drum roll) they don't follow laws, you get this:

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So if I want to have dinner in restaurant with my GF that serves alcohol, and I am drinking soda, I should be unable to protect myself in this establashement?

If you feel the need to "protect yourself" (give me a break) in a restaurant, you're visiting the wrong restaurants.
 
If you feel the need to "protect yourself" (give me a break) in a restaurant, you're visiting the wrong restaurants.

You never know when one of the employee's disturbed ex-husbands will walk in and start blasting away at everyone.


Look at my situation, I was at school, math class, second floor when a Teacher's recently divorced husband shot her and himself right below our window. Same school we were at lunch and a kid came in with a gun, shot our principal in the back and then pointed it into the crowded lunchroom but luckily it jammed.
 
If you feel the need to "protect yourself" (give me a break) in a restaurant, you're visiting the wrong restaurants.

So the place she went to eat with her mother and father was a biker bar you think? It's really irrelevant and (as is usually the case with your type) you missed the point (and I suspect didn't watch the vid...) my Const. Rights have no bearing on what I "feel" and don't stop at the door of a restaurant that happens to serve booze, especially I am not drinking. We already know the data: crime drops where legally armed citizens numbers increased, and as stated, bad guys and nuts (amazingly as this may sound to some..) don't care about laws telling them they can't bring a gun, knife, etc in X location. Or:

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It's not rocket science son...:thumb:
 
Teacher's recently divorced husband shot her and himself right below our window. .

What, he didn't pay attention to the fact the school was a " gun free zone"? Say it aint so! :hiya:
 
the looks on the politicians faces angers me.

The smugness as she tells them about both her parents being shot in front of her?
 
The smugness as she tells them about both her parents being shot in front of her?

yea, that. its like he is sitting there with his mind made up not caring because he is going to do what he wants anyway
 
yea, that. its like he is sitting there with his mind made up not caring because he is going to do what he wants anyway

Like many people, they take that "don't confuse me with the facts" approach to the issue. Politicians being the worst of the bunch.
 
A bar is different.

If I don't trust a person driving while they drink, how can I trust them with a gun?
 
A bar is different.

If I don't trust a person driving while they drink, how can I trust them with a gun?

you mean how can you trust a law abiding citizen who has had to go through a criminal back ground check to carry a gun legally?

Answer: a lot easier than i can the guy who is a known criminal and is doing it anyway.
 
you mean how can you trust a law abiding citizen who has had to go through a criminal back ground check to carry a gun legally?

Answer: a lot easier than i can the guy who is a known criminal and is doing it anyway.

Yo....Alcohol can change people.
I don't care who it is, I don't trust anyone who has a few drinks with Both a car or a gun.
Would you trust someone on alcohol babysitting your kid?

Common sense dude.
 
A bar is different.

If I don't trust a person driving while they drink, how can I trust them with a gun?

And if the person is not drinking or is in an establishment that serves food (see my comments above for example...) and booze? Cars, guns, power tools, etc don't mix well together to be sure, but you have to be specific and realize simply banning guns from any establishment that sells booze makes little sense /fails the internal logic test. A law specific to drinking and guns, similar to driving, at least makes sense, and drinking and driving (using your example) also has specific legal limits, etc.
 
I've seen and been intoo many bar fights to know things can get out of hand real easy.

This we can both agree on, I was stabbed on my neck in a bar.
 
I've seen and been intoo many bar fights to know things can get out of hand real easy.

This we can both agree on, I was stabbed on my neck in a bar.

None of which has anything to do with the issue at hand....:hmmm:
 
A bar is different.

If I don't trust a person driving while they drink, how can I trust them with a gun?

What about me? I'm a non drinker who, by default, ends up being the designated driver. What, am I supposed to wait outside by the door?

You're looking at this from a VERY narrow viewpoint. As Will said, if you don't want a person to carry and gun while drinking acohol fine, make THAT illegal. But don't forbid EVERYBODY from even entering a bar with a gun. That solves nothing. Want proof? Count how many times you've heard stories of a guy getting drunk and losing a fight in a bar. He then goes OUTSIDE to get his gun, comes back and salughters half a dozen people. How would your law help in that situation??? :thinking:
 
None of which has anything to do with the issue at hand....:hmmm:

It doesn't?

I don't feel comfortable with anyone drinking alcohol in a club or bar carrying a gun, be it the Ex- Giant Plaxico (who shot himself) or a law abiding citizen.

Alcohol changes people, drunks become braver and stronger with alcohol in their system....now imagine how cock strong he gets with a gun.
 
Sorry guys, it just takes one drunken fool to ruin it for everyone.

You guys may be responsible but I can't say every person acts responsibly as you guys do.
 
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