Want to see an impressive teen bodybuilder?

[Alaric]

So many stupid comments. He has an amazing physique for a 19-20 year old, regardless of whether or not he took steroids. Steroids aren't the only reason why he's got a build like that, it must have tooken him a lot of hard work and discipline. Inspirational...

 

[chris mason]

Really??
So as a Doctor you recommend steroid use by teenagers?.......then you're the only one out there
I suggest you do some research on bone development in children and how steroids effect that growth.........and spend less time calling names...esp when you're wrong

What name did I call you?

Evidently your reading comprehension is poor because I specifically stated I DO NOT recommend steroid use.

Why don't you enlighten me about the effect of exogenous steroid use on the growth plates since I am so ignorant? Oh, and try to do it without cutting and pasting.

While you are at it why not research the average age at which the growth plates fuse. That might help you to not appear too foolish.

 

[GFR]

What name did I call you?

Evidently your reading comprehension is poor because I specifically stated I DO NOT recommend steroid use.

Why don't you enlighten me about the effect of exogenous steroid use on the growth plates since I am so ignorant? Oh, and try to do it without cutting and pasting.

While you are at it why not research the average age at which the growth plates fuse. That would be "on average" 18 in females and 21 in males........get a grip Chris your wrong That might help you to not appear too foolish.

You really have a insecurity issue.
First you call my statements ignorant.........."name calling"
Then you praise a teenager for using black market steroids..........and now you bring up growth plates (actually called "epiphyseal plates") after I point out you need to research it
Just sad, read up before you post about kids taking drugs.....

 

[ABLQ2]

the plates dont close off all the way untill age 21 or so. foreman knows what hes talking about. however, how do we know the kid is on roids?

 

[GFR]

the plates dont close off all the way untill age 21 or so. foreman knows what hes talking about. however, how do we know the kid is on roids?

um.................he is bigger and more cut than any body builder from 1950 and back.............counting Steve reeves .

 

[Mudge]

the plates dont close off all the way untill age 21 or so. foreman knows what hes talking about. however, how do we know the kid is on roids?

It depends on the person, I've heard as late as 25.

 

[Mudge]

um.................he is bigger and more cut than any body builder from 1950 and back.............counting Steve reeves

We know way more about nutrition now than we did then, but yeah he is probably juiced.

 

[chris mason]

You really have a insecurity issue.
First you call my statements ignorant.........."name calling"
Then you praise a teenager for using black market steroids..........and now you bring up growth plates (actually called "epiphyseal plates") after I point out you need to research it
Just sad, read up before you post about kids taking drugs.....

Calling a statement ignorant is hardly "name calling". Do you know the definition of ignorant? I used the term to accurately describe the situation as I see it. That is called an intelligent use of vocabulary.

You seem to also have trouble grasping the facts. I NEVER praised anyone for using steroids. Please do not lie especially when what you are referring to is in print, it only makes you look foolish.

Now, if you really want to talk about androgens and their effect on bone growth you may want to learn a bit more about the issue before making blanket declarations of "fact".

During puberty androgens initially stimulate bone growth. Later in puberty they do induce epiphyseal closure. These are true facts. To speculate about how exogenous steroids might effect a teenager is pure folly. There are too many variables to definitively say that they might limit one's height. For example, both androgens and estrogens effect bone growth and their interplay will have an overall effect. What about the initial bone growth stimulated by androgens? Would greater amounts of androgens at that point induce greater growth only to have said growth cease sooner? What would be the net result?



Oh, and lose the emoticons (or whatever they are called), they are quite tiresome, no?

 

[HardTrainer]

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[HotMom23]

Looks good to me. Steroids or no steroids. Still looks good.

 

[CowPimp]

The guy looks good BUT when I saw arnold at 19-20 in the video doc "Arnold made in brition" he looked much bigger then this guy.

Well, Arnold started taking steroids at 12 or 13...

 

[Dale Mabry]

I think we are all missing the real point here.

1)People are still referring to BBing as a sport

2)People are still referring to BBers as athletes.



Juice or not, dude had to work hard to get that way, and it is impressive juice or not. When I was 19 I was drinking and fucking, at least he has some place to direct his efforts.

 

[HardTrainer]

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[clemson357]

The guy looks good BUT when I saw arnold at 19-20 in the video doc "Arnold made in brition" he looked much bigger then this guy.

there aren't many people who compare to Arnold

I mean, is it really fair to judge people against the best bodybuilder of all time?

 

[HardTrainer]

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[clemson357]

Arnold/Ronnie Coleman thats not even a contest coleman wipes the floor.

depends on what you are looking for

I haven't seen much that compares to Frank Zane, personally.

 

[HardTrainer]

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[HardTrainer]

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[HardTrainer]

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[Arnold]

Even if he juices he still deserves credit for his genetics and hard work, steroids do not make a champion...I wish people would/could understand this.

Of all places you would think that on a bodybuilding board "we" would not be discrediting a bodybuilder for his drug use.

He looks great and if he continues I am sure he can go a long way in bodybuilding!

 

[HardTrainer]

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[GFR]

Calling a statement ignorant is hardly "name calling". Do you know the definition of ignorant?No I don't...please teach me I used the term to accurately describe the situation as I see it. That is called an intelligent use of vocabularyor using common insults when you don't have an intelligent comment to make .

You seem to also have trouble grasping the facts. I NEVER praised anyone for using steroids. Please do not lie especially when what you are referring to is in print, it only makes you look foolish.

Now, if you really want to talk about androgens and their effect on bone growth you may want to learn a bit more about the issue before making blanket declarations of "fact". I Pointed out the facts for you Chris since you didn't know them. But I will do it again......21 is the average age of men when epiphyseal closure occur.........now Chris go write that down before you forget.

During puberty androgens initially stimulate bone growth. Later in puberty they do induce epiphyseal closure. These are true facts. To speculate about how exogenous steroids might effect a teenager is pure folly. Ok professor.......love to see you give a lecture on that one at Harvard.............You would get allot of laughs though. There are too many variables to definitively say that they might limit one's height. For example, both androgens and estrogens effect bone growth and their interplay will have an overall effect. What about the initial bone growth stimulated by androgens? Would greater amounts of androgens at that point induce greater growth only to have said growth cease sooner? What would be the net result? Please keep reading, you are finally learning something.............only took you 2 days after your first post .



Oh, and lose the emoticons (or whatever they are called), they are quite tiresome, no?

I'm glad I inspired you to finally do some research on epiphyseal plates........................keep reading medical literature on it and stop using Flex Magazine as your research material.
You are starting to get a grasp of the subject but its clear you have allot to learn still.

EDIT
And I agree steroids don't make a Champion, it takes hard work, dedication, good genetics and a passion for the sport.
Also I find nothing wrong with an adult (21+) male using steroids responsibly, I have done it and I have known hundreds of people who have also.
This young man should be commended on his hard work and dedication to body building, the steroid use would have been a better idea once he hit 21.

 

[alexvega]

leaves the kid alone. it´s the age
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[chris mason]

I'm glad I inspired you to finally do some research on epiphyseal plates........................keep reading medical literature on it and stop using Flex Magazine as your research material.
You are starting to get a grasp of the subject but its clear you have allot to learn still.

EDIT
And I agree steroids don't make a Champion, it takes hard work, dedication, good genetics and a passion for the sport.
Also I find nothing wrong with an adult (21+) male using steroids responsibly, I have done it and I have known hundreds of people who have also.
This young man should be commended on his hard work and dedication to body building, the steroid use would have been a better idea once he hit 21.

Ok guy, you win, you are the guru...

I will not continue this argument any further.

 

[GFR]

Ok guy, you win, you are the guru...

I will not continue this argument any further.

Great You need to study up before you argue about subjects you don't understand.

 

[Arnold]

Great You need to study up before you argue about subjects you don't understand.

LOL, ForemanRules you have successfully made youself look like a complete fool in this thread.

 

[GFR]

LOL, ForemanRules you have successfully made youself look like a complete fool in this thread.

If encouraging "teenagers" not to use steroids and pointing out that epiphyseal plate closure doesn't occur until a male is about 21, makes me a fool then I'm guilty.

And as far as the pointless arguing on this thread.....yes I'm guilty of that also.

 

[Arnold]

If encouraging "teenagers" not to use steroids and pointing out that epiphyseal plate closure doesn't occur until a male is about 21, makes me a fool then I'm guilty.

"epiphyseal plate closure" << glad to see you finally did some internet research and came up with a technical term.

where did you do this? were there teens in this thread saying they were going to use steroids and you told them not to?

chris simply posted some pics of a very well built teen bodybuilder and out of jealousy you started ripping on him. How in the hell do you even know he uses steroids? He very well may be a genetic freak... maybe you should not jump to conclusions.

Personaly, I would rather see a teen involved in bodybuilding (and using steroids) than a teen that is involved in drugs, alcohol and other destructive behaviors.

 

[CowPimp]

Personaly, I would rather see a teen involved in bodybuilding (and using steroids) than a teen that is involved in drugs, alcohol and other destructive behaviors.

I just thought this was a funny comment because steroids are drugs...

Drugs and alcohol can be used responsibly, and so can steroids.

 

[Arnold]

Yes steroids are drugs, what I meant by "drugs" was recreational drugs, i.e. marijuana, acid, ecstasy, heroine, crack.