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We really don´t know what is going on, do we ?
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Where the hell is Irontime (IT) when you want to flame him?Robert DiMaggio said:
You should just beat people up if they don't agree with you. 
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I laughed out loud at this one.
BB is like investing.
1. Nobody has the definitive answer
2. Anyone who claims they do is lying
3. The journey is one of self discovery - "Where we have thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves"
4. It is the things you do not yet know that make the journey interesting and enjoyable
5. Learn about thyself and you will learn about the world
1. Nobody has the definitive answer
2. Anyone who claims they do is lying
3. The journey is one of self discovery - "Where we have thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves"
4. It is the things you do not yet know that make the journey interesting and enjoyable
5. Learn about thyself and you will learn about the world
Damn, this thread is old. 
I still agree with my statement.
I still agree with my statement.
thanks for bringing it back you crazy bunny you.
I didn´t, somebody voted in the poll and bumped it up.musclepump said:
They were too kind.
Nobody really knows but you and I think you can get in tune with your body so you know exactly how things are going to affect it. Once you've dialed in what works you can start fine tuning and then you end up with a physique worthy of envy. Of course we can all use the same basics, but when they stop working it takes self experimentation to get new results.
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He may mean Richard Sandrak, but I think he was a lot younger when he was famous... like eight...
Okay that was in response to a post on the first page... I didn't even notice there was a second one so everyone can basically ignore this post.
Okay that was in response to a post on the first page... I didn't even notice there was a second one so everyone can basically ignore this post.
V,
you make a great point, man.
Everyone always says genetics this/nature that.
I disagree. Sure, genetics will have a role in how your body looks and functions. BUT, we are all humans. We all require the same basic things in life, and we all develop very similarly, so much so that nurture is more important than nature.
The reason BB's look like BB's is because they took what nature has given us all, and decided to make the most of it. ANYONE can do it.
you make a great point, man.
Everyone always says genetics this/nature that.
I disagree. Sure, genetics will have a role in how your body looks and functions. BUT, we are all humans. We all require the same basic things in life, and we all develop very similarly, so much so that nurture is more important than nature.
The reason BB's look like BB's is because they took what nature has given us all, and decided to make the most of it. ANYONE can do it.
I still disagree. Genetics play a huge role, to say that one person can do what another has done is insane, drugs or not. Genetics also play a role in how much drugs a person can run, without running into nutty side effects.
Or in the case of Flex Wheeler, myostatin genes. Genetics dont play a role? Sorry but that is ridiculous.
October 1, 1998
Re: Flex Wheeler
To whom it may concern:
I am writing this letter per the request of Flex Wheeler.
I would first like to briefly provide you with some background information regarding BALCO Laboratories. BALCO has been working with elite Olympic and professional athletes for over fifteen years. BALCO has provided testing and consultation for over 250 NFL players including the entire 1998 Super Bowl Champion Denver Broncos team and the entire Miami Dolphins team. BALCO works with professional athletes in many sports including teenis (Michael Chang, Jim Courier, etc.), hockey, bodybuilding (10 of the 16 1998 Mr. Olympia contestants), track and field, soccer and basketball (Seattle SuperSonics).
BALCO Laboratories has been testing and monitoring Flex on a routine basis during the last year. We have performed tests including blood chemistry (SMAC), complete blood count (CBC), PSA, anabolic hormone levels, genotyping as well as comprehensive testing for nutritional elements. Flex's test results have been compared to twenty-four other professional bodybuilders and overall he has one of the healthiest profiles. Basically, Flex is in excellent health and has demonstrated the discipline necessary to maintain a peak level of conditioning.
Flex was a participant in a study we recently conducted in collaboration with the Department of Human Genetics at the University of Pittsburgh involving 62 men who made unusually large gains in muscle mass in response to strength training (extreme responders). Flex was one of only nine extreme responders that had the very rare "myostatin mutation." Myostatin is the gene that "limits muscle growth." Specifically, Flex had the rarest form of myostatin mutation at the "exon 2" position on the gene. This simply means Flex has a much larger number of muscle fibers compared to the other subjects or the normal population. We believe that these are the very first myostatin mutation findings in humans and the results of this landmark study have already been submitted for publication. Flex was also found to have a very unusual type of the IGF-1 gene. In fact, Flex was the only participant in the study that did not have a "match." All of the other extreme responders had at least three other subjects with a matching IGF-1 gene. Based upon Flex's very unique genetic profile, we plan to expeditiously publish a scientific paper that reveals his complete genotype in specific detail. The publication of his remarkable genetic data should generate an enormous amount of media exposure.
Hope this information will be helpful and please call if I can be of assistance.
Sincerely,
/s/ Victor Conte
Victor Conte
President
BALCO Laboratories, Inc.
Or in the case of Flex Wheeler, myostatin genes. Genetics dont play a role? Sorry but that is ridiculous.
October 1, 1998
Re: Flex Wheeler
To whom it may concern:
I am writing this letter per the request of Flex Wheeler.
I would first like to briefly provide you with some background information regarding BALCO Laboratories. BALCO has been working with elite Olympic and professional athletes for over fifteen years. BALCO has provided testing and consultation for over 250 NFL players including the entire 1998 Super Bowl Champion Denver Broncos team and the entire Miami Dolphins team. BALCO works with professional athletes in many sports including teenis (Michael Chang, Jim Courier, etc.), hockey, bodybuilding (10 of the 16 1998 Mr. Olympia contestants), track and field, soccer and basketball (Seattle SuperSonics).
BALCO Laboratories has been testing and monitoring Flex on a routine basis during the last year. We have performed tests including blood chemistry (SMAC), complete blood count (CBC), PSA, anabolic hormone levels, genotyping as well as comprehensive testing for nutritional elements. Flex's test results have been compared to twenty-four other professional bodybuilders and overall he has one of the healthiest profiles. Basically, Flex is in excellent health and has demonstrated the discipline necessary to maintain a peak level of conditioning.
Flex was a participant in a study we recently conducted in collaboration with the Department of Human Genetics at the University of Pittsburgh involving 62 men who made unusually large gains in muscle mass in response to strength training (extreme responders). Flex was one of only nine extreme responders that had the very rare "myostatin mutation." Myostatin is the gene that "limits muscle growth." Specifically, Flex had the rarest form of myostatin mutation at the "exon 2" position on the gene. This simply means Flex has a much larger number of muscle fibers compared to the other subjects or the normal population. We believe that these are the very first myostatin mutation findings in humans and the results of this landmark study have already been submitted for publication. Flex was also found to have a very unusual type of the IGF-1 gene. In fact, Flex was the only participant in the study that did not have a "match." All of the other extreme responders had at least three other subjects with a matching IGF-1 gene. Based upon Flex's very unique genetic profile, we plan to expeditiously publish a scientific paper that reveals his complete genotype in specific detail. The publication of his remarkable genetic data should generate an enormous amount of media exposure.
Hope this information will be helpful and please call if I can be of assistance.
Sincerely,
/s/ Victor Conte
Victor Conte
President
BALCO Laboratories, Inc.
I think the chloroplast cell count is dependant upon the receptor response from the neuron induced physco-truma which is caused from heavy lifting.
KarlW is 100% right on this one.KarlW said:
Sergio Oliva loved the Dbol deca cycle back in the day, now people love to say what a stupid cycle that is. I'dd love them to tell that to Sergio. If we have learned so much why dont I see 1000's of Sergios walking arount at Golds Venice...Oh I do...except they have ugly ripped 42 inch guts, so much for the 20+ chest to waist taper.The only thing I can see for sure is that the new drugs of this generation are better.
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So we can call these Pro's mutants?
