what gives that insanely grainy look??

[tinyshrek]

 

[tinyshrek]

The topic was "insanely grainy" not contest condition. My friend you are not on their level. But you do have a great physique

 

[overburdened]

<grabs popcorn>

lol..... nice!
I'll get my scanner working.... that's a pic of a pic on my profile... just for shits and giggles..lol

 

[overburdened]

Those are grainy!!!

 

[Standard Donkey]

the king of grainy? and fibery?

 

[tinyshrek]

SD is munzer jr!! Haha

 

[Standard Donkey]

SD is munzer jr!! Haha

someday... O_O

 

[RockShawn]

is that morning cardio fasted? do people still do that shit?

I fast if doing LISS, but now I eat before my 30 min HIIT. I'm in the gym 2x a day doing something right now. I've still got fat to fight before I can worry about water but I'm close and my show's 9 weeks out.

Overburdened is right though. The grainy look is reserved for contest shape. You can't stay that way all the time. You might be able to every once in a while for a photo shoot, but that's only if you are as lean as you would be pre contest.

 

[gulfcoast]

The topic was "insanely grainy" not contest condition. My friend you are not on their level. But you do have a great physique

They go hand in hand - the ONLY time any of these guys or anybody else for that matter has that "look" is for a day or so, maybe just hours, after intense contest prep. The human body cannot stay at 3% dry for more than a very short period of time wout serious health consequences... just ask Andreas Munzer, I mean read his autopsy report. :-(

 

[Standard Donkey]

They go hand in hand - the ONLY time any of these guys or anybody else for that matter has that "look" is for a day or so, maybe just hours, after intense contest prep. The human body cannot stay at 3% dry for more than a very short period of time wout serious health consequences... just ask Andreas Munzer, I mean read his autopsy report. :-(

if you read it you would not have written this

 

[~RaZr~]

Munzer was peeled, dry as beef jerky, shredded, etc.

Was he grainy though? Is there even a difference or is it a matter of opinion?

 

[tinyshrek]

Munzer bled to death on the operating table due to the extreme amount of blood thinners he was taking. That was the main culprit. Of course everything else played a factor as well

 

[Digitalash]

any questions?

 

[gulfcoast]

Munzer bled to death on the operating table due to the extreme amount of blood thinners he was taking. That was the main culprit. Of course everything else played a factor as well

Yeah parts of his liver having the consistency of styrofoam probably didn't help... I believe that was in the report but I could be wrong.

 

[Digitalash]

I believe it was too, there were golfball size growths in his liver and it was somewhat degenerated. There are so many rumors though I don't know what to believe. I've heard everything from that he was so dehydrated/on diuretics his blood simply stopped flowing, that his bodyfat was too low to continue living etc. If anyone knows 100% for sure I'd like to hear, the guy's basically become a myth though and it's hard to say what is exaggerated and what is not

 

[Goldenera]

any questions?

Epic conditioning and unreal calves!

 

[Digitalash]

Normally I'd say I would never reallly want to look like an ifbb pro (not that I could if I wanted to) but I'd be pretty ok with that physique lol

 

[tinyshrek]

The blade!!

 

[Standard Donkey]

definitely looks great.. im glad he got an O

 

[stfuandliftbtch]

you may not want to hear it but diet and cardio is how you get there... all the drugs(aas, diuretics) in the world wont get you there without the diet and cardio... but for the drugs... tren, halo, winny,test susp, primo, mast,...I'm having a brain fart and leaving a couple out... but you get the idea.. then , when you are lean, dry, depleted... you have to 'dry' out.. this can involve sodium cycling, and generally involves diuretics(lasix, demadex, diazide, hctz, spironolactone...)

diet and training...no need for cardio

 

[dawun]

good diet all year long and hardcore workouts..

 

[~RaZr~]

Yes this is off-topic, but "The Blade" and Mark Dugdale are two guys that I wouldn't mind having their conditioning.

Some guys want to have to fitness model physique of Plitt while others want to be tanks of muscle like Yates and Coleman.

In regards to Munzer, I never read the reports. If he had a "styrofoam" liver with masses in it, then he had cirrhosis. This could explain why the guy bled-the-fuck-out everywhere.

 

[Glycomann]

bro

Yeah bro

 

[Glycomann]

Munzer was peeled, dry as beef jerky, shredded, etc.

Was he grainy though? Is there even a difference or is it a matter of opinion?

Munzer was peeled to the point he looked reptilian.

 

[Glycomann]

Yes this is off-topic, but "The Blade" and Mark Dugdale are two guys that I wouldn't mind having their conditioning.

Some guys want to have to fitness model physique of Plitt while others want to be tanks of muscle like Yates and Coleman.

In regards to Munzer, I never read the reports. If he had a "styrofoam" liver with masses in it, then he had cirrhosis. This could explain why the guy bled-the-fuck-out everywhere.

According to Nasser he bleed out from a bleeding ulcer that was a chronic problem. After his competition he was on board a trans continental flight for many hours and by the time they got him to the hospital and on the OR table he had bleed out. The German media sensationalised the story to demonize steroids and bodybuilding according to Nasser el Sonbaty who new him well. You can read about it on Nasser's site.

 

[Standard Donkey]

iirc correctly, munzer was ignoring some very obvious warning signs.. for months

 

[Glycomann]

iirc correctly, munzer was ignoring some very obvious warning signs.. for months

Probably years

 

[~RaZr~]

That's right! Thanks for refreshing my memory. If his liver was shot AND he had a bleeding ulcer (that ruptured)....he was going to bleed out like a women giving birth.

 

[airsealed2]

you may not want to hear it but diet and cardio is how you get there... all the drugs(aas, diuretics) in the world wont get you there without the diet and cardio... but for the drugs... tren, halo, winny,test susp, primo, mast,...I'm having a brain fart and leaving a couple out... but you get the idea.. then , when you are lean, dry, depleted... you have to 'dry' out.. this can involve sodium cycling, and generally involves diuretics(lasix, demadex, diazide, hctz, spironolactone...)

Wow, all true but scary as hell. Almost everything there can cause kidney failure. Not to mention what too much protein does. I won't go into it but I almost lost someone close to me due to kidney failure. Scary as hell and the fatality rates have actually gone up over the last fifty years when people do have kidney failure. It is one hell of a helpless feeling because modern medicine is not equipped to save people when their kidneys fail. Mortality rates are estimated as high as 70 percent.

Don't get me wrong, it's not the gear so much as things like dehydration, diuretics, long term heavy protein use, even exertion. I'm not an alarmist. I hate alarmists. I just found out the hard way what a big problem it is. My gut twists just thinking about what I just went through with the finest human being I know and some of it might have even been my fault. Cage fighter stuff, I'll tell the story here soon when I have time.