What hits your chest the hardest?

[EvilEdDanzig]

I always used to hammer my chest with workouts that ran often in excess of 90 minutes. I'd bang out grinding hardcore rep after rep of HEAVY incline presses,flat presses, incline flyes,flat flyes with my legs on a bar and the upper portion of my torso hanging off the bench, and crossovers.

Until this past Monday.

I had 1 hour between my classes at the college,so I ran into their weight room for a quick chest assault.

In 35 minutes, I smashed through flat flyes,incline flyes,incline DB presses, pushups with my body angled(ankles propped on top of an incline bench), and pec deck flyes.

I was sore for 4 days.

Just curious as to what you guys all feel hits you hardest...
And if you guys challenge me to try your workouts,I am game!

 

[Premo55]

I actually think weighted dips are my favourite chest exercise, they bring out separation very nicely.

Peace.

 

[CowPimp]

I don't have much experience with this lift myself, but decline bench presses are supposed to hit the chest pretty hard.

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

Hey,I am asking what works for YOU,not what ya hear man! I HEAR the Hammer Strength flye machine hits you like a brick,but I haven't used it,so I'm not saying.

I'm just curious as to what workouts,motions, and modifications hit your chest the best. No hearsay please? I've done most everything you can do with a barbell or dumbbells to stress my chest, and I can tell you that my 35 minute HIT workout hit me harder than anything I've ever doen before. Now it's your turn to share in the wealth of information!

 

[Monolith]

Well, what feels the best for me is dips and high cable crossovers. I always get a nice tight, pumped feel after a couple sets of either. But if i did nothing but dips and crossovers, i wouldnt exactly be hitting my chest very hard... whats best for growth, for me anyway, is DB bench.

 

[Rocco32]

What's best for me is definately Incline DB Presses!

 

[QuestionGuy]

90 minutes chest workout, ???? how many dayzzz a week do you do that man.... ??? i think you are overtraining it a littlebit,

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

Well,I believe I said in excess of 90 minutes....and,usually once a week. General rule for the entire body (9 of 10 cases) :If the muscle will contract then it can still grow. beat it until it is dead.

 

[Rocco32]

I'm with Question guy on this one, as would most knowlegable weightlifters. If your going over 45min- 1hr than that is called overtraining whether your muscles can contract or not. And in excess of 90 minutes means you do more than 90 minutes. Cut back, you'll get better gains.

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

I find that hard to believe. Can you guarrantee that I am going to grow at a more rapid rate? every month I am adding 5-15 lbs on my bench. Can you GUARRANTEE that MY body will respond better to less work? To less volume. NO. You cannot guarrantee it. I asked what people felt hit them the hardest,not whether anyone approves of my high volume training style. I have voice my opinions of high volume training with moderate intensity before. I'm not about to repeat myself. What ever might work for you,great.It works for YOU. What you do may be the right way,but it is not the ONLY right way.

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

oh,and BTW Rock...nice whoring on your little whoring thread

 

[P-funk]

Originally posted by rock4832
I'm with Question guy on this one, as would most knowlegable weightlifters. If your going over 45min- 1hr than that is called overtraining whether your muscles can contract or not. And in excess of 90 minutes means you do more than 90 minutes. Cut back, you'll get better gains.

I will be the first to cry BULLSHIT here.....lol

I can't stand when people put a time limit on how long you workout for. It really depends on what you are doing. Sometimes I do cardio after my workout so it lasts for 90min. Sometimes I do abs so my workout may go for 75min. Sometimes I'll do a leg workout and it will last 90min. because I am going heavy, working at a high intensity (90% of my 1RM or better), and resting 3-5min between sets. Does that mean I wa oertraining?? NO. Powerlifters workout long for this same reason. WOrkout until you are done. Don't put a time limit on things.

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

P-Funk,I thank you again humbly for your wealth of knowledge and for informing us all again. Also, still many thanks for the previous assitance you gave me in my calf work. I admit that in that ONE isolated instance, I was overtraining.

 

[QuestionGuy]

we are not talking about a workout here man, we are talking about Working out you chest hardcore for 90 minutes man what the fuck are you talking about...... damn man, when i was a begginer i also thought that working my muscles a lot and hard would give me huge gains but instead i overtrained......... i take longer than an hour to do my workout too but i dont spend 90 minutes on any bodypart a week because that is just not good to do man........ and you said something about " hit it till its dead" what the fuck???? thats exactly what you are doing to your muscles

 

[QuestionGuy]

pf-punk i know what you are talking about and i know workout can go longer but i really doubt that you know what you are talking about if you agree with working out for chest for 90 minutes hard core " till its dead" ???

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

Well,common sense tells you that you are not going to go straight from benching 180 for a warmup, then AUTOMATICALLY 225, 235, 285,305, tehn fly into Incline bench....etc,etc,etc. It;s like this man: You do 5 sets of everything, take approximately 45 seconds of rest, everything heavy, and VOILA, you have a hardcore workout. I train chest by itself. When I trained chest and back together,I felt I was shortchanging one or the other. How the hell can YOU say what is BEST FOR ME? Have you not yet learned that no 2 people respond EXACTLY the same from one way of training? Now, if you really want to keep bitching about how wrong I am,why don't you just start a new thread to bash me, and let everyone get back to the point here: what works best for the INDIVIUAL on a basis of PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

 

[Rocco32]

Evil- You have got quite the attitude there and you may want to curb it sooner or later. People here try to help each other whether you agree with what is said or not. You come off as a complete ass in your responses. Learn from P-funk, he may not agree with me and has no trouble expressing his difference of opinion, but he is still respectful in his response.

P-funk- I get what your saying and my w/o's will go over that too sometimes when I do multiple bp's or add in cardio or abs. When you train for 90 mins however, are you doing to complete failure for that time?

 

[P-funk]

Originally posted by QuestionGuy
pf-punk i know what you are talking about and i know workout can go longer but i really doubt that you know what you are talking about if you agree with working out for chest for 90 minutes hard core " till its dead" ???

a) i didn't say that working out your chest "hardcore", until it is dead for 90min was good.

b) how do you define hardcore?? If I am doing heavy benching (again 90% of my 1RM) an doing other heavy explosive lifts for chest and my rest interval is high and the workout lasts 90min. I consider that pretty fucking hardcore.

c) Overtraining like that is bad all the time. BUT, sometimes a little
overtraining can stimulate some good growth that you may not have tapped into otherwise. Frequently I will take a week and kill myself, overtraining everyhting, just to try and give my body another training stimulus/higher level of stress that it is not used to. Then the next week will be much lighter, active rest almost (some may even take a week off). This usually works for me since my body has no idea how to respond to it.

d)why are you calling me names like p-punk?? I have never done anything to you or flamed you in any thread. I have no intentions of fighting with anyone here. I simply want to share with others things that I have picked up over the years and hopefully learn from others as well.

e) If you have a problem with me then please pm me and save everyone the details so that we can keep this a clean thread and not "whore it up" for EvilEd.


thanks,
patrick

 

[P-funk]

Originally posted by rock4832
Evil- You have got quite the attitude there and you may want to curb it sooner or later. People here try to help each other whether you agree with what is said or not. You come off as a complete ass in your responses. Learn from P-funk, he may not agree with me and has no trouble expressing his difference of opinion, but he is still respectful in his response.

P-funk- I get what your saying and my w/o's will go over that too sometimes when I do multiple bp's or add in cardio or abs. When you train for 90 mins however, are you doing to complete failure for that time?

Rock,

Thanks. No, I rarely train to complete failure, except on my last set. If you look in my journal you will see constant weight and constant reps for most of my sets. Very little pyramiding in weight and training to failure these days. I choose to go for more of a summation of weight/cumulative fatigue approach which I find to been extemly effective (I train more like a powelifter than probably any bodybuilder you have seen...lol). I know what you are saying, it is difficult to get the workout done in 45-60min. if you are doing multiple bodyparts. That is the problem I usually have when I do push pul splits. So, like I said, don't put a time limit on things. Workout until you are done.

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

P-funk has yet another point....PM me too if you care to continue slamming my training style. You say I have an attitude,yet fail to realize that you were the one that called bullshit on my style,not I on yours.

To attempt to put this back on track,I realize that I failed to mention the things that hit me the best.

Without question, flat flyes with my feet on a racked bar with my head and shoulders hanging off the end of the bench,a la Shwarzenegger, is the most noticably effective exercise. I dig the Hammer Strength machines for variance, and I have always favored Smith Machine incline presses with a SLIGHTLY wider than shoulder width grip. That cluster seems to stress my pecs exceptionally well.

 

[Brak86]

I do think that doing only chest for 90 minutes straight will probably lead ot overtraining; however, i do shoulders tris and chest on mondays and thursdays and there is no way i can do those three muscles in less than 90 min....so if u split the muscle groups up it should be fine/.

 

[JLB001]

Hmmm...to each their own.


Anyways...I love the pec dec.

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

You know...a few people I have spoken too have preached the pec dec,but I only feel the stress along the clavicle. Anyhow, the college gym has an OLD SCHOOL pec dec....that loads standard plates behind the seat....teh entire place is a throwback to the olden days...I am going to miss it....

Enough Pec-dec memories...

Glad you all posted,many thanks.

 

[Rocco32]

Brak- I'm all for breaking the muscles up, my question was doing one muscle group str8 for 90 min or more until it stops contracting. IMO, overload on muscle and CNS not to mention cortisol production.

Evil- Just because someone says something against what you do does not mean they are attacking you or mean you need to get defensive and attack back. And yes, I am the one who call you on your overtraining and out in the open because I don't want a newbie coming along, seeing this thread and thinking it's fine to train my chest to failure for an excess of 90 min and end up getting hurt. If it works for you- great. Most normal people would find it overtraining and overtaxing on the CNS to go that hard that long for an extended period of time. Just because I call you on something does not mean I have an attitude, but I do not appreciate the responses you've been giving certain IM members since you have been here.

 

[Rocco32]

Originally posted by JLB001
Hmmm...to each their own.


Anyways...I love the pec dec.

I love the pec deck too! But not the butterfly.

 

[EvilEdDanzig]

Man, do you want me to stick a disclaimer on all my posts or something? If so,would you please do me a favor and type it up? I'll stick it right under my lyrics sample.

Seriously. I mean it.

 

[QuestionGuy]

hahaha, im so sorry man i didnt mean to call you that i really thought you were called that way im really sorry about that
P-Funk sorry about that

 

[P-funk]

there is no need to apolgize. I am not angry

 

[QuestionGuy]

Hey EVIL man if you were somewhere in reach i would kick your dumb-ass right now man, you are acting so stupid like you are something special in here, man and i will say it again and again YOU ARE OVERTRAINING and if you have a problem with critisism than you should not be here asshole, i've been critisized a lot from people but i learned i didn't call them stupid names or tell them that they are not right, you are dumb man, you think you are the shit

 

[QuestionGuy]

you re such a stupid dumbas Evil, i dont even know where to start, i mean you get in here and start shit like this is yours......pus you must be a begginer because every begginer thinks that working out longgg and hardddddddd and a lotttt will get you huge... and even if you dont think that you are still a dumbass, damn man you need to relax a little and get back on the ground