what steroids can be taken without testosterone as base?

[theCaptn']

Low dose dbol runs at 20mg ed are not only effective...but come with min sides and water retention...

You could probably run 10mg dbol for 6 months with no issues

 

[dave 236]

Colonic cheque drops.

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[robono]

Long runs of Deca without test are my favorite. You have to make sure to go over 1200mg/wk to not get any sides though.

That's some funny shit right there!!!

 

[BUCKY]

Not sure about this. Maybe if it's Anavar it's possible.

You could probably run 10mg dbol for 6 months with no issues

 

[BUCKY]

From what I read when using Masteron with Testosterone, you won't need an OCT (Anastrozole) as the Masteron acts to fight gynecomastia? Is 400mg a week of Masteron a good dose (every other day so 100mg EOD). Just wondering how many weeks can I use Masteron for? That dose is for mass gainers. I'm no mass gainer so I'd guess 50mg every other day would be a good dose? I'm not sure I believe Masteron is more androgenic than Testosterone. I read there's synergistic effect when using Masteron with Winstrol, along with Anavar (or other cutting steroids). Is it ok to you use all 3 DHT derivative steroid in a cycle?

mast is a dht derivative and very androgenic so probably worsefor your hairline. run a moderate dose of test like 300mg a week and keep estro in check. Eat a clean diet and plenty of water and you won't bloat at all

 

[jay_steel]

i would only run mast from 500-700 mg a week any thing under you will see little results and any thing more will not yield a great difference.

 

[jay_steel]

I was using 500mg of Test E a week. Maybe half of that should have been my dose. So to hold on to my gains I'd have to be on Test for as long as I want to hold on to my gains?

when you take gear your test levels will shut down. Your test levels are what helps EVERY thing in your body to synthesize protein, gain muscle, keep muscle, ect. with out the test its all most a waste of money and in my opionon more taxing on your body. I will run no test if I am not dry enough for a contest only. If i Feel I am holding not enough water I will drop my test raise letro and blast letro. This is for contest prep only not for average joe wanting to get lean. After the show I will go back to 300mg of test a week and cruise or I may actually PCT for the first time in over a year. Still undecided.

 

[Mike Arnold]

I'm surprised of no mention of Masteron. I was thinking about an Anavar and Masteron stack, maybe an Anavar or Primobolan stack, or all 3. Masteron does not aromatize so does Anavar, I think I like that. I like the description of Masteron being slightly less stronger than Primo, and non aromatizing. I was close to liking Winstrol but it's supposed to be harsh on the liver at high dosage so I might pass on it.

The reason no one brought up Masteron is because it is often horrendous on the hairline...worse than testosterone for a lot of guys. Like I said in the above post, there are NOT many steroids which meet the criteria you've selected. You basically said you don't want to lose any hair, don't want to hold water, yet wan't to build a good amount of muscle tissue. How many steroids do you think there are that meet those qualifications? The answer is VERY FEW! That is why I selected Primo and SD. SD will meet your guidelines while building a lot of mass. Primo also mets those guidelines, but does not build much mass. However, it can be run for a much longer period of time, making for a more normal length cycle.

 

[Mike Arnold]

You could probably run 10mg dbol for 6 months with no issues

You absolutely could. You could run 20 mg for a year and your liver enzymes wouldn't be too bad at all. your cholesterol probably wouldn't be too great, but that could be managed through other means.

 

[Mike Arnold]

From what I read when using Masteron with Testosterone, you won't need an OCT (Anastrozole) as the Masteron acts to fight gynecomastia? Is 400mg a week of Masteron a good dose (every other day so 100mg EOD). Just wondering how many weeks can I use Masteron for? That dose is for mass gainers. I'm no mass gainer so I'd guess 50mg every other day would be a good dose? I'm not sure I believe Masteron is more androgenic than Testosterone. I read there's synergistic effect when using Masteron with Winstrol, along with Anavar (or other cutting steroids). Is it ok to you use all 3 DHT derivative steroid in a cycle?

Test & Mast is a good cycle, but if you're prone to hair loss, that cycle is almost certain to significantly speed up the process. Now, if you don't really care about hair loss (which means every person who tried to help you in this thread wasted their time), then there are lots of different options.

 

[BUCKY]

For how many weeks? 8-12? From what I read 400mg a week of Masteron is fine (split every other day). Anything over 500mg does not have much difference so it would be a waste.

i would only run mast from 500-700 mg a week any thing under you will see little results and any thing more will not yield a great difference.

 

[BUCKY]

Ok I think this makes sense. I get what you;re saying. When I use gear like Masteron it shuts down my natural test so therefore I'd have to supplement it with Testosterone injections. Would replacing it to the natural level be fine? I read it was 200mg of Test is what the male body produces or something like that. I was using Test E, 500mg a week, it was kinda bad on the hairline. So if I run Test with Masteron I won't have to worry about OCT or PCT, correct? I read masteron functions to keep gynecomastia in check. The cycle I'm trying to run is NOT a bulking cycle. Otherwise everyone knows to go for Tren. Would this cycle work:

Test: 200mg weekly (Should I stick with Test E? It's the only Test I have ever tried)
Masteron: 50-100mg every other day (I might go 50mg to try it out first before I'd step up to 100mg)
Anavar: 50mg daily

6-8 week cycle, or 8-12 week cycle? No OCT/PCT?

Just curious if low dose Test will not give any sides? I'm assuming it won't as it is simply "replacing" my natural production amount of Test that's being shut down by "gear".

when you take gear your test levels will shut down. Your test levels are what helps EVERY thing in your body to synthesize protein, gain muscle, keep muscle, ect. with out the test its all most a waste of money and in my opionon more taxing on your body. I will run no test if I am not dry enough for a contest only. If i Feel I am holding not enough water I will drop my test raise letro and blast letro. This is for contest prep only not for average joe wanting to get lean. After the show I will go back to 300mg of test a week and cruise or I may actually PCT for the first time in over a year. Still undecided.

 

[theCaptn']

^^^ this dickhead is trolling.

He's been around long enough to know the basics of cycle etcetc

I've got a good mind to ban him

 

[BUCKY]

well what is SD? What is the catch with SD? If it's to build mass without the sides I was worried about, then how come it's not as out there?

Primo is another of my options as well. Thanks for its mention.

The reason no one brought up Masteron is because it is often horrendous on the hairline...worse than testosterone for a lot of guys. Like I said in the above post, there are NOT many steroids which meet the criteria you've selected. You basically said you don't want to lose any hair, don't want to hold water, yet wan't to build a good amount of muscle tissue. How many steroids do you think there are that meet those qualifications? The answer is VERY FEW! That is why I selected Primo and SD. SD will meet your guidelines while building a lot of mass. Primo also mets those guidelines, but does not build much mass. However, it can be run for a much longer period of time, making for a more normal length cycle.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Bucky, I have noticed that evey time you ask someone a question and they give you an answer, you disagree with them and make a comment which opposes their answer. I also noticed that you said you wanted to avoid certain side effects, but then when people tell you the compounds you're contemplating frequently cause those side effects, you ignore them and act as if you want to run them anyway. You also keep asking questions which have already been answered in this thread. For example, you just asked how much test you would need to take to maintain natural T levels, yet that question was specifically answered already. Lastly, on a few occasions, when someone responds to your question, you challenge their answer.

I agree with the Captn', you are either trolling and intentionally wasting people's time...or you are about as smart as an acorn. Cut it the fuck out now...as there are other people here who actually want help...and personally, I don't have time to waste helping some jackass who either can't/won't read...or just wants to argue.

 

[Mike Arnold]

well what is SD? What is the catch with SD? If it's to build mass without the sides I was worried about, then how come it's not as out there?

Primo is another of my options as well. Thanks for its mention.

Not out there? What the fuck are you talking about?