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I've used CLA before and its helped me before. Kinda think of using it again here soon!!LAM said:
What is your statement based upon ?topolo said:
did you take 6 grams/every day for at least 3 months ? were you following a balanced diet ?topolo said:
what negative information have you read on CLA ?Par Deus said:
I have seen plenty of studies where no great increase in LBM was observed but none where there was not a loss of body fat when a 6 gram/ED dosage was used...
To get back to the original topic: after 16 years of training and buying sups
I'd love to see an OTC oral GH product that actually works!!
Look at what we've had over the years: Ornithine, Arginine,
Arginine Pyro/Lysine, Ferulic Acid, Pituitary peptides, L-Glutamine, Alpha GPC, etc etc. All a crock of Sh**.
I think I may be hoping for the impossible.
I'd love to see an OTC oral GH product that actually works!!
Look at what we've had over the years: Ornithine, Arginine,
Arginine Pyro/Lysine, Ferulic Acid, Pituitary peptides, L-Glutamine, Alpha GPC, etc etc. All a crock of Sh**.
I think I may be hoping for the impossible.
Well, it has indeed been shown not to cause fat loss (in both humans and pigs (who are much more like humans than rats are) in several studies, in vivo, and in vitro.
It has also been shown to cause insulin resistence.
In addition, many studies (especially in vitro stuff and rat studies) often use a pure 10, 12 CLA isomer, as opposed to the 10,12/9,11 mixture that is sold commerically.
And, the data indicates that the two have pretty much the exact opposite effect -- 10,12 seems to be a PPAR-gamma ANtagonist, while the 9,11 isomer appears to be an agonist.
But, there are indeed a lot of really promising studies, as well.
If they ever make a commercial product of a relatively high purity isomer specific CLA, we will be able to figure out a lot more on this compound.
It has also been shown to cause insulin resistence.
In addition, many studies (especially in vitro stuff and rat studies) often use a pure 10, 12 CLA isomer, as opposed to the 10,12/9,11 mixture that is sold commerically.
And, the data indicates that the two have pretty much the exact opposite effect -- 10,12 seems to be a PPAR-gamma ANtagonist, while the 9,11 isomer appears to be an agonist.
But, there are indeed a lot of really promising studies, as well.
If they ever make a commercial product of a relatively high purity isomer specific CLA, we will be able to figure out a lot more on this compound.
LAM said:
Quick fat burner w/ NO sides.
Well, it has indeed been shown not to cause fat loss (in both humans and pigs (who are much more like humans than rats are) in several studies, in vivo, and in vitro.
It has also been shown to cause insulin resistence.
In addition, many studies (especially in vitro stuff and rat studies) often use a pure 10, 12 CLA isomer, as opposed to the 10,12/9,11 mixture that is sold commerically.
And, the data indicates that the two have pretty much the exact opposite effect -- 10,12 seems to be a PPAR-gamma ANtagonist, while the 9,11 isomer appears to be an agonist.
But, there are indeed a lot of really promising studies, as well.
If they ever make a commercial product of a relatively high purity isomer specific CLA, we will be able to figure out a lot more on this compound.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAM
what negative information have you read on CLA ?
I have seen plenty of studies where no great increase in LBM was observed but none where there was not a loss of body fat when a 6 gram/ED dosage was used...
as i said...........garbage
It has also been shown to cause insulin resistence.
In addition, many studies (especially in vitro stuff and rat studies) often use a pure 10, 12 CLA isomer, as opposed to the 10,12/9,11 mixture that is sold commerically.
And, the data indicates that the two have pretty much the exact opposite effect -- 10,12 seems to be a PPAR-gamma ANtagonist, while the 9,11 isomer appears to be an agonist.
But, there are indeed a lot of really promising studies, as well.
If they ever make a commercial product of a relatively high purity isomer specific CLA, we will be able to figure out a lot more on this compound.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LAM
what negative information have you read on CLA ?
I have seen plenty of studies where no great increase in LBM was observed but none where there was not a loss of body fat when a 6 gram/ED dosage was used...
as i said...........garbage
