When I Lose Control......I Like It! Prop/Tren

[Cardinal]

Yep, I am coming to appreciate Prop more and more. All the more reason to figure out a solid way to limit hair loss. 1-5 mg corresponds well with what I remember people taking. You bring up a good point about it lowing libido. This might not be something I want to use during pct especially if I have a gf by that time which it looks like I will.

 

[Cardinal]

July 8, 2005

Bodyweight: 239.5

Workout

Squat 135x10, 155x10, 175x10, 205x8, 205x7, 205x6
Conventional Deadlifts 225x10, 275x10, 295x6

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00, 915 kcals

Notes

I ran out of gas on the deadlifts. Seems better to do them first then squat. Took me an extra 10 minutes or so on cardio to get back to feeling normal and for the legs to work right.

 

[Cardinal]

July 9, 2005

Bodyweight: 237

Cardio

Elliptical 85:00, 1225 kcals

Notes

Went out for italian last night. Had a bunch of buttered popcorn and Dr. Pepper. Woke up a couple lbs lighter.

 

[Cardinal]

July 10, 2005

Bodyweight: 239

Workout

HS High Rows 140x10 200x10 240x10 260x7 280x4 220x10
HS Low Rows 200x10, 220x10, 240x10
Curls 60x9, 55x8, 50x7

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00, 935 kcals

 

[Purdue Power]

Just wanted to let you know that I am still following your progress. I didn't want you to feel like you were all alone on this one.

 

[Cardinal]

Thanks Purdue. I definitely appreciate the support. This one 'should' be coming to an end soon enough. I have definitely extended the cycle longer than planned. I just haven't run out of anything yet, hehe.

 

[Cardinal]

July 11, 2005

Bodyweight: 237.5

Cardio

Elliptical 60:00, 900 kcals

 

[Cardinal]

July 12, 2005

Bodyweight: 238

Workout

HS Incline Press 160x10 200x8 240x6 260x5 220x2x8
HS Shoulder Press 240x7
DB OH Press 65x8
HS Tricep 120x12, 140x10, 160x7
Kickbacks 35x12

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00 955 kcals

Notes

HS machines sure felt really good on my joints. It is amazing how simply choosing the right movements and taking time to avoid activities that bother my joints really does help. Being on Test/Tren may certainly negatively impact joint health, but I sure can't tell it now. Since I stopped doing calf work, I no longer have achilles tendon pain at all.

 

[Cardinal]

July 13, 2005

Bodyweight: 242

Workout

Conventional Deads
225x5, 295x5, 345x3, 375x1, 395x1, 405x1 (20 lb PR) 225x12

Squats 135x10, 155x10, 175x8, 195x8

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00 930 kcals

Notes

I know I am pretty devoted to bodybuilding at the moment, but I have wanted a 405 deadlift for quite some time now. My old max was 385. 375 actually felt pretty heavy and I had my reservations about pushing it further. But I didn't feel like I was going to break anything so I gave it a shot and I am sure glad I did. Goal achieved!

Only problem I had is that I felt my head was going to explode on the last two heavy sets. Overall I am really pleased with the workout.

 

[Purdue Power]

A comment on your title "When I lost control, I like it"....I am going through the same as of late on my Prop/Tren cycle. The anabolics coupled with restricted carbs has provided for low tolerance and has been testing my restraint. I have really been enjoying being pissed at people. It is a nice departure from my normally mild mannered, pleasant demeaner.

 

[Cardinal]

I definitely took that quote from the Hulk. I figured it was a pretty ideal title for a cycle like the one we are doing. I was kind of hoping I would be more of an asshole on this cycle, but it didn't totally pan out. If I tried to cut out carbs, I would definitely just start breaking shit.

I am way more edgy on low carbs than I ever have been on anabolics. I just like the way I feel on Tren.

 

[Cardinal]

July 14, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Cardio

Elliptical 106:00 1500 kcals

Notes

Making a few minor dietary adjustments. I have been hungry for fruit lately, so I am going to go with more blackberry/blueberry protein shakes, hood oj, apples,bananas etc + lean meats. Will try to get calories down around 3000. I'll see where they fall and track them a little closer for the next week or so.

 

[Cardinal]

July 15, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Workout

HS High Row 140x10, 180x10, 220x8
Curls 60x10, 65x5, 55x7, 50x7
Wrist Curls 30x2x9

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00 925 kcals

Notes

Strength seems to still be going up a little. Hit a PR on curls. Form was kind of sloppy but definitely I was stronger.

 

[Cardinal]

July 17, 2005

Bodyweight: 237

Workout

Incline 215x3x5
DB OH Press 65x2x8
Tricep Pushdowns 30x2x10, 40x9
DB Laterals 30x8, 35x10

Notes

Skipped cardio today on account of work. I have about 1 week left on cycle (I am setting deadline to go off). I feel like it is a good time to stay at maintenance for awhile.

 

[Pirate!]

Let us know what your final waist measurement is...

 

[Cardinal]

Pirate: Sure will do. This morning it was a conservative 38.75". I am hoping when I finally stop my cycle that it will move down a bit closer to 38". I still feel like I am leaning out but it has been pretty slow of late.

 

[Cardinal]

July 18, 2005

Bodyweight: 241
Waist: 38.75"

Workout

Squat 135x8, 155x8, 185x8, 215x8, 225x8, 235x5, 245x5

Cardio

Elliptical 30:00, 425 kcals
Bowling 60:00, fun but not really cardio

Notes

First time squatting heavy (for me) in awhile. 245 actually felt pretty good. If I can hit 250 or 255 next time I will pretty much be as strong as I have ever been on every exercise I train (or damn close).

 

[Cardinal]

July 19, 2005

Bodyweight: 238

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00

 

[Cardinal]

July 20, 2005

Bodyweight: 239

Workout

HS High Row 200x8, 240x8, 260x6, 280x3
Curls 60x9, 65x5, 50x7, 50x7
HS Low Row 200x8, 300x5, 280x8

Cardio

Elliptical 50:00

 

[Pirate!]

I'm still surprised that you haven't lost more weight on this cycle. Don't take this as critisism, Cardinal, but I think this is a good example of how important a proper diet is. I believe with the exercise routine and drugs that you have been using, you could have lost 20 lbs of fat on this cycle. It looks like the cycle is coming to end, and what matters most is that you are satisfied with the results. For me, the journey is more important than arriving at my destination, and it sounds like you had a good time and our happy with your progress. I'm happy for you, Bro. Peace...

 

[Cardinal]

Pirate You are absolutely right. I most definitely could have lost 20 lbs of fat in the time frame I have been on. The only modification that I would have needed to make would be to lower calories by about 1500 each day. Very true.

However, although I do think that it is very reasonable to lose 20 lbs of fat on this cycle, I don't think the bodyweight loss would have needed to be much more substantial than it has been. What I am taking is really anabolic and I did expect to keep most of my actual bodyweight. Until the last two weeks, I was losing bodyfat exceptionally fast (for me) while keeping all my weight pretty much. Keep in mind that when I go off I will likely lose some weight. I am guessing a good 5 lbs right as the esters clear my system.

Thanks for the feedback Pirate. It is always appreciated.

 

[Cardinal]

July 21, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Workout

Bench 185x10, 225x5, 245x5, 275x1 (PR)
Incline 205x7, 205x8 (w/help)
Crossovers 20x10, 25x10, 35x10, 20x10
HS Decline 120x9
HS Incline 180x6

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00, 923 kcals

Notes

Had a good workout partner today, so I went for a max on bench. Got 275 pretty easily. I figure I might be good for 280-285 if I did things properly re: warmups etc. Good day overall. Skipped Tris and will hit them in a few days.

 

[Cardinal]

July 22, 2005

Bodyweight: 240
Waist: 38.6"

Cardio

Elliptical 100:00 1450 kcals

 

[Cardinal]

July 23, 2005

Bodyweight: 240

Workout

Squats 135x6, 185x6, 225x5, 255x5, 225x10
Leg Extensions 160x8, 200x8, 240x8

Cardio

Elliptical 48:00, 700 kcals

Notes

Alright. Did my last injection yesterday and I am going to start pct in about 4.5 days or so. 260x5 was my old 5RM on squats. 255x5 was pretty easy, so I feel confident I am at my strongest. My strength nearly always falls off quite dramatically about 1-2 weeks into pct. Hopefully this won't be the case now, but I am not expecting anything new. I ran the Tren 9+ weeks and gave my strength plenty of time to stabilize, so maybe it will be a bit more keepable.

 

[Cardinal]

July 24, 2005

Bodyweight: 235
Waist: 38.25"

Workout

JM Press 135x8, 155x8, 175x6
Modified Tates 45x6, 55x6, 65x4, 60x5
Pushdowns 40x9, 30x3x10
Curls 60x9, 60x7
Hammer Curls 50x8
C Curls 45x2x8, 50x5
Wrist Curls 3 sets

Cardio

Elliptical 65:00 925 kcals

Notes

Dropped about 5 lbs overnight. I definitely look better in the mirror. Strength still up, good pumps in the gym and definitely still feeling really good overall.

 

[jeb]

I'm following your Journal as well Cardinal, I will do a cycle of 75mg/eod Tren only with 50mg of proviron, I'm also very prone to MBP as well specially on my test cycles, I take the same as you, spirolactone, nizoral shampoo minox and finasteride works O.K. for me, that's why right now i'm doing this tren cylce by itself to see how I react to it, Mudge seems to love tren/prop cycles though, he doesn't have those hairloss sides from test or any other aas I wish i could have the same body "reaction" to the aas as him and other bros. anyhow it looks like you have done real good on this tren/prop cycle huh? that's good bro I hope everything ends up good for you.

 

[Cardinal]

Jeb,

Thanks for the feedback. I considered running Tren by itself and did for a couple of weeks in this cycle. For me, tren by itself might have led to more total weightloss (or maybe its just the water retention from SD and Test Prop that is leading me to believe that).

I wholeheartedly agree with you about our reaction to Test. Hair loss can be quite tough to counteract even with all the products out there on the market today. I wish it were the other way around and I got no sides from Test and all kinds of problems with Tren.

I will have lost 3" + off of my waistline, which leaves me looking pretty normal and feeling plenty confident about my overall appearance. I am hoping to get down to about 220 eventually. Maybe by then I will be ready to give another good lean bulker a go. But I am going to have to experiment and see how I can get all the hair I have lost back in full force first. That is now priority one. I can tackle the gyno problem easily enough I feel for it not to be a big concern, but I do not wish to be bald. Would negate a lot of my efforts in some respects hehe.

 

[Cardinal]

July 26, 2005

Bodyweight: 235
Waist: 38" :cheers:

Workout

Deadlifts 135x8, 225x6, 275x6, 315x7, 295x8
HS Low Rows 200x8, 260x2x8

Cardio

Elliptical 42:00, 600 kcals

Notes

Toning down the cardio a little bit. I am going to watch the scale and if more weight starts to drop, I will add calories big time. I am probably at about 4500 kcals/day now. I am really liking how much leaner I look after dropping 3/4 of an inch off the waist in what appears to be about a week now.

As luck would have it (and I am not complaining about being with a ridiculously hot girl), I will probably be fairly active this weekend. So I ordered some stuff from IBE (Vitamin C, Vitamin V, and clomid) and will probably make use of the last two as libido is quite low at the moment compared to what it was while I was on. May also get maca, tribulus and zma but that would just be overkill hehe.

 

[Cardinal]

July 28, 2005

Bodyweight: 236.5

Workout

Bench 185x3x10
DB OH Press 70x9, 70x7, 70x7
Tates 40x12
Crossovers 25x8, 35x2x10
HS Tricep 60x10, 70x8, 80x2x8
HS Incline 160x10, 180x8, 200x2x5
Abs 100x3x5, 50x6

Cardio

Elliptical 45:00 685 kcals

Notes

I used a bit lighter weight today, but my strength really hasn't started to drop off much yet. Have been eating more, which left me with about 1/5 inch more around the waist and a few pounds heavier. Not complaining.

 

[Cardinal]

July 29, 2005

Bodyweight: 233

Workout

Squats 205x5, 225x5, 245x5, 225x7
Leg Extensions 4 sets

Cardio

Elliptical 40:00

Notes

Some of the CNS stimulation is already going away. Lost about 10 lbs on my squat. Endurance is very high on cardio. Definitely really happy about the cardiovascular effects of doing the elliptical nearly every day since May whatever. Physique overall is looking a bit softer after being off of Tren for awhile now. Libido not where I would like it to be.