When to take Lean System 7?

[Tha Don]

It says on the packet, take 30 mins prior to meals/exercise on an empty stomach

So should I take this after my pre workout meal 30 mins before i exercise, or 30 mins before my pre workout meal?

or should i move my pre workout meal so its an hour before my exercise then take the LS7 30 mins b4 i workout

another thing, i'm stacking this with ErgoLean, but they are to be taken at different times (1 with food, 1 without), should i take them quite close together? (like LS7 before meal 2, and Ergo with meal 2), or futher apart (like LS7 before meal 2, Ergo with meal 3, LS7 with meal 5 etc...)

thanks

 

[Pirate!]

As I am the one the recommed this stack to you, I'll try to help. It is unecessary to take the LS7 on an empty stomach. Any stimulant will kick in faster if you take it that way, and help control appetite. However, the fat burning effects are the same either way. You can take both the LS7 and ErgoLean at the same time or seperate with food or empty stomach. It doesn't matter. You don't have to alter your preworkout meal. The only reason it says to take 30 min before exercise is so you will have more energy for more exercise. I hope that answers your questions. I was just wondering about you and how your progress has been with these supps. Are you just starting to use them?

 

[Tha Don]

yep just starting them today

okay this is my plan...

Meal 1 - Whey and Oats + MultiVit

LS7 (A)

Meal 2 - Tuna Salad + Apple + CLA

LS7 (B)

Meal 3 - Pre Workout Meal or Chicken/Salmon/Ham Salad + ErgoLean

LS7 (A)

Meal 4 - Pre Workout Meal or Chicken/Salmon/Ham Salad + CLA

LS7 (B)

Meal 5 - Dinner + ErgoLean

Meal 6 - Bedtime Snack + CLA + EFA supp. (as soon as i get it)


would it be better to take LS7 at A or at B? dose the rest of this plan look okay to you? also should i take both ergolean on the morning or earlier on as it contains caffeine, or is it okay with my dinner

sorry, its hard coz the time i workout will vary from day to day depending when i have other commitments, but i know if i don't plan when to take them i will forget/skip taking them or end up taking them all in the evening when i really don't want to take them

thanks

 

[Tha Don]

ah don't worry bout the LS7 question i'll go with plan A, as it will get them taken faster and on days when i'm lifting late my BMR will be raised in the morning so i will still be burning cals throughout the day, just need to know about the ErgoLean timing and the rest of the plan? when do you take your supps when doing this stack?

 

[Pirate!]

Take the ErgoLean like the directions say. Morning and early afternoon. Don't take them as late as dinner because of the caffeine. Same goes with LS7. I don't know why you are using CLA on a cut. No post-workout meal/shake? Is that what meal 4 should be?

 

[Tha Don]

okay some news 4 ya...

i've stopped the CLA till after my cut, i will use it when i start bulking again to perserve the lean-ness

i'm taking ergo with meal 1
LS7 before meal 2
ergo with meal 3/4
and LS7 before meal 4/5
(plus i picked up some flax oil for meal 6 (before bed), 1 tsp ok?)

I do most DEFINATLY have a PWO shake (i just forgot to include it in that plan), 40g malto and 60g carbs at the moment, is that okay or should i lower it to a 1-2 ratio so 30carbs-60proteins?

so far i'm on day 3, feeling very hungry but i guess that is because i'm not eating any carbs now. Would you recommend having any carbs after a heavy weights session or not? I mean will the carbs go towards the muscle for repair or will i just be countering the fat buring?

thanks pirate

 

[redspy]

It's very important to ingest carbohydrates post workout as well as protein. I usually aim for a 3:1 ratio of carbs/protein. The carbs are the key to spiking insulin. Studies show that insulin increases net protein balance in three ways: 1) it increases amino acid transport into the muscle, 2) it stimulates the enzymes that make protein from amino acids, and 3) it reduces the breakdown of protein.

When carbohydrates and protein are taken together after a workout, insulin release is much greater than when protein is taken alone and it acts as a kind of fuel injector that drives protein synthesis.

 

[Tha Don]

so use a 3:1 ratio even when cutting?

so if i take 40g of whey i need 120g of carbs?

 

[LAM]

so use a 3:1 ratio even when cutting?

so if i take 40g of whey i need 120g of carbs?

personally I use 1:1 or 2:1 when cutting and use whole oats for carbs. I know that it is not "optimum" for anabolism but since insulin is not being spiked insulin sensitivity will still be elevated for hours after the training session. this way you can safely replenish muscle glycogen stores with several meals that contain low GI carbs in the meals after the training session.

 

[Pirate!]

If your diet calls for serious carb restriction, then most of your day's carbs should be in your post-workout shake. There are lots of studies backing up the 3:1 ratio for optimum anabolism. If you don't have adequate carbs after intense training your body will burn more existing muscle to covert to glucose. During calorie restriction, catabolim is something you want to work hard to prevent. Post-workout is not the time to skimp on carbs if you want to keep your muscle. The dosing of your supps is fine if it isn't interfering with your sleep. You should take omega-3s unless you eat fish daily, IMO.

 

[redspy]

so use a 3:1 ratio even when cutting?

so if i take 40g of whey i need 120g of carbs?

The 3:1 ratio might be a little extreme if you're cutting, however, the 45 min window after lifting is the most critical time for transforming your body from a catabolic state to an anabolic state. I don't know what your carb allowance is, but I'd recommend a good proportion to be ingested in this 45 minute window to optimize your gains and aid recovery. JMO.

 

[Tha Don]

thanks guys

well i guess i was making a big mistake before with my pwo shake, i have always used 1:1 to 2:1 even when bulking, so i'll definatly up that to 3:1 on a bulk, maybe stay at around 2:1 while cutting

i eat tuna daily, and salmon probably 1 in every 2-3 days, is omega 3 in flax seed oil or not? if not i will be pissed coz i could have got that H&B EFA blend instead!

 

[Pirate!]

If you eat that much fish you don't need to supplement O-3s. Without getting technical, flax does provide some O-3s but not as much of the two most important kinds of O-3s. It is still worth taking. 2:1 carb to protein will fine on a cut.