When you realize nothing matters...

[Thee_One]

Simplify.

That is all.

 

[LAM]

You may well be right. It nearly happened not that long ago while in an eager attempt to find answers. I realise there is a reality that exists outside our minds however it is not the reality that we have become accustomed to. I also realise that consciousness is subjective yet the seperation of things within this universe and possibly beyond is a man made illusion.

If consciousness was not a fundamental law of nature then it couldn't exist.
How can something as material as matter give rise to something as non-material as an experience or an emotion?

Consciousness is where the greatest mysteries of existence can be found and there's a good reason why science can't explain it let alone locate it and analyse it. It's non-material and science can only explain material based problems. It will never solve the hard problem of consciousness using its current methodology.


You know as well as I do that if you break the material world down to its quantum level in no longer exists. It's nothing more than energy and we can change the behaviour of this energy by simply observing it.

Quantum physics is also a dead end for science. They've broken the material world down as far as they can and have inevitably come to grinding hault.

that being said what role do you think that the conservation of energy plays in the higher plains of existence?

 

[maniclion]

"Jimi blew the Atlas off it's Axis and there we were floating as Outsiders in a Brave New World. 1984 of Hannibals men marched upon Utopia with malcontent between their First Five but the Proud Highway sang Songs of the Doomed until Timequaked and A Singular Man rose from the Rye to Catch a glimpse of The Big Money drowning in the Tropic of Cancer sifting through the ashes On The Road eating a Naked Lunch of scarabs dipped in a Solipsists Requiem while sipping on Dreams poured from the Electric Gypsies Voodoo Soup ladle. But the Buffalo Roam where Las Vegas' Skinny Legs And All give way to the Fear and Loathing of falling Half Asleep in Frog Pajamas. No One Gets Out of Here Alive so I Shrugged. Our Kingdom of Fear has lost it's kings."
•By ManicLion sometime in this 21st Century Ano Domini

 

[BillHicksFan]

that being said what role do you think that the conservation of energy plays in the higher plains of existence?

Energy and consciousness seem to be the only constants in reality. Material objects are always temporary and will forever change form for an eternity as it has done so for an eternity. As we exist in an eternal world this also makes it clear that even time is a made made concept and cannot exist when looking at the big picture.

For example: If you think back to a vivid memory that you have kept since your childhood you may be able to remember this memory as if it were there only yesterday. However, the material version of who you were back then no longer exists as you are no longer made up of any atoms that were a part of your material body back when you were a child. Energy flows though everything and is consistently changing form.

Also, as we live in an eternal cycle you cannot mark a point on the eternal timeline where you happened to exist. The timeline has no beginning and no end therefore time itself is a fallacy.

The fact that we have the ability change the behaviour of quantum particles by observing them seems to demonstrate an ability to influence the behaviour of the energy that exists outside our minds, or it displays a level of consciousness within the energy field that make up the atomic world. I don't pretend to understand it just as scientists don't pretend to understand it.

Science is based on finding predictability within nature and the only thing predictable about quantum physics is that it's completely unpredictable.

Humans have a natural tendency to separate themselves from their environment and they label everything within their environment. This process serves us well in terms of trying to survive however it works against us when trying to understand the grand scale of existence that is unity or oneness.

We should be careful not to get trapped inside a human perspective when trying to understand things that go far beyond the human mind's capacity and of course, as humans, this is extremely difficult to do.

My question is: Is there such thing as an ultimate truth or is reality purely subjective to the conscoius observer whatever it may be.

Both science and religion do their best to explain creation however they speak of creation as if it's something that happened in the past.
I don't believe that creation ever starts, nor stops. It's eternal.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Excuse the edits. This phone keeps losing signal

 

[withoutrulers]

This is why entropy is the only God. Go forth and worship destruction.

 

[awhites1]

This whole thread is supergay

 

[BillHicksFan]

This whole thread is supergay

It is now that you're here.

 

[awhites1]

It is now that you're here.

Dont make fun of me meanie

 

[awhites1]

sarcasm doesn't really translate well over the internet, also inside jokes that you have with only your friends that no one else would understand also don't translate well. so i failed. i'll leave you alone

 

[Chubby]

Energy and consciousness seem to be the only constants in reality. Material objects are always temporary and will forever change form for an eternity as it has done so for an eternity. As we exist in an eternal world this also makes it clear that even time is a made made concept and cannot exist when looking at the big picture.

For example: If you think back to a vivid memory that you have kept since your childhood you may be able to remember this memory as if it were there only yesterday. However, the material version of who you were back then no longer exists as you are no longer made up of any atoms that were a part of your material body back when you were a child. Energy flows though everything and is consistently changing form.

Also, as we live in an eternal cycle you cannot mark a point on the eternal timeline where you happened to exist. The timeline has no beginning and no end therefore time itself is a fallacy.

The fact that we have the ability change the behaviour of quantum particles by observing them seems to demonstrate an ability to influence the behaviour of the energy that exists outside our minds, or it displays a level of consciousness within the energy field that make up the atomic world. I don't pretend to understand it just as scientists don't pretend to understand it.

Science is based on finding predictability within nature and the only thing predictable about quantum physics is that it's completely unpredictable.

Humans have a natural tendency to separate themselves from their environment and they label everything within their environment. This process serves us well in terms of trying to survive however it works against us when trying to understand the grand scale of existence that is unity or oneness.

We should be careful not to get trapped inside a human perspective when trying to understand things that go far beyond the human mind's capacity and of course, as humans, this is extremely difficult to do.

My question is: Is there such thing as an ultimate truth or is reality purely subjective to the conscoius observer whatever it may be.

Both science and religion do their best to explain creation however they speak of creation as if it's something that happened in the past.
I don't believe that creation ever starts, nor stops. It's eternal.

Interesting point, Bill. The Ultimate truth means the way things truly are. Conventional truth means the way things appear, I think. It is like difference between appearance and reality.

 

[Crono1000]

^^Carl Sagan is a major role model to me and an asset to humanity. He took the atheist approach to combat christian fundamentalism yet he was agnostic in regards to the ultimate truth. He expressed his doubts and opinions in interviews and in his series "Cosmos" which can be found on YouTube.

Amazing guy.

I was going to rep this post but apparently I've overrepped you for all the porn and can't.

 

[BillHicksFan]

Dont make fun of me meanie

We need a sarcasm text option. I usually post that coffee icon when I'm being sarcastic but that's an in house joke that only I'm aware of and I often come off as being a rude prick.

Interesting point, Bill. The Ultimate truth means the way things truly are. Conventional truth means the way things appear, I think. It is like difference between appearance and reality.

Youre right. A crude example (you need you imagination here) would be kinda like a conscious audio and visual experiencing computer monitor studying its motherboard in an attempt to understand the Internet (or where the information is coming from). It's not going to find it although it certainly exists somewhere as data and information that needs to be decoded and projected onto a screen before it makes any kind of sense. As we are walking, talking receivers of information we are the monitors in this example.
The monitor's experience is the final result of a massive amount of information that is beyond it's comprehension.
All it knows is it's own experience and cannot ever locate where the information is coming from because the source of information doesn't exist in its material world.
I'm not claiming to know anything. I'm just asking questions and trying to think out the circle to get a better understanding of what existence is.

Either that or I'm completely insane.

I was going to rep this post but apparently I've overrepped you for all the porn and can't.

I'm sure it was all "Sagan approved" porn.

 

[maniclion]

I don't know why the wink emoticon hasn't. caught on universally as the sarcasm indicator....you idiots should start the trend

 

[BillHicksFan]

I don't know why the wink emoticon hasn't. caught on universally as the sarcasm indicator....you idiots should start the trend

It's because it's often associated with being extremely gay I would think.

 

[jagbender]

humans simply cannot comprehend our own existance.

 

[Chubby]

You may well be right. It nearly happened not that long ago while in an eager attempt to find answers. I realise there is a reality that exists outside our minds however it is not the reality that we have become accustomed to. I also realise that consciousness is subjective yet the seperation of things within this universe and possibly beyond is a man made illusion.

These are wonderful websites to exchange ideas about philosophy.
ILovePhilosophy.com • Index page
Spiritual Humanism Forum • Index page
Religious Education Forum - Discuss, Compare and Debate Religions in Our Online Community

 

[BillHicksFan]

Just for the record, my close call with death was purely an accident and unexpected but it's a long story.

I'll check out some of those links although I do research quite a lot.

Spirituality has something to offer I believe. Through various means, I have had some personal experiences (before my shave with death) that were unexpected, powerful and well worth investigating with an open mind. What I found was that these elements of our reality are the same things thst have science baffled about the human mind as they know it exists however they cannot locate it or explain the purpose for its existence.
Through research I found that these elements are all intimately related with one another. Some eastern cultures today, right back to past civilisations such as the "true" Egyptians not only had a high level of knowledge of these topics but regarded it as the most important knowledge of all.

I can understand why people dismiss these things as pure nonsense though. The art of reconnecting with yourself is a difficult process that takes work. Plus if your not asking the questions, you're not gonna receive any answers.