which physique would you rather have?

[Doublebase]

5' 10" is average, not tall. tall is 6' and above. IMO. I am 23 and I think I grew about an inch in the last year but I'm not sure. My gf seems to think I look taller.

 

[Cowbell]

I will take that cookie!

 

[clemson357]

lol, dude stop being bitter. just because your 16 y/o girlfriend calls you 'big' and says you have big arms or whatever doesn't mean we're gonna stroke your ego. i remember your pictures, you're skinny but you had like 10% bodyfat. whoopdy fuckin doo, your skinny let me go get you a cookie...maybe you'll grow.

Actually I am 22. And my bf is closer to 7 or 8%. What do you look like? probably a fat couch potato like premier who thinks he is big because he has a layer of fat surrounding his arms. I gained like 6 lbs. of lean muscle in the past 2 mo.'s, that puts me around 180. I've got good definition, and at this rate I'll be benching 300+ by Christmas. If you think that is 'skinny' you are just a meat head. I never said I was big, but I know I have a good muscular physique.

My buddy is 5'11'', 140. Now that is skinny.



Also, I'd like to point out that Premier started getting personal first. It usually takes a lot for me to insult people.

 

[GFR]

Actually I am 22. And my bf is closer to 7 or 8%. What do you look like? probably a fat couch potato like premier who thinks he is big because he has a layer of fat surrounding his arms. I gained like 6 lbs. of lean muscle in the past 2 mo.'s, that puts me around 180. I've got good definition, and at this rate I'll be benching 300+ by Christmas. If you think that is 'skinny' you are just a meat head. I never said I was big, but I know I have a good muscular physique.

My buddy is 5'11'', 140. Now that is skinny.



Also, I'd like to point out that Premier started getting personal first. It usually takes a lot for me to insult people.

I put on 15 Lbs of lean muscle on the last 2 months

 

[DeadBolt]

I put on 15 Lbs of lean muscle on the last 2 months

Haha got ya beat I put on 16....

You guys need a life then arguing on the internet on who has the best body....sounds a little gay to me sometimes guys. Lets get real and just man up and deal with your body. No one gives a shit about what ya look like!

 

[GFR]

Haha got ya beat I put on 16....

You guys need a life then arguing on the internet on who has the best body....sounds a little gay to me sometimes guys. Lets get real and just man up and deal with your body. No one gives a shit about what ya look like!

I was lying so you win...
Now go get a life.

 

[Cowbell]

Actually I am 22. And my bf is closer to 7 or 8%. What do you look like?

Sorry, I dont know why but I thought it was boyfriend the first time I read it for some reason
My bad!

My buddy is 5'11'', 140. Now that is skinny.

Just rub it in why dont you

 

[PreMier]

I did. Thats what I'm talking about. A fatbox like you shouldn't be talking shit to people who actually have definition. You think you are the shit because you were born with a barrell chest and broad shoulders. I know guys who look like you and don't even workout. I was born skinny and worked for every pound of muscle I have. I have a lot more definition, and I guarantee you I am stronger relative to body weight.

lmao.. man, your a retard clemson. I never insulted you, I just said you werent built at 170, and thats the truth. Oh, and btw I worked my ass off for everything I have. At 19 yrs old, I was 5'8" and 160lbs(check the pic, I have no shame from where I came).. then I found IM, got smart, and grew. So dont give me that "But I had to work hard bullshit". Im 22 now, and about 14% bf.. at 212, so what?

Oh, and its funny that you say your stronger relatively.. because smaller lighter people will always be stronger LB for LB. Thats the way gravity works, heavier weights are heavier and harder to move no matter how big you are. But you'll never be able to move weight like a bigger person. Do as Yanick suggests and EAT.

 

[clemson357]

lmao.. man, your a retard clemson. I never insulted you.

define 'below average intelligence' - insult someone then immediately insist that you never have.


I don't really care anymore. I wouldn't trade bodies with you for a million dollars, and I am sure you feel the same way. Personally what impresses me (and I think most people) is defined muscles first, then strengh, then mass. You seem to be the other way around. Also, when I say well built I mean muscular; not big. If I mean big, I say big. Someone can be well built, or well-put-together, at almost any weight, IMO.

 

[Cowbell]

Guys...you better quite or I am going to separate you 2 and stick you both in a corner!

 

[clemson357]

Oh, and its funny that you say your stronger relatively.. because smaller lighter people will always be stronger LB for LB. Thats the way gravity works, heavier weights are heavier and harder to move no matter how big you are. But you'll never be able to move weight like a bigger person....

btw, that makes absolutely no sense. strength should always be considered relative to bodyweight. a smaller person is not always stronger pound for pound. My buddy is 30 lbs. lighter than me and he can't even bench his bodyweight.

you might be able so bench 300 lbs, but if you weigh 290 then it is nothing to brag about. someone weighing 180 lbs benching 290 is much more noteworthy.

 

[Yanick]

btw, that makes absolutely no sense. strength should always be considered relative to bodyweight. a smaller person is not always stronger pound for pound. My buddy is 30 lbs. lighter than me and he can't even bench his bodyweight.

you might be able so bench 300 lbs, but if you weigh 290 then it is nothing to brag about. someone weighing 180 lbs benching 290 is much more noteworthy.

dude i can't believe you're still dwelling on this. sorry we bruised your ego, but your not big...maybe you're muscular or w/e but not big.

PreMier is right, heavier weight is harder to move period. the strongest person in the world was that little hercules kid, he benched like 210 at a bw of 70 or someshit, impressive but thats not big weight really...thats what PreMier means that lighter people have the advantage in lb for lb contests.

 

[clemson357]

no, people who are more muscular and ripped have the advantage. it has nothing to do with your actually weight. there are people who weigh 120 lbs who can do 25 pull ups, and there are people who weigh 300 who can do it.

to say that strength relative to bodyweight isn't a good indicator because small people have an advantage is absurd

 

[Dale Mabry]

Strength is related to cross-sectional area, unfortunately volume is more related to weight and has no bearing on strength save for the cross-sectional area. So, if you have 2 people that have 17" biceps and one of them has longer biceps, they will be capable of producing the same amount of force in a bicep curl. Problem is, the person with the longer arm will be creating more torque around the joint because the moment arm of the force is greater, so the same weight will be more difficult and the longer-limbed individual will be doing more work. The person with the longer arm will also typically weigh more assuming all body parts are in proportion.

I like to define strength in terms of work, not just the weight being lifted, that levels the playing field.

 

[Dale Mabry]

no, people who are more muscular and ripped have the advantage. it has nothing to do with your actually weight. there are people who weigh 120 lbs who can do 25 pull ups, and there are people who weigh 300 who can do it.

to say that strength relative to bodyweight isn't a good indicator because small people have an advantage is absurd

But it is 100% true, look it up. It is so true that they made formulas to take that into consideration.

 

[P-funk]

Being a smaller guy I see where Clemson is coming from. I mean honestly, if someone wasy 290lbs and can barely bench press their BW it is really hard for me to give them any props whatsoever. However, no matter what lifting big weights is impressive. I will always give props to anyone that can do something like double their BW in a bench press no matter what they weigh. Little Hercules gets a ton of props for putting up 210 at a BW of 70lbs. I know that it is not BIG weight like say a 600lb bench press but still it is friggin incredible. I am quick to give out props for great feats of strength no matter what the body weight.

However, I give no props to guys that are lean and muscular at 150lbs with very little strength to show for it. I could careless if you are ripped at 165lbs. That is not impressive to me. If you are strong at 165lbs I give you props.

 

[buildingup]

i want a beer belly, how does one attain this great physique?

 

[Dale Mabry]

Little Hercules gets a ton of props for putting up 210 at a BW of 70lbs.

I saw video of that, he did it with an EZ curl bar and the spotter yanked it off his chest.

Anyone who can bench twice their BW gets mad props from me.

 

[P-funk]

I saw video of that, he did it with an EZ curl bar and the spotter yanked it off his chest.

Anyone who can bench twice their BW gets mad props from me.

Oh, I never saw it. I just heard about it.

Yea, benching or even squating or deadlifting double your BW is a great feat IMO.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I am liking these olymic lifts more and more. I like the fact that form plays more of a role in them than say the bench press. Sure form is important in the bench, but you need to control less than say a clean. I would like to hit 1.5x my weight for a clean.

 

[P-funk]

I am liking these olymic lifts more and more. I like the fact that form plays more of a role in them than say the bench press. Sure form is important in the bench, but you need to control less than say a clean. I would like to hit 1.5x my weight for a clean.

Yes, form is a huge part of it. Technique is everything and the slightest bit off in timing means a missed lift.

 

[clemson357]

But it is 100% true, look it up. It is so true that they made formulas to take that into consideration.

look, I understand what you are saying about torque and limb length, but that does not equate to "smaller" or "lighter." A thicker person is going to do better than someone with the same cross sectional area but longer limbs, that is true. But what I am saying is that a person can be thick at any bodyweight. Therefore, a "small" person does not have an advantage pound for pound just because he is smaller or lighter.

 

[Cowbell]

I am torn. I agree with clem because I am small (weighed 135 in high school benching 170...currently 150 benching ?) and I could out lift or lift with people a lot significantly bigger than me...I had a harder time with bench due to my size but I kept up or passed in other stuff. I also agree with Dale about length of limbs because we had fat short guys pushing heavy weight but they did not have to move it as far.

Overall: P-funk, you are my boy....

I am quick to give out props for great feats of strength no matter what the body weight.

who cares what you weigh...just because you are 180 does not mean you dont work as hard as a 300...and just because you are 300 does not mean you didnt bust your ass to get there.

 

[Cowbell]

besides, you dont bust your ass off at the gym for other people, you do it for yourself. Just keep doing your thing and stop worrying about what other people think. As long as you know you are giving everything you have who freaking cares how much weight you can throw up as long as you are happy.

 

[Roy Dee]

hooj man hoooj!!

 

[clemson357]

hooj man hoooj!!

welcome to the forum.

 

[Dale Mabry]

look, I understand what you are saying about torque and limb length, but that does not equate to "smaller" or "lighter." A thicker person is going to do better than someone with the same cross sectional area but longer limbs, that is true. But what I am saying is that a person can be thick at any bodyweight. Therefore, a "small" person does not have an advantage pound for pound just because he is smaller or lighter.

No, you miss my point.

Say 2 people have 18" biceps, but one person's arms are 15 inches in length and the others is 20 inches in length. They are both able to generate the same amount of force. Let's forget moment arm and torque. Whose arm will weigh more? Obviously the dude whose arm is longer will weigh more so the lighter person has the advantage. So, the smaller dude will be able to generate the same amount of force at a lighter weight, so lb/lb he is stronger. Hence, people with shorter limbs and that weigh less have a natural advantage since force is only related to cross-sectional area, not length of the muscle. Coincidentally, people with longer limbs are able to achieve greater speed of movement.

 

[P-funk]

Large or small. tall or short. if you are strong you are strong if you are a fucking BOX you are a fucking BOX (no matter how ripped you are). Deal with it.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Large or small. tall or short. if you are strong you are strong if you are a fucking BOX you are a fucking BOX (no matter how ripped you are). Deal with it.

How tall are you again?

 

[myMUSICveins]

I voted Big. Huge looks good, but not for me.