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solid10 said:
Heres a bit of the baseball payroll for 2003.

1--New York Yankees $180,322,403, 2--New York Mets 116,253,927, 5--Boston 104,873,607

Holy shit, the Mets have a higher payroll than the Sox? :lol:
 
Flex said:
so what he hangs with his posse and supports them? what's wrong with that? that's where he's from. he's from the ghetto, made it out, makes a shitload of money, and looks after his friends and family. Legal problems in college? With regards to athletes, Who hasn't?


and you think he cares about parking tickets? he's a millionaire.

put yourself in hish position. (i hope) you'd take care of your friends. you WOULDN'T care if people thought you were a thug. you wouldn't care about parking tickets..
Oh yeah, because he 's from the ghetto, its an excuse. NO. It is NOT an excuse. You are a typical apologist who give people like him free rides because they were "underprivileged". There are many other people, like myself, who had the same "underprivileged" problem and still became productive, law abiding, respective people by doing things right such as not hanging with the criminal element, gangs and drug dealers in the neighborhood, going to school and getting good grades.

So I am not giving him any special treatment. He is an illiterate thug who if he wasn't a gifted athlete would be in jail or dead by now.

Many people care about the tickets in this city because among other things it sends the wrong message to all the kids ( misguided as they are) who idolize him and then seem to think, if he can do it, why can't I.

And if you don't think he'd cut your throat and those of all you fawning fans and jock strap sniffers who fill the seats, buy the Reeboks and pay his salary (and smile while he was doing it), take a listen to the rap recording he made a few years ago that got him in all kinds of trouble with the NBA.
 
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Reggie Miller. Dirtiest and Biggest bitch in NBA history.

I swear he's gay. I loathe him.
 
The same thing applies to thugs across the board. A few boxers come to mind.
 
Egoatdoor said:
Oh yeah, because he 's from the ghetto, its an excuse. NO. It is NOT an excuse. You are a typical apologist who give people like him free rides because they were "underprivileged". There are many other people, like myself, who had the same "underprivileged" problem and still became productive, law abiding, respective people by doing things right such as not hanging with the criminal element, gangs and drug dealers in the neighborhood, going to school and getting good grades.

So I am not giving him any special treatment. He is an illiterate thug who if he wasn't a gifted athlete would be in jail or dead by now.

Many people care about the tickets in this city because among other things it sends the wrong message to all the kids ( misguided as they are) who idolize him and then seem to think, if he can do it, why can't I.

And if you don't think he'd cut your throat and those of all you fawning fans and jock strap sniffers who fill the seats, buy the Reeboks and pay his salary (and smile while he was doing it), take a listen to the rap recording he made a few years ago that got him in all kinds of trouble with the NBA.

Man, you're so misguided its RIDICULOUS.

I don't even like the guy, so i'm not defending him. But what i AM defending is how you can judge his personality and his "thug" lifestyle.

You're talking about PARKING TICKETS. Oh my god, man. Listen to yourself. Kobe Bryant was a perfectly law abiding citizen, but he fucked a chick and she said it was rape. We're talking parking tickets. What about drugs....ie Jamal Lewis, Micheal Irvin, Darryl Strawberry and that Dallas Cowboys guy who got caught TWICE in one week with like 60lbs of weed in his trunk. What about violence? OJ killing his wife, Randy Moss runnign over a meter maid, Tyson beating up guys all the time.

Again, you're complaining about parking tickets? that just makes me laugh. And cut my throat? Are you even trying to be serious? Have you ever listened to rap? Alls they talk about is violence you egghead. Thats what people rap about, and Iverson rapped, so put 2 and 2 together. Oh, but its not just rap. Its heavy metal too. they talk about killing people. But do they actually go through with it? Eminem talks so much shit in his music, does he go out and kill people?

My main point is, your ridiculous for judging how the guy dresses, who he hangs out with, how he spends his money, and how he doesn't pay PARKING TICKETS. Parking tickets? "Many people care about the tickets because it sends the wrong message to kids?????????????????????????"

What about violence? drugs? poverty? disease? theft? I'm sure the people of Philidelphia worry about those MUCH more than Parking tickets.

Man, i can't help but laugh.....
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you are misguided. The law is the law. A law breaker starts with minor offenses and if they get away with it, they graduate to stronger offenses.

The young adult who kills someone (and it could be you) often starts by shoplifting as a teen in the grocery store.

And with this city in the financial crisis it is in, its sure could use the money for those parking tickets. So don't say "Its just parking tickets".
I do have the right to judge him by the way he acts, the way he talks and the way he chooses to live his life. He is not the type of man I would want my daughter to marry.
 
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Egoatdoor said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you are misguided. The law is the law. A law breaker starts with minor offenses and if they get away with it, they graduate to stronger offenses.

The young adult who kills someone (and it could be you) often starts by shoplifting as a teen in the grocery store.

And with this city in the financial crisis it is in, its sure could use the money for those parking tickets. So don't say "Its just parking tickets".
I do have the right to judge him by the way he acts, the way he talks and the way he chooses to live his life. He is not the type of man I would want my daughter to marry.

The more you write, the more your simpleness becomes clear. We weren't judging him based on whether you'd allow him to fuck your daughter. We were simply stating who we don't like, and why. Its the WHY you don't like him that i find absolutely ridiculous. Let's review.

You don't like him b/c:
1. He's a thug (guess what, that's how he grew up. And who are you to tell him how to act? Is he supposed to change who he is b/c couch-fans say he should? Would you change who you were if someone said they didn't like your personality)

2. He prob. supports his freinds (I certainly would if i was a millionaire. That's called looking out for your friends)

3. He raps about killing people (this was already covered. Rap is music. It's NOT real life)

4. He had legal probs in college (most athletes do have SOME sort of legal problem nowadays, its certainly not uncommon)

5. and my absolute favorite one yet is his unpaid parking tickets. Open your eyes, man. There's MANY MANY MANY MANY more serious problems out there than Allen Iverson not paying his parking tickets.

I know all those 16yr old Phili kids who are getting ready to get their licenses are already heading for a path of destruction. First it'll be shoplifting, then drugs, gangs and eventually murder...all b/c of Iverson's parking tickets. Is there any hope at all for America's youth???? God forbid, What if all athletes start parking illegally? This country will certainly go under.

You think parking tickets are a major offense, and I'M MISGUIDED???? This is absolutely hilarious.
 
Anyone who raps about killing someone in a way that ties to make it cool is a poor role model and not gonna make my Christmas list.

Gangsta rap is for gangstas ... you a gangsta flex?
 
BoneCrusher said:
Anyone who raps about killing someone in a way that ties to make it cool is a poor role model and not gonna make my Christmas list.

Gangsta rap is for gangstas ... you a gangsta flex?

well, tell your first part to the millions of people who listen to rap. and BTW, ITS NOT THEIR FAULT IF YOUR KIDS USE THEM AS ROLE MODELS. Why should they live their lives under a microscope, because their famous? What about parents? If you were rich and famous you wouldn't all of a sudden change your life so everyone thinks you are perfect.

and am i a gangster? why, because i like rap music? do you have to be a suicidal maniac to listen to heavy metal? are you a hippie if you like classic rock? are you a hick if you like country?

you get my point. you two do nothing but stereotype. You two are ridiculous.
Stereotyping is the tool of choice of the ignorant.
 
You sir are the one who is ignorant because we are the ones who judge people by THEIR ACTIONS, BY WHAT THEY DO. Mr Iverson chose not to educate himself. He chooses to break the law and then not pay the fines when he has the ability to do so many times over. He chooses to write and sing destructive music. He chooses his friends.

And you obviously do not know the difference between someone having sex with a female and marriage.

I've made my position clear about this and will move on to more constructive matters than arguing with you.
 
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Egoatdoor said:
I've made my position clear about this and will move on to more constructive matters than arguing with you.

Aw darn, that was a riot.
 
you know it is too funny to sit here and listen to all of these people always talk about how they hate the yankees. so your telling me just because Steinbrenner is the only owner in all of baseball that is willing to put up the money to put the best team on the field you hate them. well if any other owner in the league decided to actually spend money on their rosters instead of lining their own pockets then their team would have a fighting chance. why is it always the yankees fault that all of the best players in the league want to play for them. IT is simple because Steinbrenner is will to pay the money in order to dominate every year.

Hell i will not be surprised if they do get Johnson in the offseason and even look into the possibility of signing Pedro. Wait and see the yanks will sign at least 3 if not more top flight free agents come this offseason!

I wish they did get Johnson during the trade deadline so i wouldn't have to listen to people like flex talk crap they know nothing about!

Oh yeah, I would have to say Reggie Miller is by far the worst.
 
Flex said:
do you have to be a suicidal maniac to listen to heavy metal? are you a hippie if you like classic rock? are you a hick if you like country?
Pretty much. :D
 
Yanks20 said:
so your telling me just because Steinbrenner is the only owner in all of baseball that is willing to put up the money to put the best team on the field you hate them. well if any other owner in the league decided to actually spend money on their rosters instead of lining their own pockets then their team would have a fighting chance. .

That's exactly what i'm telling you. And you know what? i'd guess probably 80% of the rest of MLB owners COULDN'T AFFORD to pay those players.

Yanks20 said:
Hell i will not be surprised if they do get Johnson in the offseason and even look into the possibility of signing Pedro. Wait and see the yanks will sign at least 3 if not more top flight free agents come this offseason!.


I don't doubt that ONE bit. And its absurd that they are allowed to do so. You think the mighty Brewers can afford to make moves like that? think again.

Yanks20 said:
I wish they did get Johnson during the trade deadline so i wouldn't have to listen to people like flex talk crap they know nothing about!
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Know nothing about? HA.

Yanks20 said:
Oh yeah, I would have to say Reggie Miller is by far the worst.

Mos def.
 
You do have owners who do not like to spend money at all. Some are still competative whiles others are not.
 
The mighty brewers suck because selig is a tightwad.
 
The whole braves team, I hate that stupid song and chop.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you are misguided. The law is the law. A law breaker starts with minor offenses and if they get away with it, they graduate to stronger offenses

this is just ridiculous
 
it is not that most owners cannot afford to pay the players. take a look at the 97 marlins for example. they had a great team with plenty of players who wouldv'e been competitive with any team and yet after winning the series the owners decide they are content and start slashing the payroll and basically giving up. Same thing with the 01 diamondbacks.

most owners just want to take all of the money they are getting from the revenue sharring and put it back into their own pockets. the yanks paid $67mm last year, mets something like $40-$50mm and the sox in the neighborhood of $20-$30mm in revenue sharring and from the looks of things this year not a single team made any dramactic improvements in their payroll. the only team that made any kind of effort (and not good investments) was the O's. yeah they signed free agents and greatly improved their offense but got no pitching to go with it. Tell me this why did it take the O's almost 7 years to invest money again, cause they were lining their own pockets instead of putting a competitive team on the field. and why do you think angelos finally dropped his claim against getting a team in DC, cause MLB is going to pay him a shitload of money to shut him up about losing revenue that he is NOT going to invest in his team.

Take the mariners for example, why all of a sudden are they hurting? Cause they didn't want to make the investment in the players that produced for them. Let's not pay Griffey, A-Rod or Johnson and so forth. Hell they wouldv'e been a force for years even if they just decided to tie up Griffey and A-Rod for long term contracts if they were smart. Just yet another example of the owners just thinking of themselves.
 
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Well said Yanks20, I used to hate the Boss years ago but the bottom line he wants the same thing yank fans do. He may make a mess at times but at least he tries to put a winning team.
 
First and foremost is Mike Martz, not an athlete, but talent killer. IMO one of the BEST RB's Marshall Faulk, is totally missused!!!. Martz has totally gone away from the "greatest show on turf". Mark my words, the Rams will NEVER win a superbowl title with Martz at the helm!!!
Second, I can't stand Mr. left field statue, Barry Bonds, aka Mr. Juice head!!! I can't believe all these people who worship him even with the obvious juicing, and they are the same people who crucufied Mcgwire for taking an otc andro that anyone could take. But Bonds takes an undetectable juice-box and now he is GOD to baseball fans. He never hit over 42 HR's in a carreer in his prime, then in his late 30's he all of a sudden hits 73. PLEASE....... Big Mac hit 49 his rookie year and baseball fans wanted an asterick by his name, how about a big ole ASSterDICK by Steroid boy Bonds!!! Sorry for the venting............. I'm much better now :teeth:
 
If Bonds had some charm I would care be more interested in his chase after the homerun record. Another jerk.
 
Archangel said:
First and foremost is Mike Martz, not an athlete, but talent killer. IMO one of the BEST RB's Marshall Faulk, is totally missused!!!. Martz has totally gone away from the "greatest show on turf". Mark my words, the Rams will NEVER win a superbowl title with Martz at the helm!!!
Second, I can't stand Mr. left field statue, Barry Bonds, aka Mr. Juice head!!! I can't believe all these people who worship him even with the obvious juicing, and they are the same people who crucufied Mcgwire for taking an otc andro that anyone could take. But Bonds takes an undetectable juice-box and now he is GOD to baseball fans. He never hit over 42 HR's in a carreer in his prime, then in his late 30's he all of a sudden hits 73. PLEASE....... Big Mac hit 49 his rookie year and baseball fans wanted an asterick by his name, how about a big ole ASSterDICK by Steroid boy Bonds!!! Sorry for the venting............. I'm much better now :teeth:

NO SHIT!!! I got Marshall Faulk on my fantasy squad. He gets minimal carries nowadays, but EVERY time the fuckin guy touches the ball something good happens. then they get to the goal line and they use Steven Jackson. WTF???

As for Bonds, steroids should not even an issue. DOn't get me wrong, i don't like the fuckin guy. He USED to be my favorite player as a kid, when he was on the Pirates and was part of the killer B's. But now the guys a fuckin prick.

As for the steroids, they don't make a difference. Ok, fine, what do they add 10ft to his homeruns? You gotta take a look at his swing, man. His eye for the ball is absolutely incredible. its not steroids that make his swing so quick and his timing so perfect and his ability to hit the baseball any better. The biggest thing is The guy DOESNT even get any pitches to hit!!!!!!!! Imagine if he played for a team like the Yankees. Where opposing pitchers were forced to pitch to him. You know how many freakin HR's this guy would have???? Look at his OBP, its OUTTA this world. The guy either hits a HR or walks or doubles like every single at bat. Steroids won't help that. And on top of all that, steroids weren't even looked at AT ALL in baseball until the past few years, and they weren't even "illegal" until this year. So i say, so what if guys are juicing? it absolutely DOES NOT help a guy hit HR's. Look at A-Rod. Look at Griffey. Look at so many other guys who are not juicing. Bonds, as much as i hate to admit, may very well be the best hitter of all time (him and Babe are #1 and 2, its just tough to call Babe #2 b/c of what he did in his era)....
 
If Babe had the same amount of starts per season then the newbies out there would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind. No one coulda touched his ass.
 
BoneCrusher said:
If Babe had the same amount of starts per season then the newbies out there would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind. No one coulda touched his ass.
I totally agree, no ball player comes close to the babe
 
Mindless said:
OH we all hate them. there was no need to write them in, They are automatic.
:D

Just joking, I actually like boston they are a pretty good team. They have Character. But they still suck.
 
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