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Who's afraid of death?
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At 52 I don't fear dying but the thought of it does pop into my head more often than it did before. It seems the older you get the faster time goes by. I just pray for something swift rather than 9 months of cancer humilitating me before it takes my last breath from me. I also hope that swift death don't come for quite a long time.
I have a healthy respect for life that makes death a little scary. We have no clue of what really happens to us no matter how committed your belief is in whatever the aftermath is there is always a sliver of doubt. I'm sure the Pope and Dali Lama even have doubts on the afterlife or reincarnation. For me it depends on my mood, but even then it may be different I may be so happy I don't want it to end so death frightens me, or I may be so happy that I am content with dying. We all have said "Now I can die a happy man/woman/Min0" when something really great has happened.
Then theirs the "I'll probably die the day before they discover a longevity pill to keep us alive for 300 years with minimal aging or maybe even immortality" just my fucking luck thoughts that go through your mind....
I saw a show on cryogenics the other day and it made me wonder. "What if there is an afterlife and it is so awesome, then suddenly 200 years from the day you died your soul gets sucked back into your human body and you are pissed off." Everything was absolutely perfect in your afterlife and now you get stuck in that ratty old body and they have an immortality cure and the policy in the new time is no one is allowed to die, so if you commit suicide they'll just revive you and everything is so safe you can't destroy your body so you are just stuck.... That would totally suck ass....
My theory right now on cryogenics is even if we find a way to bring these people back to life they will be brain-dead I don't think the methods they use right now can freeze the brain quick enough to keep it from becoming completely useless.
My hopes are for death to be something like 'What Dreams May Come'...
Then theirs the "I'll probably die the day before they discover a longevity pill to keep us alive for 300 years with minimal aging or maybe even immortality" just my fucking luck thoughts that go through your mind....
I saw a show on cryogenics the other day and it made me wonder. "What if there is an afterlife and it is so awesome, then suddenly 200 years from the day you died your soul gets sucked back into your human body and you are pissed off." Everything was absolutely perfect in your afterlife and now you get stuck in that ratty old body and they have an immortality cure and the policy in the new time is no one is allowed to die, so if you commit suicide they'll just revive you and everything is so safe you can't destroy your body so you are just stuck.... That would totally suck ass....
My theory right now on cryogenics is even if we find a way to bring these people back to life they will be brain-dead I don't think the methods they use right now can freeze the brain quick enough to keep it from becoming completely useless.
My hopes are for death to be something like 'What Dreams May Come'...
Ha! Just the meandering line of thought I was looking for.
I personally believe we're solely animals and don't really possess any other state of being, but I completely agree there's always that sliver of doubt. I was raised in a very spiritual christian home and have a hard time shaking some of the things I was taught. In all honesty I feel like I've been brainwashed and I always wonder how I/we would view death as thinking beings if we hadn't created religion... But I guess basically death and our general lack of control over natural things is the prime motivator for religion.
... which makes me even more curious. If we were to invent some way of immortality how would religion evolve.... This shit is what scares me, I'll never fuckin know. We'll never know. I think evolution(not just biologically but sociologically) is so damn interesting.
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Sorry this was a mistake.
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Pump4EVER
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ummmm pretty sure I am ha ha
Chubby
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Hi Pump,
If you are trying to up your post count, why don't you go back to welcome new members.
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Hi Pump,
If you are trying to up your post count, why don't you go back to welcome new members.
I really wasn't, I have been creeping here/these boards for awhile so I figured I would start posting, thanks for the help
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Sorry, your post was too short so I misunderstood you.
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Hater.Hi Pump,
If you are trying to up your post count, why don't you go back to welcome new members.
Chubby
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He can up his post so fast by welcoming all those new members. I thought that was a better idea than making himself look like troll.
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I value my life too much to do anything foolish and risky. I try to push death away as much as possible.
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He can up his post so fast by welcoming all those new members. I thought that was a better idea than making himself look like troll.
Just joking, chobby. Just joking.
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Hi Pump,
If you are trying to up your post count, why don't you go back to welcome new members.
Why flirt with him? I'm better.
You'll have your nay-sayers who will go to extremes to destroy the technology saying it's the devils work. Then you'll have those who will just morph new beliefs out of it, like "We are on a mission to resurrect god in our own image and immortality is a step closer." I had a trip once where I thought that the big bang was god had been so lonely he set events in motion and our goal was to evolve into god-like beings and therefore become his companions....
Before I got to the point I am now I used to feel like with all the connections people are making through technology, basically we can communicate with anyone anywhere, that we were slowly merging. Like I would think we were instinctively drawing closer to each other and would start to blend so much we basically became one existence (over thousands or millions of years). Basically we would become god in some way... lol then i read this book (supposed to be a thought experiment) called God's Debris and the guy talks about how god is supposed to know everything but has always existed so he wouldn't know what it was like to not exist so he destroyed himself and the universe is his debris. Kinda solidified my thinking for a while even though the book was from the Dilbert comic writer lol.
My trip came when I started dwelling on the Buddhist "I am One with the universe, everything is One with me" and Highlander "There can be only One" type of thoughts, I saw the universe exploding then slowly shrinking back, galaxies combining into super galaxies, black holes swallowing each other, living beings evolving into one consciousness, etc..."
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I used to get panic attacks when I focused on the idea of death/dying......however, I became very, very sick and it was incredibly painful, and more of a long term type thing...I nearly died on several occassions. What happened towards the end is that I found that despite the pain, the body is merciful. My fears of dying faded and I had a kind of peace.....I realized, in a moment of enlightenment, or drug induced haze that it had not been painful to take up consciousness, and that when the time came to lay it aside, I had no reason to believe it to be any more painful. With that awareness the fear was gone. I truly feared losing consciousness/individuality more than any other aspect of death.
Not scared at all of death. Granted, I believe in an afterlife.. but even if there isn't one I'm never going to know I'm dead. It didn't hurt & wasn't scary to not exist before I was born, so it certainly won't after I'm dead.
I'm more afraid of how I'm going to die, whether from sickness, locked away in a nursing home, or some prolonged illness. Heart attacks are common for the men in my family, and that suits me just fine.... as long as I'm at least 70 and in the midst of nailing a 23 year old.
I'm more afraid of how I'm going to die, whether from sickness, locked away in a nursing home, or some prolonged illness. Heart attacks are common for the men in my family, and that suits me just fine.... as long as I'm at least 70 and in the midst of nailing a 23 year old.
Nadar
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All I care about now is when will chobby192 start flirting with me?
Running out of time + patience, and I'm more fearful that than the reaper.
Running out of time + patience, and I'm more fearful that than the reaper.
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i am just scared of the feeling of existance being over. Ex. no heaven, hell, afterlife, anything. Just darkness for eternity.
idk scary thoughts
idk scary thoughts
that's how my sister is, but I just don't get it. if there's nothing after life, "darkness" won't exist to you. without brain function, you can't detect darkness, or anything else for that matter. It'd be just like going to sleep.
If there is no God, we aren't important anyway. We're just a collection of cells that evolved by chance with a useless sense of self-worth. Nothing we do matters, and the people we love are an equally useless collection of cells.
Maybe that sounds weird, and not to get all religious on anyone, but I think that's what the gift of faith provides. People always say belief in God is just based out of fear of dying & for the weak, but belief in Him gives my life meaning, purpose & direction... It makes everything important & makes me try to be a better person. And finally when I'm dying I like to think I won't be afraid, but be eager to see family members who will have passed. If not, it was a good plan anyway... and I'll die unafraid & at peace.
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not scared..... just waiting
I'm not totally up on buddhist ideology, but in my own way (when i still believed in something spiritual/metaphysical) I kinda came to a conclusion that prayer may work because of this kinda "oneness". As if we were linked in some way that if enough energy was focused on an objective we could change things because we were all connected in some unseen way... Far from what I believe these days but its still an interesting thought.
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I'm not afraid of death but I worry about what would happen to my son if I die. If it wasn't for that I couldn't care less. No matter of what happens after death is bound to happen sometime sooner or later. Hopefully later in my case so I can make sure I'm there for my son when he needs me.
I believe that some of the reasons religions still exist today is for the fears and worries that are stated in this thread by both the religious and the non religious.
Having the ability to think is the humans being's survival mechanism and along with that come the ability to scrutinize our biggest fears to a fine detail. As far as we are aware we are the only species that does this.
We aren't seperate from the rest of the animal kingdom nor are we seperate from nature itself. Everything dies and everything consistently changes therefore it makes no sense to fear the very core of what you are, ie nature/everything.
If you were to individually ask the rest of the animal kingdom what their thoughts are in regards to death you may discover a more pure and unbiased perspective which is not distorted by the human ego.
However I can never know for sure until I die and even when I do die I won't realise I'm dead therefore I will receive no closure at all. I highly doubt that nature is thoughtful enough to extinguish my curiosity with anwers after I die.
Having the ability to think is the humans being's survival mechanism and along with that come the ability to scrutinize our biggest fears to a fine detail. As far as we are aware we are the only species that does this.
We aren't seperate from the rest of the animal kingdom nor are we seperate from nature itself. Everything dies and everything consistently changes therefore it makes no sense to fear the very core of what you are, ie nature/everything.
If you were to individually ask the rest of the animal kingdom what their thoughts are in regards to death you may discover a more pure and unbiased perspective which is not distorted by the human ego.
However I can never know for sure until I die and even when I do die I won't realise I'm dead therefore I will receive no closure at all. I highly doubt that nature is thoughtful enough to extinguish my curiosity with anwers after I die.
Elephants seem to understand death in someway, they mouurn their lost and return to the boneyards and seem morose while visiting the bones of lost members.
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When one of my dogs died at home, the others were very sad about it, I could tell by their lack of energy, and in their eyes....I can see happness in my dogs eyes and worry, sadness, excitement, eyes are the most expressive parts of mammals in my opinion. Maybe out of guilt for certain actions people stopped looking each other in the eye and had to develop speech to communicate feelings....
I can't even watch this without feeling a deep sense of emotion... Ok, it makes eyes wet.
Don't get me wrong, I don't underestimate the intelligence of the animal kingdom and in a way this was the point I was trying to make. Humans have made their living on this planet by finding purpose in their environment and having the ability to change their surroundings to benefit themselves. We are a purpose motivated species that design things for a reason such as tools, shelters, weapons and the things that we don't understand we have therefore assumed that they have a purpose of some description. This flaw in our logic could be limited purely to the human race.
I believe that depending on the level of intelligence, animals are able to feel every bit of emotion that we feel however they are unable to elaborate feelings into words due to the limitations in their communication skill which are pre programmed into their DNA. We would have been exactly the same at a certain point in our evolutionary past and we probably still are limited to a degree, or to a high degree.
Animals may wonder about death but they don't come up with elaborate, extradonary and romantic claims as to what happens afterwards. This is where, in my opinion, an animal such as an elephant of a dog would be more intune with reality as they don't look too deep into something that's not even there.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't underestimate the intelligence of the animal kingdom and in a way this was the point I was trying to make. Humans have made their living on this planet by finding purpose in their environment and having the ability to change their surroundings to benefit themselves. We are a purpose motivated species that design things for a reason such as tools, shelters, weapons and the things that we don't understand we have therefore assumed that they have a purpose of some description. This flaw in our logic could be limited purely to the human race.
I believe that depending on the level of intelligence, animals are able to feel every bit of emotion that we feel however they are unable to elaborate feelings into words due to the limitations in their communication skill which are pre programmed into their DNA. We would have been exactly the same at a certain point in our evolutionary past and we probably still are limited to a degree, or to a high degree.
Animals may wonder about death but they don't come up with elaborate, extradonary and romantic claims as to what happens afterwards. This is where, in my opinion, an animal such as an elephant of a dog would be more intune with reality as they don't look too deep into something that's not even there.
