At least people dont play soccer with helmets and spandex pants.shiznit2169 said:
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Whos going to win the world cup?
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OK, now can we go back to not caring about soccer? Thanks.
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OK, having just purchased a new 61 inch HDTV, I was willng to watch ANY sports as long as it was in HD. So, I watched some soccer even though I really hate the sport. Not that the world cares what Americans think of the sport, but here are my thoughts:
- The offsides rule is absurd. There is no logical reason why that 2nd goal yesterday should have been waived off. They gotta change that rule. It is counter-intuitive to let the defense decide where the offensive player can stand. I have asked numerous soccer-heads and have not received a solid answer as to why that rule is the way it is.
- Scoring is too low. Way too many 1-1 or 0-0 OT games. This is why I call it communist kickball - lots of effort for very litte reward, just like communisim. I am not saying they need 7-6 games, but how about 3-2? or even 2-1?
- The officiating is horrible. The fact that scoring is so low makes the magnifies this.
- Men do not flop around and pretend to be hurt like that. Yes, basketball players flop to get a charge call, etc, but nothing like these soccer players.
Vieope said:
Uhh ... because soccer doesn't require full contact and big hits? Have you ever seen a football game?
IainDaniel said:
The impact of Rugby is not even close to that of the NFL. In Rugby you're talking 180 lb men running side by side ocasionally taking a big hit. In the NFL you're talking minimum 220 lb men that are running full steam knocking eachothers blocks off every play. There is absolutely no comparison to the sheer size, speed and strentgth of the athletes in the two sports. Lets see Ray Lewis go head to head with a rugby player, and then we'll see who is tougher.
Obviously your understanding of Rugby is lacking.
Rugby players size and speed is every bit comparable to the NFL. Go look at any top tier team and you will see that most backs are 200lbs + while the Forwards are 240lbs+
Yes lets see Ray lewis go head to head minus the equipment that allows him to have no fear for his actions.
Rugby players size and speed is every bit comparable to the NFL. Go look at any top tier team and you will see that most backs are 200lbs + while the Forwards are 240lbs+
Yes lets see Ray lewis go head to head minus the equipment that allows him to have no fear for his actions.
IainDaniel said:
Ok, the NFL thrives on head to head hits. 2 players running at full speed only to meet head to head. How long would their careers last without the pads and the helmets? Not very long. The impact of the hits are so severe in the NFL guys are still knocked out cold with all that gear. There is not one player in any rugby league that can run with the fastest WR's and RB's in the NFL. Not one. Most backs are 200+ which means some are less? There might be 20 players in all of the NFL (minus place kickers) that are under 200 lbs. I know former football players that have long and healthy lives. I also workout with two former rugby players that look like they got beat across the face with a bat. Every time we talk about rugby they wish they had picked a different sport because they have nothing left in their bodies. How long does the average rugby career last? Is it worth it in the long run to keep your "pride" in tact by not wearing pads? NFL players don't think so, and neither do the fans. I'd rather be able to follow a player through his 16 year career than hear him say, "oy, oy, oy!! I'm tougher than an NFL Player cuz I don't wear pads." While yelling all of that through his deviated septum and his wired shut jaw...
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IainDaniel said:
uhhh...yeah?
FatCatMC said:
This getting off topic to where my original argument was going. Defining a sport by contact is rediculous and that was the point I was trying to make. Shiznit was saying promoting football over soccer cause there is contact, and that being the reason they wear equipment.
That is completely ludicrous. They are two completely different sports. To try and make comparisons on how each are played against on another is retarded.
Anyway I know you are an avid American Football supporter, but at least look up information, before you spew out stuff about players in the league.
http://archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/players/bio_weight-0.html
And there would be no reason to believe that the Backs in any of these Rugby leagues couldn't keep up with the NFL players. They are doing the same thing. Being paid to run fast with the ball.
You are contradicting yourself about the amount of contact in Rugby now.
Again Cultural differences have an impact on which sport these people play.
BTW I would watch the NFL anyday over Most Rugby and Soccer games. But I am not completely ignorant to the rest of the sports around the world. Let alone the biggest sport in the world
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Oh man I don't even think I'd watch that if players like Ray Lewis, Jevon Kearse, Joey Porter, Takeo Spikes, ect. played rugby. The hits would be just too sickening. Guys would be gettin their necks broken left and right. I don't know much about rugby, but if there were head to head tackles with minimal equipment, NFL players would not be taking the worst part of those hits. Unless it was the kickers.
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IainDaniel said:
I don't know what it is like where you live. But it goes crazy here with World Cup fever. Little Italy in Toronto was mobbed yesterday.
Boston. I'm sure you saw them going back and forth to City Hall yesterday during the Cup.
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IainDaniel said:
Yeah that's why I said I don't know much about rugby. I was saying if there was head on impact like in the NFL, from what I've seen (just from what I've seen, my opinion, OK) NFL players are more physically gifted and equipped to withstand punishment in harsh physical contact. I'm sure if I watched more rugby I'd change my mind...but from what I've seen.
No reason to get snippy. I am just restating, that understanding of both sports would help understand the hits.
Phyiscally gifted, lets be realistic here. These are all athletes at the top of there game. To define one as more phyiscally gifted is pointless. They are all upper echelon players.
Phyiscally gifted, lets be realistic here. These are all athletes at the top of there game. To define one as more phyiscally gifted is pointless. They are all upper echelon players.
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IainDaniel said:
I don't know what it is like where you live. But it goes crazy here with World Cup fever. Little Italy in Toronto was mobbed yesterday.
Where I live, I am surprised the WC final wasn't pre-empted by Andy Griffith re-runs.
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IainDaniel said:
Nah I wasn't being snippy at all I apologize if it came off like that. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was just my opinion, since my experience in watching rugby is very limited. I didn't want to make it sound like I was stating it as a fact.
I'm not contradicting myself about the ammount of contact in rugby. If Ronnie Lott hit a WR comming over the middle for a pass without pads, they would both be dead. Period. Rugby players think they are tougher than NFL players because they don't wear pads, but like I said before the actual contact is minimal compared to the NFL. They get broken noses, shattrered jaws, split open skulls. NFL players end up in wheelchairs from hits, not at the plastic surgeons.
"And I highly doubt these players would be laying the same type of hits if they weren't equiped to do it."
Which is my exact point. NFL players hit harder.
"And I highly doubt these players would be laying the same type of hits if they weren't equiped to do it."
Which is my exact point. NFL players hit harder.
Pepper said:OK, having just purchased a new 61 inch HDTV, I was willng to watch ANY sports as long as it was in HD. So, I watched some soccer even though I really hate the sport. Not that the world cares what Americans think of the sport, but here are my thoughts:
All in all, my opinion of soccer went up a little, but I don't see why it is so popular. It does seem to have the excitment of chess and the strategy of bingo.
- The offsides rule is absurd. There is no logical reason why that 2nd goal yesterday should have been waived off. They gotta change that rule. It is counter-intuitive to let the defense decide where the offensive player can stand. I have asked numerous soccer-heads and have not received a solid answer as to why that rule is the way it is.
the offside rule is for combating "goal scrounging", "cherry picking", "goal hanging" or (in Canada) "goal sucking", where attacking players hang around near the opposing goal waiting for the ball to get kicked upfield. The offside rule prevents players from scoring these cheap goals and makes sure that goals are earned. with the offside rule, there are more goals scored through legitimate defence-splitting passes.
- Scoring is too low. Way too many 1-1 or 0-0 OT games. This is why I call it communist kickball - lots of effort for very litte reward, just like communisim. I am not saying they need 7-6 games, but how about 3-2? or even 2-1?
With the world becoming more global, most industires are becoming multinational. the same can be said for soccer. these days thw top players from all countries play and coach in all other countries. this means that the world as a whole has become better at soccer and the quality of the top players is marginal between the top nations. It can be argued that any one of the say top 8 teams could of won the cup this year, and that no team was a stand out favourite. because all of the teams are so good, they did have (I think) a record number of draws this year. if you look at the scores from any one countries league games you will see alot of games were the teams weren't so balanced and had scores like 3-0 4-1 5-2 etc etc
- The officiating is horrible. The fact that scoring is so low makes the magnifies this.
I agree 100% I think half the refs are paid off! I also think they should introduce the thing were the ref gets to review the play in a monitor!
- Men do not flop around and pretend to be hurt like that. Yes, basketball players flop to get a charge call, etc, but nothing like these soccer players.
the Italians introduced this, it is gay and annoying, and has somehow become institutionalized. the governing body should of seen this shit coming and taken preventative measures!
IainDaniel said:
There are 4 starters on that list.
Edit: On the first page there are 4 starters.
I have played high school rugby in England, and High School football in Canada. you have to be 10x as physically fit to play Rugby because of the non stop game play. with football you need explosive power or cat like reflexes. they are different animals.
also, I dont think that making up random facts is helpful here!
also, I dont think that making up random facts is helpful here!
yes but thats and American statistic. Canadian statistics are way tougher!Pepper said:
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MyK said:
So where did you do your balls on research?
Pepper said:
a dead beaver!
FatCatMC said:So where did you do your balls on research?
my research is 100% correct!
