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Why Wal-Mart can afford to give its workers a 50% raise

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Why Wal-Mart can afford to give its workers a 50% raise - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet

[h=1]Why Wal-Mart can afford to give its workers a 50% raise[/h] By Stephen Gandel, senior editor November 12, 2013: 10:27 AM ET
The world's largest retailer is under fire for its low wages. But the numbers show it can easily pay more without tanking its stock.


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FORTUNE -- When a Wal-Mart executive boasted at a Goldman Sachs investor conference in September that 475,000 of the company's U.S. store associates make more than $25,000 -- meaning that a large portion of its 1.4 million workers in the U.S. make less -- a long-simmering debate about the company's wages boiled over. Last week, a large protest outside a California Wal-Mart store led to 50 arrests.

Fueling the anger, Payscale, a salary information site, estimates that Wal-Mart CEO Mike Duke's 2012 pay of $23.2 million was 1,034 times more than the company's average worker. Wal-Mart has called that figure inflated.
So how much should Wal-Mart (WMT) pay its employees? To tackle that tricky question, I crunched a bunch of numbers and concluded this: Wal-Mart's workers should get a 50% raise.



And get this: The company wouldn't even have to disappoint Wall Street to pull it off. I'll explain the math in detail below.
There are a number of ways to answer the question of what Wal-Mart should pay its employees. One possibility is this: The lowest wage that Wal-Mart can get away with paying. That is probably the way many employers do it, but it's far from the best economic answer. Better-paid employees are likely to work harder and stick around longer. If employees made more, they would have more to spend at Wal-Mart.
Many critics argue that because Wal-Mart made $17 billion in profits last year, it can afford to pay more and even has an obligation to do so. That's silly, too. Public companies have to make enough money to satisfy shareholders, or else their stocks tank and executives end up getting canned.


I came up with what I feel is a better, more scientific way to determine the answer. Then I called a couple of really smart economists to get it "peer"-reviewed. Sendhil Mullainathan, who teaches at MIT and received a MacArthur genius grant for his work in behavioral economics a few years ago, said he basically came to a similar conclusion as mine a few years ago. He says companies have more discretion in setting wages then they let on. "Really the question is not whether this is possible but why some companies don't do it [this way]," says Mullainathan.
Wal-Mart didn't respond to requests for comment.


So without further ado, here's my methodology: Start with Wal-Mart's sales, and then subtract what it has to pay the suppliers that make all the stuff on its shelves. Last quarter that number was $28.7 billion.
What remains is Wal-Mart's gross profit. Wal-Mart, like all companies, has to split that between three groups -- bondholders, stockholders, and employees. How much should go to each? Bondholders are easy. They've agreed in advance to an interest rate. Last quarter, Wal-Mart's interest payments were $553 million. That leaves us with $28.2 billion, based on last quarter, or $112.8 billion a year.
How much to pay stockholders is a little bit trickier. But you can figure it out by looking at the market. Here's where my math comes in. Stock market valuations and return on equity (ROE) tend to go hand in hand. ROE is the measure of how much income a company makes compared to a company's net worth, which is also sometimes called shareholder's equity. Charles Lee, a finance professor at Stanford -- my second peer reviewer -- has done a lot of research that shows investors are willing to pay more for companies that can produce higher returns on shareholders' equity.


But you can also use Lee's research to figure out just what returns Wal-Mart's investors are looking for. The average ROE of retailers in the S&P 500 (SPX) is 16.95%. Their shares trade at price-to-book ratio of 2.9. Wal-Mart's price-to-book ratio of 3.5 is 20% higher than the group, which means that investors, based on Wal-Mart's current $79 share price, are expecting it to produce a higher-than-average ROE. How much higher? Lee says the relationship is not linear, or one for one. Let's call it 18%. That means, based on Wal-Mart's current stock price, investors are signaling that they are looking for a return of 20%.
Remember, that's not money that Wal-Mart actually pays out to investors. Most of that money is reinvested in its business. But it does pay out some in the form of dividends. And Wal-Mart has a higher dividend yield than the average retailer in the S&P 500 -- 2.4% vs. 1.3%. Adjust that for Wal-Mart's valuation vs. other retailers, and that means 4.6% of the return shareholders are looking for comes from the giant retailer's outsized dividend. That means the ROE it has to satisfy investors after dividends is 15.4%. Wal-Mart's actual current ROE is 21%. "What that suggests is that even Wal-Mart's investors think the company should pay its employees more, or at least expects it will," says Lee.
How much more? Wal-Mart has a book value of $76.7 billion. Take 15.4% of that, and that means investors are looking to get paid $11.8 billion a year. That leaves $101 billion to pay employees.


Wal-Mart paid its top executives and board members $66.7 million last year. The rest of the money has to be split among Wal-Mart's remaining roughly 2.2 million employees. Of those, about 1.4 million work in the U.S. Assume that Wal-Mart spends about 2/3 of that on the salaries of its U.S. employees, because salaries are generally higher here. That leaves $66.6 billion for the U.S. workers, or $47,593. The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that 30% of the average U.S. workers' total compensation is spent on benefits.


That means the average Wal-Mart employee's take home pay should be $33,315. Wal-Mart doesn't say what its actual average salary is. But Payscale estimated it to be just over $22,000 at the end of last year.
The conventional wisdom, of course, is that if Wal-Mart were to hand out raises, its stock would tank. That may not be true. When Google (GOOG) announced a 10% raise for its employees three years ago, the stock dropped a bit but mostly recovered within a year. And Google's stock is 60% higher now than it was before the raise.


As Lee points out, investors are basically giving Wal-Mart's executives a green light to raise wages. So why not?
 
Good find, Bowden.

So true....
 
imagine that, using actual real world economic data to show that wages can be increased with out having to cause price inflation.

who would have thought?
 
so what, rather than 8 bucks an hr someone could potentially earn 12?
 
so what, rather than 8 bucks an hr someone could potentially earn 12?

it's still peanuts but a little better. my brain can't even grasp how people survive on such low ages in this day and age.
 
me either

at all

shit is so unbelievably bad for basic necessities
 
Walmart Kicks Off On-the-Spot Employee Promotions and Higher Pay


by The Associated Press Oct 29th 2013 6:00AM
Updated Oct 29th 2013 6:03AM


NEW YORK -- Walmart Stores is banking on on-the-spot surprise promotions of about 25,000 U.S. store employees to help send a message that it offers economic security and opportunity.

The world's largest retailer and the nation's largest private employer will be kicking off the promotions at ceremonies Tuesday in its Secaucus, N.J., store and about 15 other markets including Atlanta and Denver. It will dispatch top executives to stores nationwide for similar events for the rest of its fiscal year, which ends in late January. The mostly hourly workers will be promoted to different jobs -- some to store management positions -- and will receive higher pay.

"It's good a time as any to tell our story," said Bill Simon, president and CEO of Walmart's U.S. namesake division. He will be in Secaucus on Tuesday at a ceremony to promote six to eight workers.

The move is an addition to Walmart's announcement in September that it would move 35,000 workers from temporary to part-time status and another 35,000 from part time to full time by year-end. The campaign builds on a theme the discounter pushed throughout the year, including at its annual shareholders' meeting in June, in which it cast the company as a place where employees have a chance to advance.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/10/29/walmart-stores-kicks-off-hourly-worker-employee-promotions/
 
it will be interesting to see just how many workers get significant increases and if this has any effect on other large firms that make more than enough in profits to increase wages at the bottom with out having to inflate prices to make up the difference.

if Henry Ford could do it in 1913 there's no reason why large firms can't do it today, it's a choice.
 
Here's one for you LAM:

Business Insider - Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food



Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees


A Cleveland Wal-Mart store is holding a food drive ? for its own employees.

"Please donate food items so associates in need can enjoy Thanksgiving dinner," reads a sign accompanied by several plastic bins.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer first reported on the food drive, which has sparked outrage in the area.

"That Wal-Mart would have the audacity to ask low-wage workers to donate food to other low-wage workers ? to me, it is a moral outrage," Norma Mills, a customer at the store, told the Plain Dealer.

A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.

"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.

Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Wal-Mart has been criticized for paying low wages to its 2.2 million employees.

Last week, 50 people were arrested after protesting the retailer's pay at a store in Los Angeles.

Wal-Mart turned a profit of $15.7 billion last year.

The original version of this story stated that Wal-Mart was asking customers to donate food. The food drive is actually among employees.
 
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I have a great dislike for Wal-Mart....I won't shop there mainly cause there a competitor and I dislike most competitors...but that doesn't mean I don't respect them or know when I see a article that is way off base in some regards..

The author based his numbers off gross profit....he unwillingly or unknowingly left out about vitals that effect net contribution.....too get gross profit you take top line sales and deduct the cost of goods...which he did....that doesn't even begin to show anything close to net contribution...

He left out current payroll...fringe expenses like insurance...vacation pay...supplies...marketing costs(most large retailers split these by % of contribution store has)....store rent(They don't own all the properties)...and the biggest expense SHRINK...shrink is physical items that are thrown away(ie;expired milk)..theft(lots of that at wal-mart)..paper shrink(billing errors)...damages etc..

Even with my dislike of Wal-Mart ....that article is miles off in accuracy...

Could Wal-Mart pay more?..idk...I'm not privy to there books...one would think so...as a retailer you have to commit to wage increases...clearly budget wise and all...but the main thing is you really have to commit...raises like 50 cents over min wage isn't going to improve retention or associate quality...you really have to commit in dollars to achieve the end goal...and that's higher quality hires who will be long term employees this cutting out turn over costs..it cost a good bit to hire someone and dismiss them...

Wal-Mart took 2 quarter loses in there largest US market last year...and with there history of not spending on payroll...I don't see that changing in any drastic fashion....they will posture for PR reasons like in NJ....
 
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I have a great dislike for Wal-Mart....I won't shop there mainly cause there a competitor and I dislike most competitors...but that doesn't mean I don't respect them or know when I see a article that is way off base in some regards..

The author based his numbers off gross profit....he unwillingly or unknowingly left out about vitals that effect net contribution.....too get gross profit you take top line sales and deduct the cost of goods...which he did....that doesn't even begin to show anything close to net contribution...

He left out current payroll...fringe expenses like insurance...vacation pay...supplies...marketing costs(most large retailers split these by % of contribution store has)....store rent(They don't own all the properties)...and the biggest expense SHRINK...shrink is physical items that are thrown away(ie;expired milk)..theft(lots of that at wal-mart)..paper shrink(billing errors)...damages etc..

Even with my dislike of Wal-Mart ....that article is miles off in accuracy...

Could Wal-Mart pay more?..idk...I'm not privy to there books...one would think so...as a retailer you have to commit to wage increases...clearly budget wise and all...but the main thing is you really have to commit...raises like 50 cents over min wage isn't going to improve retention or associate quality...you really have to commit in dollars to achieve the end goal...and that's higher quality highers who will be long term employees this cutting out turn over costs..it cost a good bit to higher someone and dismiss them...

Wal-Mart took 2 quarter loses in there largest US market last year...and with there history of not spending on payroll...I don't see that changing in any drastic fashion....they will posture for PR reasons like in NJ....

I've been doing IT for Walmart for the past 7 years, they "force" their buyers to come in at 5% less every year or their contracts do not get renewed. that basically means that only those with high profit margins make any profits when selling goods to Walmart, the rest are earning less and less every year as inflation chews away at their profits. it would only be logical to assume that workers at those firms are also not seeing wages increase at any rate close to that of real inflation.
 
Here's one for you LAM:

Business Insider - Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food



Wal-Mart Asks Workers To Donate Food To Its Needy Employees


A Cleveland Wal-Mart store is holding a food drive ? for its own employees.

"Please donate food items so associates in need can enjoy Thanksgiving dinner," reads a sign accompanied by several plastic bins.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer first reported on the food drive, which has sparked outrage in the area.

"That Wal-Mart would have the audacity to ask low-wage workers to donate food to other low-wage workers ? to me, it is a moral outrage," Norma Mills, a customer at the store, told the Plain Dealer.

A company spokesman defended the food drive, telling the Plain Dealer that it is evidence that employees care about each other.

"This store has been doing this for several years and is for associates that have faced an extreme hardship recently," spokesman Kory Lundberg told us.

Lundberg says an example of this would be a recent layoff in the family or some other financial hardship.

Wal-Mart has been criticized for paying low wages to its 2.2 million employees.

Last week, 50 people were arrested after protesting the retailer's pay at a store in Los Angeles.

Wal-Mart turned a profit of $15.7 billion last year.

The original version of this story stated that Wal-Mart was asking customers to donate food. The food drive is actually among employees.

Saw this or similar article on Facebook.

I don't understand how companies like McDonald's and Wal-Mart can't afford to pay their employees a decent wage. They make truckloads of money. Stockholders would be destroyed or the company would go under if they hiked the salary a buck or so? I guess it all adds up, but if the companies are making OBSCENE amounts of dough...
 
I've been doing IT for Walmart for the past 7 years, they "force" their buyers to come in at 5% less every year or their contracts do not get renewed. that basically means that only those with high profit margins make any profits when selling goods to Walmart, the rest are earning less and less every year as inflation chews away at their profits. it would only be logical to assume that workers at those firms are also not seeing wages increase at any rate close to that of real inflation.

there "force" is lessening with other companies...mainly grocery chains providing better quality and better service at the same low prices..Wal-Mart's model is set for them to break even in there Superstores on the grocery side and drive gross thru imports from China on there center store side...this worked for a long time until recently when several large companies like Costco began to play in there world and do a better job of it..

It all come down to process's developed by companies to maximize profits and not compromise the integrity of there quality and service..Wal-Mart has really struggled with this...you would think they would look at companies like K-Mart..Circut City and Albertsons(too some degree)and not take the "were the biggest and baddest" attitude...that may cost them in the end..

Wal-Mart has yet to show any signs of investing in price to reinvest in labor..only time will tell..
 
Saw this or similar article on Facebook.

I don't understand how companies like McDonald's and Wal-Mart can't afford to pay their employees a decent wage. They make truckloads of money. Stockholders would be destroyed or the company would go under if they hiked the salary a buck or so? I guess it all adds up, but if the companies are making OBSCENE amounts of dough...

the profit line is tighter then many even can imagine...Wal-Mart Superstores operate on a 2-3% store income...so if say a SuperCenter does 100 million a year(many of them do and more)..that leaves 2-3 million in net contribution.. thats the "in the pocket" money free and clear..

so the net dollars are tighter then it may appear...its very easy to eat into that 2-3 million quickly...
 
the profit line is tighter then many even can imagine...Wal-Mart Superstores operate on a 2-3% store income...so if say a SuperCenter does 100 million a year(many of them do and more)..that leaves 2-3 million in net contribution.. thats the "in the pocket" money free and clear..

so the net dollars are tighter then it may appear...its very easy to eat into that 2-3 million quickly...

No offense, brother, but THAT sounds like @#$%^&!
 
As someone who is self employed I see why Walmart does what it does. High turn-over is due in large part that no one wants to work anymore. I have been a manager a Lowe's and seen this fist-hand. Everyone believes they should be running things and making more money than they are. The real truth is that pushing a broom and standing at a cash register is not worth a high wage.(yes these jobs need to be done) Job markets dictate wages and if someone doesn't want to work for $8 an hour, someone else does. If mopping is worth $15 per hour then managing by most people's reasoning is worth $30. I know that the wages seem unfair to the bottom man but the guy who has put in ten or more years, working his way up plus getting college or special training, is worth more to the company. Some of you argue about raising the lowest wages but is it fair to give a $3 raise to a $8per hour employee and not to the guy already at $11? If everyone receives the raise nationally, bankruptcy would be in the near future.
 
Management isn't worth what people say it is. The only ones that say it's worth so much are those in management. "I've paid my dues, went to school, blah blah blah" go fuck yourself. I'm in management. We're overpaid.
 
Job markets dictate wages

wrong...fiat currency, tax subsidies, low interest rates out of the FED and the financialization of the US economy completely distorts wage discovery mechanisms as does having a high reserve work force on top of all that.
 
Management isn't worth what people say it is. The only ones that say it's worth so much are those in management. "I've paid my dues, went to school, blah blah blah" go fuck yourself. I'm in management. We're overpaid.

I have personally worked under several people that were over paid and for some that were worth more than they recieved
 
wrong...fiat currency, tax subsidies, low interest rates out of the FED and the financialization of the US economy completely distorts wage discovery mechanisms as does having a high reserve work force on top of all that.

By job markets, I meant # of available work force, average wages for area, etc. Where I grew up the starting wages was always minimum wage. After a few years most people topped out at around $9. (late 1990s) When it was time for me to get a job I went somewhere else and found one that paid more. This is still America(for now) we can defy even the worst of conditions and make ourselves better if we choose.
 
wrong...fiat currency, tax subsidies, low interest rates out of the FED and the financialization of the US economy completely distorts wage discovery mechanisms as does having a high reserve work force on top of all that.

Do NOT #### with The LAM!
 
By job markets, I meant # of available work force, average wages for area, etc. Where I grew up the starting wages was always minimum wage. After a few years most people topped out at around $9. (late 1990s) When it was time for me to get a job I went somewhere else and found one that paid more. This is still America(for now) we can defy even the worst of conditions and make ourselves better if we choose.

in a country where the costs of housing, energy and food was the same over time or there was no monetary inflation to reduce purchasing power a wage floor would work but that's not the world we live in. there is also the fact that 80% of Americans' live in the metro area so the cost of living is higher than than those that live in the non-metro and more rural areas of the country.

then you also have to factor in the percentage of the population that works for large firms that could pay more with out having to inflate prices which is always a business decision.

historically wage suppression has always been the biggest drive for increases in profits for large firms in the US, not innovation.
 
I hate wallmart....
 
if you interview for the job and except the wage you shouldn't be complaining that its not high enough. If workers wont except the wage walmart will be forced to offer more money to fill these positions. problem is their is no shortage of unskilled applicants
 
wages here do need to rise but the real battle with walmart should be to close their doors and shut down their slave/child labor pipeline of goods into our country.
 
problem is their is no shortage of unskilled applicants

or skilled workers for that matter, the low wage service sector is full of college educated workers. 20% of the current workforce is underemployed.

so many problems with the US economy and no easy solutions to even get started moving in the right direction. wages benefits going down and job security going down for labor while on the other end finance is GROWING by leaps and bounds making "profits" while creating nothing of value.
 
wages benefits going down and job security going down for labor while on the other end finance is GROWING by leaps and bounds making "profits" while creating nothing of value.

Finance creates nothing.
 
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