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ok thanks emma, you always have such great info lol. about how long should I wait before I eat my meal after the cardio? I've also limited my cardio to 3x a week (days i don't lift weights) and god I miss it so much. The problem with increasing my carbs anymore is I'm afraid I might gain alot of water weight which I don't want, I want to know I gain a fair amount of muscle before I go on my cut.
 
Tom_B said:
ok thanks emma, you always have such great info
You are welcome :)

about how long should I wait before I eat my meal after the cardio?
If you are doing higher intensity cardio (HR at 70% max or above) then treat it like a weights workout. You should be having your whey + carbs meal within 15 minutes of stopping. Some suggest you should be sipping the drink as you put down the last weight/step off the treadmill but others, due to the blood distribution to the muscles at this time, find that eating AS they finish working out just causes them to feel ill (no blood is going to their stomachs to help with digestion so the meal just 'sits' there). If this is the case with you then just stick to making sure you have in in the first 15 minutes after finishing.

If your cardio is of lower intensity (HR less than 70% max) then having food with in 30 minutes of finishing would be fine.

I've also limited my cardio to 3x a week (days i don't lift weights) and god I miss it so much.
I can understand this... I love being active as well and I am one of those freaky people who enjoys cardio too! Hang in there - If you love running/walking etc then just think of it as a short-term 'siesta' from these and know that once you get your weight under control you will easily be able to add another few sessions back in!

Take that focus you had for your cardio and fixate it on making sure your weights routine is HARD and HEAVY. Who knows - you might find a new love and cardio may just seem less inviting! ;)

The problem with increasing my carbs anymore is I'm afraid I might gain alot of water weight which I don't want, I want to know I gain a fair amount of muscle before I go on my cut.
Ok... Think about this logically - in all reality why are you concerned about some 'water weight'?

Water weight - aka: glycogen (which is the kind of water weight you are talking about, not sodium/bloat related water weight) is not a big deal and it is certainly not 'your enemy'. Sure, if you are trying to cut for a comp it is not the best, but in terms of athletic potential and having available energy for anabolism it is GREAT!

What this type of water weight is, is water that is drawn into your muscles (and liver) in association with re-filling your energy stores. It will mean your muscle (and liver) glycogen supplies are full and this means your body has energy to use when you train, as well as energy for your muscles to repair and grow (AND by having your liver glycogen full you are giving the rest of your body - like your brain - enough energy to function as well!!!)!

This is ESSENTIAL for what you are trying to achieve!!

So now tell me - what is so bad about it?

Also - Do you constantly feel tired? Run down? Mentally Slow? Or do you not have enough energy to jump around and be active (other than your 'essential' workouts?)? If so, then you might find that you will really benefit from replacing your bodies glycogen supplies and making this energy available for your body to use when it needs it! You might just find you FEEL BETTER when you allow your body this energy!


Now - You can not gain HEAPS of water weight - the average 70-75kg male (150-164 lb) can only really store 100g of glycogen in the liver and ~400g glycogen in his muscles... So someone your size is likely to only have the capacity to store a maximum of about 80g of glycogen in the liver (this is equivalent to ~0.75lb 'water weight') and about 300g glycogen in your muscles (~ 2.6 lbs)! So, at the end of the day, if your glycogen stores are full, you would have gained ~ 3.4 lb in water... This is not a big deal and certainly not worth compromising your recovery and gains for!


Really - try it and see... What have you got to loose?
 
lol thanks again, how do you know all this stuff? lol you must read ALOT of books/sites.

Ok say if I eat my breakfast then 15 mins later i do 20 minutes of cardio, then I was another 20 minutes for my snack that's only 55 minutes, isn't that too soon cause your suppos to eat every 2-3 hours.

Also I am pretty tired during school days, I feel so run down but on the weekends I'm fine, so should I forget about the 2 days of the week where I eat 200 calories and just stick to the 280 calories 7 days a week?
Also I'm getting some real weights tomorrow, this guy's cousin is seeling a bench, barbells,dumbbells, about 100 pounds ranged out for only $60 :D, I can't wait, and I'm really gonna concentrate on my weights lol by the end I might just end up liking weights more than cardio, but nothing will ever beat my hour walks :D
 
alright i figured i did some studying and came up with this meal plan.

1 cup oatmeal
1 scoop whey protein

tuna/chicken
brown rice
carrotes/string beans

pear
1 scoop whey protein

tuna/whey protein

HIT THE WEIGHTS

2 scoops of whey protein
sweet potato
broccoli

egg whites
almonds
cottage cheese

I did the counting ...came out with 2500 calories. 314g of protein...And i cycle carbs.. mon=carbs included in 3 out of 5 meals...tuesday=2 out of 5 meals. wedns=NO CARBS...and i repeat
 
Tom_B said:
Ok say if I eat my breakfast then 15 mins later i do 20 minutes of cardio, then I was another 20 minutes for my snack that's only 55 minutes, isn't that too soon cause your suppos to eat every 2-3 hours.
Is there any way you can push that out to waiting 30 minutes after eating before you hit the cardio? 15 minutes is really not enough time to digest anything and so you will not get the benefits from the meal...

Also, if you are eating closer than about 1hr prior to training your best bet is to go for a 'liquid meal' - whey + yoghurt/milk/fruit - as you will probably find a solid meal will be too heavy.

If you push it out to 30 minutes - then it will probably be about 1.5 hrs before you eat again (20-25 min for cardio + 20 min afterwards) so that is fine.

The 2-3hr time thing comes from the belief that this is the time your body generally takes to drop into a 'post-absorptive' state following a meal. That means that this is roughly the amount of time it takes for your bodies insulin actions to react to the blood glucose rise following a meal and cause it to come back down again. It is therefore when your other hormones (like glucogon and cortisol) start to be the primary 'forces' in maintaining your blood glucose levels and is also when your bodies 'hunger signals' will start to kick in... This is what you want to avoid!!

Anyway - it is more of a guide as to 'maximum time' rather than a minimum... You are better off supplying your body with fuel to recover from exercise than 'waiting' to eat by the clock! ;)


Also I am pretty tired during school days, I feel so run down but on the weekends I'm fine, so should I forget about the 2 days of the week where I eat 200 calories and just stick to the 280 calories 7 days a week?
Ok - Do you see the problem here??
'Trying to add mass' + 'tired/run down feeling' = failure to achieve goals!

The LAST thing you should be feeling when trying to add quality mass is tired and over-worked. You need to REST your body for it to repair and grow quality tissue! Stress it out and all you will achieve is increased cortisol - which means more fat tissue, less muscle tissue and less muscle growth potential (not to mention things like decreased immunity, decreased stamina, decreased mental efficiency and decreased general health!!).

Good Diet + Excellent Training + Adequate Rest = MUSCLE GROWTH!

So - DEFINITELY keep your calories higher if you need the fuel... Your body will thank you.

Also I'm getting some real weights tomorrow, this guy's cousin is seeling a bench, barbells,dumbbells, about 100 pounds ranged out for only $60 :D, I can't wait, and I'm really gonna concentrate on my weights
Good to see! :thumb:

You will soon find that weight training is JUST as endorphin creating (if not more) than your cardio sessions!

Hmmm... Do you know what you are going to do in terms of weight training yet? Have you done weights before?
 
yup I can defiently wait 1.5 hours after breakfast, thats no problem.
I think the reason I feel so sluggish and tired is because after school started my sleep has been messed up (which I know you need to gain size) before school started I was getting 8-9 hours of sleep a day, but now that school started I'm only getting 6-6.5, because I wake up every morning at 5am to lift, then I go to school, get home make my snack, then about half an hour later I go to work, get home at 8pm, then i have to do my homework and prepare all my meals for the next day and by that time it's either 10:30 or 11:00, the only thing I can think of is maybe having a half an hour snap before work.
And I'm definetly getting rid of the 2000 calorie days, I weighed my self today and I lost 2 pounds, even after i took out the cardio, but my guess is that It coulda been water. SO I'm starting over at 120....ugh fun, god I hate my body.
I've never really lifted real weights before, I've kinda experimented with them at the suck ass gym at our school like squats and calv raises and some other stuff but nothing big. As for my routine I plan on using the p/rr/s one, I was doing my own version of p/rr/s on my cable pulley and my god I loved it :D, the first week after I switched the stuff around i was actually sore lol. But I'm probably just gonna change some stuff around to fit me.
 
Tom_B said:
Also I'm getting some real weights tomorrow, this guy's cousin is seeling a bench, barbells,dumbbells, about 100 pounds ranged out for only $60 :D, I can't wait, and I'm really gonna concentrate on my weights lol by the end I might just end up liking weights more than cardio, but nothing will ever beat my hour walks :D
Dont forget you also need to exercise your legs. Keep in mind the points pointed out by emma in an earlier post about squat racks. DONT ignore your legs. it is a common mistake done by most people. And i mean exercise them with weights, not cardio or long walks. with a good workout, you will be pretty beat! :p
 
joey2005 said:
alright i figured i did some studying and came up with this meal plan.

1 cup oatmeal
1 scoop whey protein

tuna/chicken
brown rice
carrotes/string beans

pear
1 scoop whey protein

tuna/whey protein

HIT THE WEIGHTS

2 scoops of whey protein
sweet potato
broccoli

egg whites
almonds
cottage cheese

I did the counting ...came out with 2500 calories. 314g of protein...And i cycle carbs.. mon=carbs included in 3 out of 5 meals...tuesday=2 out of 5 meals. wedns=NO CARBS...and i repeat
Are you sure you got the macros calc correct? Here is my present cut diet which is ttl cals 1920. And i am 6' presently 172 which is between 11x and 12x my body weight:
Meal#1
1tbsp olive oil
125ml oats (raw measure)
1 scoop Whey Protein

Meal#2
125ml rice
100g chicken
1Apple
250ml veg

Meal#3
1Apple
1 scoop Whey Protein
2caps fish oil
125ml oats (raw measure)

Meal#4
2 tbsp (60ml) pasta sauce
Pasta (43g dry weight)
** train **
1 scoop Whey Protein

Meal#5
250ml peas n carrots
1tb light caesars dressing
2caps fish oil
1can tuna

Meal#6
1tbsp olive oil
250g Cottage Cheese

TOTAL 1918.5(cals) 178(carbs) 65.4(fats) 185.8(pro)
Percent Makeup 100.00% 34.84% 28.80% 36.36%
 
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