Will Non-Christians go to Hell?

[Nick+]

I think this pic and post best describes how pathetic and barbaric most people still are.....I would believe in Santa long before I would believe in the Bible or any other ilk like it.

Santa was a pagan.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3136.html

 

[Pepper]

just because someone doesnt believe in it, it does not make it untrue

well done.

 

[Pepper]

This is a genuine question - if hypothetically it is true that non-christians will go to hell, does that mean that all the people before christ are in hell?

Before Christ they had the law. The Old Testament.

They had rituals like sacrifices, circumcision.

 

[bio-chem]

Are you afraid of the boogeyman?

yes

 

[maniclion]

Valhalla I am comiiiiiiiiiiing!

 

[Tier]

I like when they use God to fight demons, two imaginary things at war, WHO WILL WIN????

 

[The Monkey Man]

Before Christ they had the law. The Old Testament.

They had rituals like sacrifices, circumcision.

Yeah, and after christ they had
the Crusades,
the Dark Ages & the Plague years,
the Inquisition,
the Witch trials,
the Holocaust...



Oops sorry, my bad on those!

 

[Pepper]

Yeah, and after christ they had
the Crusades,
the Dark Ages & the Plague years,
the Inquisition,
the Witch trials,
the Holocaust...



Oops sorry, my bad on those!

So, what is your point? People are evil? I'd agree.

 

[Pepper]

I am trying to remember what part of the Bible tells you that once you become a believer that you no longer have evil in you.

 

[The Monkey Man]

I am trying to remember what part of the Bible tells you that once you become a believer that you no longer have evil in you.

The part where an individual, ceases to have individual thoughts.



And thats not really the bible, it's the organized groups that sell the merits of the bible.
(If this doesn't apply to you... disregard)

 

[bio-chem]

The part where an individual, ceases to have individual thoughts.



And thats not really the bible, it's the organized groups that sell the merits of the bible.
(If this doesn't apply to you... disregard)

nowhere did Christ ever teach us to loose individual thoughts. why are you always trying to instigate things?

 

[KelJu]

nowhere did Christ ever teach us to loose individual thoughts. why are you always trying to instigate things?

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He isn???t. Read his post again, because you didn't understand it apparently.

 

[The Monkey Man]

First of all, jesus was a magician...
(thats my belief)


But I didn't mention Christ...

2nd, I "SAID" it's organized groups that do this..
meaning they use the written words to encourage tunnel vision...

3rd, I even threw in... 4 you to disregard, if you felt you are a free thinker..

 

[bio-chem]

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He isn???t. Read his post again, because you didn't understand it apparently.

the organized groups that sell the merits of the bible. the conection is still being made, despite the double talk. let him answer the question as it was directed towards him

 

[The Monkey Man]

And lets get straight that I have no problem with a person having spirituality
or faith, or belief, its constitutional...

Now, I "personally" find christianity humorous...


Its the organization of it, where "I" think the positives of any faith become corrupted..

 

[KelJu]

the organized groups that sell the merits of the bible. the conection is still being made, despite the double talk. let him answer the question as it was directed towards him

"Let"? What do you mean "let"? I am not Monkey Man's master.
Monkey man can post whatever he wants, you can post whatever you want, and I will post whatever I want.

I was simply pointing out the fact that you completely misunderstood what he was saying, plus you are accusing him of something I didn't see him do.
But since you want to take that attitude I will throw into the debate a few observations I made years ago.

Right before I completely lost my faith, I would ask priest, preachers, and religious adults questions for which I could never get answers for. All Christians for whom I asked these questions would never give me an answer, but would dance around the subject as if they were hiding something. So, here is a sample of what I had going through my head at the age of 14 and lets see what you can give me:

God is all powerful, all loving, and all knowing. Innocent children are dying everyday from horrible diseases, hunger, and war. God is all knowing so you know he knows they need his help. God is all powerful, so you know he has the power to help them. God is all loving, so you know he wouldn???t turn a blind eye.
Well this proposes a logical error. There is absolutely no way for the above statement to be true. Something is wrong, so either god is not all powerful, not all knowing, or not all loving. So is the precious King James Bible is wrong?

God has a divine plan. God gave us free will.
This is another logical error. Either you have free will, or you are living by a divine plan. You can???t do both at the same time. So, is the King James Bible wrong?

Books often lose meaning or messages become distorted when translating from one language to another. The King James Bible is a work that has been proven to have been translated over 7 times, and probably many times more. Is it fair to say that much of what is in the King James Bible is not factually correct, and that living your life by a flawed outdated book is not only impractical, but dangerous?

If you do not believe that the bible is factually correct and that Jesus was not the son of God, but you do believe in God and you live your life as honest and good as you can in honor of God, do you still go to hell for not recognizing Jesus Christ as your personal savior?

Why were the dinosaurs never mentioned in the bible?

Why were the Neanderthal Cavemen never mentioned in the bible?

One of the Ten Commandments states: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
So why does every church in North America have statues of Jesus, stained glass windows of Jesus and angels, and painted merils of heavenly objects?

Is one sin worse than another?

If one sin carries the same weight as another, why are Christians marching to stop gay marriage, pushing legislation to prevent gambling, ect., but they haven???t said a fucking peep about people working on the Sabbath? That really looks like Christians are only standing up for the bible when it is convenient.

These are just a small portion of questions that sent me into a teenage depression while I gathered my wits enough to finally say to hell with it all. But I would love to hear you thoughts on this.

 

[aceshigh]

mormons are the worst!!!!!!!!! they beleive adam and eve came from misouri america mwahahahah and when the founder had the "scriptures" he wrote taken away,,and was told to do it again if it was for real,,and he couldnt mwahahahaha,,,,so he was proved to be bullshitting,,,,,and people still beleive this shit amazing only in america,,,,mwahahahahahahahaah

 

[The Monkey Man]

The problem with being a free thinker is that inevitably you
step on someones toes...

Organized religions take good "Ideas", like character, and honesty,
and turn them into beliefs by using some training technique...

And at some point the good "Ideas" get corrupted when
opposing "Ideas" present themselves...

In order to remain a solid organization, devotees of a particular sect
band together...

(usually through some form of scare tactic and a little elbowing
but, often simply through tradition)

eventually if sects of opposing "Ideas" disagree,
and allow enough, intolerance, and hate to enter the picture...

All good intentions get lost

And it happens everyday, from the smallest little comment made in
Joe snuffy's workplace, to a conversation on a website, to an ongoing
war in the Middle-East...

 

[The Monkey Man]

mormons are the worst!!!!!!!!! they beleive adam and eve came from misouri america mwahahahah and when the founder had the "scriptures" he wrote taken away,,and was told to do it again if it was for real,,and he couldnt mwahahahaha,,,,so he was proved to be bullshitting,,,,,and people still beleive this shit amazing only in america,,,,mwahahahahahahahaah

Thats a favorite of mine -

As Don King would say... "Only in America"

The guy wants to have sex with other women besides his wife...
(Who doesn't at one point or another)
He gets railroaded out of St. Louis, because this behavior is deemed immoral.
So he says WTH...

Starts his own religion, rewrites it so he can have as many
wives as he wants...

And people believe him -
(Or more likely, that setup just worked for them also)

 

[bio-chem]

Thats a favorite of mine -

As Don King would say... "Only in America"

The guy wants to have sex with other women besides his wife...
(Who doesn't at one point or another)
He gets railroaded out of St. Louis, because this behavior is deemed immoral.
So he says WTH...

Starts his own religion, rewrites it so he can have as many
wives as he wants...

And people believe him -
(Or more likely, that setup just worked for them also)

i hope this isnt in reference to the LDS church. if it is then its scary just how far off you are. or maybe im too niave and think people will actually look up their facts before they post.

 

[The Monkey Man]

naw, LDS separated themselves politically from Joseph Smith (the criminal)
And tightened their belt severely...

Amazing how most acts of the major founder/proprieter of LDS
are hazed and morphed into...
him being simply a prophet who the lord "spoke to"

 

[bio-chem]

"Let"? What do you mean "let"? I am not Monkey Man's master.
Monkey man can post whatever he wants, you can post whatever you want, and I will post whatever I want.

I was simply pointing out the fact that you completely misunderstood what he was saying, plus you are accusing him of something I didn't see him do.
But since you want to take that attitude I will throw into the debate a few observations I made years ago.

Right before I completely lost my faith, I would ask priest, preachers, and religious adults questions for which I could never get answers for. All Christians for whom I asked these questions would never give me an answer, but would dance around the subject as if they were hiding something. So, here is a sample of what I had going through my head at the age of 14 and lets see what you can give me:

God is all powerful, all loving, and all knowing. Innocent children are dying everyday from horrible diseases, hunger, and war. God is all knowing so you know he knows they need his help. God is all powerful, so you know he has the power to help them. God is all loving, so you know he wouldn???t turn a blind eye.
Well this proposes a logical error. There is absolutely no way for the above statement to be true. Something is wrong, so either god is not all powerful, not all knowing, or not all loving. So is the precious King James Bible is wrong?

God has a divine plan. God gave us free will.
This is another logical error. Either you have free will, or you are living by a divine plan. You can???t do both at the same time. So, is the King James Bible wrong?

Books often lose meaning or messages become distorted when translating from one language to another. The King James Bible is a work that has been proven to have been translated over 7 times, and probably many times more. Is it fair to say that much of what is in the King James Bible is not factually correct, and that living your life by a flawed outdated book is not only impractical, but dangerous?

If you do not believe that the bible is factually correct and that Jesus was not the son of God, but you do believe in God and you live your life as honest and good as you can in honor of God, do you still go to hell for not recognizing Jesus Christ as your personal savior?

Why were the dinosaurs never mentioned in the bible?

Why were the Neanderthal Cavemen never mentioned in the bible?

One of the Ten Commandments states: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
So why does every church in North America have statues of Jesus, stained glass windows of Jesus and angels, and painted merils of heavenly objects?

Is one sin worse than another?

If one sin carries the same weight as another, why are Christians marching to stop gay marriage, pushing legislation to prevent gambling, ect., but they haven???t said a fucking peep about people working on the Sabbath? That really looks like Christians are only standing up for the bible when it is convenient.

These are just a small portion of questions that sent me into a teenage depression while I gathered my wits enough to finally say to hell with it all. But I would love to hear you thoughts on this.

here are the answers to your questions. im suprised no one answered them for you.

Yes God is all powerful. so why does he allow bad to happen? as part of the plan He prepared for us, we are here to learn the difference between good and evil. we must experience both, that is why we are here. to learn. i dont see how him being omniscient, and omnipotent means He must stop all bad things from happening.

if God has a divine plan then we cannot have free will? you misunderstood the meaning of divine plan. His plan is indeed divine and part of it is for us to learn by using our free will. we have the opportunity to learn about and accept or reject his plan according to our free will. there are divine consequences of each for which he is prepared. he has a plan for this world and a plan in place by which we can return to Him. He will not force us to follow this plan however. He will guide us, He will direct us if we ask for it, but he will not force us.

The bible is mostly factually correct. some errors have obviously krept into the bible over multiple translations. this does not mean the bible is useless and antiquated. God knows this and has prepared for the confusion that has resulted. when your searching for the truth you will find it.

dinosaurs? cavemen? are you serious? is this a real question? the bible is a spiritual book, the creation story takes up a very small portion of the bible for a reason. it was written to people in their time to their needs. i hardly think 2000+ years ago they were worried about dinosaurs and cavemen. just like they didnt write about porn on the internet. it wasnt relavant to their ability to follow the plan of God. needless to say our anscestors are not monkeys.

is one sin worse than another? yes. thats the easiest answer for you. any child can recognize murder is more serious than coveting your neighbors goods. the order of the ten commandments is specific for a reason.

im sure i didnt answer questions 100% to your liking and thats fine. if you disagree thats fine let me know and id discuss any of these further with you

 

[bio-chem]

naw, LDS separated themselves politically from Joseph Smith (the criminal)
And tightened their belt severely...

Amazing how most acts of the major founder/proprieter of LDS
are hazed and morphed into...
him being simply a prophet who the lord "spoke to"

Joseph Smith a criminal? what law did he break? and how has the LDS church separated from him in any way? politically? what do you mean by that?

 

[The Monkey Man]

It was a political move that when LDS formed
they forbade poligamy...

Well, If I remember correct JS was originally thrown in jail (where he died)
for arson, trying to burn down a free press paper, who threatened to
print an article describing his sect's then common lifestyle

(I'm sure the actual events that occured back then will be
subject to debate as well)

But my main point was only in America could someone have this idea
to start (or in this case re-start) a new religion

Which was unaccepted in the east, and then after moving west
and some adjustment remains to this day

 

[bio-chem]

It was a political move that when LDS formed
they forbade poligamy...

Well, If I remember correct JS was originally thrown in jail (where he died)
for arson, trying to burn down a free press paper, who threatened to
print an article describing his sect's then common lifestyle

(I'm sure the actual events that occured back then will be
subject to debate as well)

on april 6, 1830 when the church formed in new york, polygamy was not a doctrine of the church. not much politics involved there.

Joseph Smith was thrown in jail many times by his enemies. something like 40 times, though never convicted. and as to the events that got him thrown in jail before he died, they would very much be debated.

 

[bio-chem]

But my main point was only in America could someone have this idea
to start (or in this case re-start) a new religion

Which was unaccepted in the east, and then after moving west
and some adjustment remains to this day

where was the Lutheran church formed? Calvinists? Church of England?
only in America could someone have the idea of starting a new religion? it happened throughout europe. why not america? what is your meaning of re-start a new religion? and i think that the problem in the east is that it was accepted and thats what scared people. if it wasnt accepted it wouldnt have been forced to move, and none would have followed.

 

[MyK]

 

[maxpro2]

http://www.wimp.com/politics/

 

[The Monkey Man]

 

[aceshigh]

sir joseph smith was a bullshit artist dum dum dum dum dum