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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-bills-reports-claim.amp.html?client=safari

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/10bb...-contractors-still-angry-trump-taj-bankruptcy

Also, good businessmen don't file bankruptcy once, let alone 3, 4 times.

Also if Trump would have just put his inheritance in the stock market at a 10% growth he would have way more money than he currently does. lol. This idea that he's a good business man is a joke.


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One thing I want to make clear; I don't really like a lot of how Trump operates; he's not what I would hope for in how he acts. That was Ronald Reagan; all class and still got this done.

But here's the thing; if you have a shit load of rats and vermin in the basement you want them out of there and dead! If the best exterminator is an ugly hillbilly with his butt crack showing and tobacco juice running down the side of his mouth; I'll put up with all that gross stuff as long as he reins down hell on the vermin and gets them out of my basement!

To me; that's Trump, he's a bit gross, but damn if he isn't reining down hell down on the vermin!
 
First off a lot of businessmen go bankrupt and many more than once; I should have done it once, but I didn't and it really cost me several years. That alone is no way to judge someone for their whole life.

Two of the stories are sub contractors who did not get paid 100%. could be Trumps company or Trump did screw them it could also be that they did not preform according to their contract. I'm an electrical contractor, every contract I sign has performance clauses and if I don't preform according to the demands of the contract, it is going to cost me. Before you decide who screwed who, I want to see the other side of the story.

One of your stories says he was sued 60 times.. Doesn't say if he won or lost; hell I've been in business 33 years, I've been sued several times, lost some won some. Lawsuits rarely if ever present all the facts and end up being just; they are usually settled and both parties fell screwed.

I don't know what he inherited, do you? I also don't know his net worth; do you?

Seems to me like you already had your mind made up and went looking for anything that would support your pre-conceived positions.

Lets see the other side of the debate and when you can make the points the other side would make, then you will understand both sides.

hoyle21 said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-bills-reports-claim.amp.html?client=safari

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/10bb...-contractors-still-angry-trump-taj-bankruptcy

Also, good businessmen don't file bankruptcy once, let alone 3, 4 times.

Also if Trump would have just put his inheritance in the stock market at a 10% growth he would have way more money than he currently does. lol. This idea that he's a good business man is a joke.


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He's literally filling his cabinet with billionaires, how is this "swamp draining"? Is he draining it to fill it with nuclear waste instead?
These people didn't make their money by taking care of other people which what they are now entrusted to do. Like it or not but some of the relative freedom our country enjoys is because of our government...doing things like calling for someone to purchase all of the press so it can have a muzzle put on it. And detaining bona-fide citizens of the US without representation or council when they've committed no actual crime is a really dangerous and slippery slope. Telling another country you'll send troops to their country (mexico) to deal with their drug cartel after you've just made threatening moves and agenda to that country is crazy talk...as is basically threatening to call in the national Guard to Chicago to straighten out its murder rate...why doesn't shit like that cause giant alarm bells?? How does that not scream dictatorship to you.
 
solidassears said:
First off a lot of businessmen go bankrupt and many more than once; I should have done it once, but I didn't and it really cost me several years. That alone is no way to judge someone for their whole life.

Two of the stories are sub contractors who did not get paid 100%. could be Trumps company or Trump did screw them it could also be that they did not preform according to their contract. I'm an electrical contractor, every contract I sign has performance clauses and if I don't preform according to the demands of the contract, it is going to cost me. Before you decide who screwed who, I want to see the other side of the story.

One of your stories says he was sued 60 times.. Doesn't say if he won or lost; hell I've been in business 33 years, I've been sued several times, lost some won some. Lawsuits rarely if ever present all the facts and end up being just; they are usually settled and both parties fell screwed.

I don't know what he inherited, do you? I also don't know his net worth; do you?

Seems to me like you already had your mind made up and went looking for anything that would support your pre-conceived positions.

Lets see the other side of the debate and when you can make the points the other side would make, then you will understand both sides.
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10 million dollars...he inherited if memory serves me correct because it was public information that was published in several major newspapers...and whatever the number was he didn't deny it.
Trump steaks? Trump vodka?

I've only ever seen trump hotel in NY and vegas and the one in NY is a run down shit hole the last time I was there (been a few yrs to be fair) and the one in vegas I didn't go in because I was too busy being in love with Caesars decor.
 
solidassears said:
Citations please, I would like to see the proof of that one. Not saying it didn't happen; but I've seen this charge a number of times, but never any detail or citation as to who he didn't pay or why etc. There's usually more than one side to every story ya know.

And the government does that all the time; I know I have to collect from them; I'm a contractor and right now the State and Feds owe me a huge pile of money and it's late.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...trump-not-paying-his-bills-reports-claim.html
 
Yes they are all successful people, very smart, dedicated and brilliant. Not a bunch of never done anything academics who usually sit in the faculty lounge and solve all the worlds problems from their easy chair. These men have done things and been successful. I like that, I'm not a hater when someone is successful that's your socialists communists speaking, not me. None of them need the job, none of them need government checks.

So you judge people for being successful, shame on you! This is America where the sky is the limit and you are only limited by your own dreams and dedication.

Lets see how these guys do; IMO can't possibly be worse than the idiots Obama appointed. But I am going to wait and see how they do and I'm not going to judge them for being successful.

I didn't judge Obama for his race, I judge him as a failure because of what he did and how he destroyed and divided us.

SheriV said:
He's literally filling his cabinet with billionaires, how is this "swamp draining"? Is he draining it to fill it with nuclear waste instead?
These people didn't make their money by taking care of other people which what they are now entrusted to do. Like it or not but some of the relative freedom our country enjoys is because of our government...doing things like calling for someone to purchase all of the press so it can have a muzzle put on it. And detaining bona-fide citizens of the US without representation or council when they've committed no actual crime is a really dangerous and slippery slope. Telling another country you'll send troops to their country (mexico) to deal with their drug cartel after you've just made threatening moves and agenda to that country is crazy talk...as is basically threatening to call in the national Guard to Chicago to straighten out its murder rate...why doesn't shit like that cause giant alarm bells?? How does that not scream dictatorship to you.
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I file liens all the time; doesn't mean I always win. Doesn't even mean I'm right, that is decided in court if it gets that far. Usually liens are settled out of court and both sides feel screwed.

When you look at the number and magnitude of his building projects; it is a tiny amount of disputes. I have more than that going right now and my company does less than 1% of what his does.

Get real, no one is perfect and there will always be disputes. It's the nature of business, no one always gets paid what they think they should be paid.

SheriV said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-business-plan-left-a-trail-of-unpaid-bills-1465504454


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-of-a-million-dollars/?utm_term=.cee80a28abd3


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lls-to-over-5-million/?utm_term=.1341ac1553f5

liens are public record man

does that sound like chasing one or two bills to you?
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solidassears said:
Yes they are all successful people, very smart, dedicated and brilliant. Not a bunch of never done anything academics who usually sit in the faculty lounge and solve all the worlds problems from their easy chair. These men have done things and been successful. I like that, I'm not a hater when someone is successful that's your socialists communists speaking, not me. None of them need the job, none of them need government checks.

So you judge people for being successful, shame on you! This is America where the sky is the limit and you are only limited by your own dreams and dedication.

Lets see how these guys do; IMO can't possibly be worse than the idiots Obama appointed. But I am going to wait and see how they do and I'm not going to judge them for being successful.

I didn't judge Obama for his race, I judge him as a failure because of what he did and how he destroyed and divided us.
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smh....I don't know how you count a recovered economy..that was in the absolute toilet when it was inherited...and 20 million people insured (though the insurance is flawed- badly) the assassination of osama bin laden (remember that guy) and not ONE outside attack on US soil a failed administration

why..because he helped steer legislature that allowed trans gendered people to use whatever restroom? its not like he passed that shit all by himself man
because of benghazi? I mean..do you know the whole fucking story there? again? have you ever served in the military- do you know what a war zone looks like? Im not even remotely surprised information on the event wasnt totally clear for the first 24 hrs....

youre insurance premiums went through the roof because your republican congress refused to be tighter caps on their premiums...refused! because that would hurt their stock interests
 
solidassears said:
I file liens all the time; doesn't mean I always win. Doesn't even mean I'm right, that is decided in court if it gets that far. Usually liens are settled out of court and both sides feel screwed.

When you look at the number and magnitude of his building projects; it is a tiny amount of disputes. I have more than that going right now and my company does less than 1% of what his does.

Get real, no one is perfect and there will always be disputes. It's the nature of business, no one always gets paid what they think they should be paid.
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how do you know what he does in business?? he refuses to post any financial information on it? he basically manages hotels and golf courses...he says he doesnt pay any taxes because hes smart but warren buffet does? so warren buffet must be an idiot?

i dont even track you man- you think not paying some 500 employees..regular hourly help their overtime is just the cost of doing business? not paying your campaign is normal?
 
read ALL of the articles..don't just skim one- you said you wanted info but then you refuse to look at it
 
I look at the labor participation rate and the total family income. The other numbers are false reporting of the real facts. For example the unemployment rate is a joke; it you quit looking for work, you're not counted as unemployed. Look at the labor participation rate, that tells the read story. The family or indiual income also tells the real story about how Obama's policies have destroyed the middle class.

And as far as killing Osama, how was it Obama and Hillary helped?

You have the Leftist talking points down; I'll give you that. But none of it is reality, it's all BS and spin. Yeah I know Trump is all wrong, but give him 8 years and lets see how things go. I hated what Obama did but I didn't riot or scream obscenities, he was elected and until he was out of office he was the President, my president. You may not like Trump, but you're acting like a spoiled child just like all the left is. Grow up and give him a chance to success or fail.

SheriV said:
smh....I don't know how you count a recovered economy..that was in the absolute toilet when it was inherited...and 20 million people insured (though the insurance is flawed- badly) the assassination of osama bin laden (remember that guy) and not ONE outside attack on US soil a failed administration

why..because he helped steer legislature that allowed trans gendered people to use whatever restroom? its not like he passed that shit all by himself man
because of benghazi? I mean..do you know the whole fucking story there? again? have you ever served in the military- do you know what a war zone looks like? Im not even remotely surprised information on the event wasnt totally clear for the first 24 hrs....

youre insurance premiums went through the roof because your republican congress refused to be tighter caps on their premiums...refused! because that would hurt their stock interests
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for the last time...a presidential term is 4 years..not 8!!

fuck!
 
Why should he post anything he's not required to? Obama would never let anyone see his transcripts or how he paid for his tuition, why no outcry about that?

Obama lived his whole life with one thing in mind, to be a public figure and a politician, none of what he did was productive in life, it was all a show to get ready to be in office. Even so he only released things that would make him look good or that which was required. If I were Trump I would do the same thing, I would post only what I was required to post. Knowing that anything I post the media would lie about and try to use it to destroy me, I would not post anything I didn't have to.


SheriV said:
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how do you know what he does in business?? he refuses to post any financial information on it? he basically manages hotels and golf courses...he says he doesnt pay any taxes because hes smart but warren buffet does? so warren buffet must be an idiot?

i dont even track you man- you think not paying some 500 employees..regular hourly help their overtime is just the cost of doing business? not paying your campaign is normal?
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solidassears said:
I look at the labor participation rate and the total family income. The other numbers are false reporting of the real facts. For example the unemployment rate is a joke; it you quit looking for work, you're not counted as unemployed. Look at the labor participation rate, that tells the read story. The family or indiual income also tells the real story about how Obama's policies have destroyed the middle class.

And as far as killing Osama, how was it Obama and Hillary helped?

You have the Leftist talking points down; I'll give you that. But none of it is reality, it's all BS and spin. Yeah I know Trump is all wrong, but give him 8 years and lets see how things go. I hated what Obama did but I didn't riot or scream obscenities, he was elected and until he was out of office he was the President, my president. You may not like Trump, but you're acting like a spoiled child just like all the left is. Grow up and give him a chance to success or fail.
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Im afraid not acting like a spoiled child- major businesses have condemned him- and what did you say? they're rich and successful because they're smart? or does that only work when they're taking jobs with Trump?

I see my countries civil liberties being torn to shreds in record time_ I couldnt give a shit that your small business pussy hurts in the face of that.
My options for leaving the country are VERY limited because of a minor criminal record from 16 yrs ago- or trust me- Id leave.


and you know what? I served my country in the armed forces- as a ground medic for a CSH so you can fuck right off telling me Im a spoiled child..what the fuck have you done for your country besides cry about your insurance and vote away my childrens lives
 
solidassears said:
Why should he post anything he's not required to? Obama would never let anyone see his transcripts or how he paid for his tuition, why no outcry about that?

Obama lived his whole life with one thing in mind, to be a public figure and a politician, none of what he did was productive in life, it was all a show to get ready to be in office. Even so he only released things that would make him look good or that which was required. If I were Trump I would do the same thing, I would post only what I was required to post. Knowing that anything I post the media would lie about and try to use it to destroy me, I would not post anything I didn't have to.
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he started out as a civil rights attorney and dabled in minor corporate law
his grandmother paid for private school for him, he went to columbia then harvard...he was very interested in the black community but he was largely rejected from it being half white- he graduated magna cum laude- he had a full scholarship. He wanted to get involved in politics to help his community- he was thoroughly vetted and had NO skeletons in his closet- the best anyone could come up with was that he wasn't born in the US and even Trump admitted that was horseshit.
he and his wife- who was a hot shit corporate attorney have both posted their tax returns- ad nauseum ..their financial records are pretty easy to find.







so answer the question- not paying more than 500 regular hourly paid employees their OT is normal?
 
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I hear paid protesters show up at events a lot- Im gonna have to assume paid protestors for the right showed up at Berkley to point out how violent the left is

with their prius's (whats the plural of prius?) and trees..and herbal tree

they get way out of hand with their hemp bracelets and mountain bikes sometimes
 
What civil right are those?

The rest of your post is just unhinged ranting, but I would like to know what civil rights you're losing.


SheriV said:
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Im afraid not acting like a spoiled child- major businesses have condemned him- and what did you say? they're rich and successful because they're smart? or does that only work when they're taking jobs with Trump?

I see my countries civil liberties being torn to shreds in record time_ I couldnt give a shit that your small business pussy hurts in the face of that.
My options for leaving the country are VERY limited because of a minor criminal record from 16 yrs ago- or trust me- Id leave.


and you know what? I served my country in the armed forces- as a ground medic for a CSH so you can fuck right off telling me Im a spoiled child..what the fuck have you done for your country besides cry about your insurance and vote away my childrens lives
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I fail to see what where you want to walk down the street has anything to do with the NYT article; explain please.

As for what do birth control polls treat? As I understand it, many women benefit from the pill as it help with irregular or heavy menstrual periods, cramps, acne, PMS and some other female health issues. In addition what it is usually used for is to prevent pregnancy.

I've never taken them, but I have heard about it from females I know and I can and do read.

SheriV said:
to be able to walk freely as a citizen in my country

and if you don't think thats being threatened- you aren't paying attention

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/...hts-justice-department-donald-trump.html?_r=0



let me ask you this-which I fully expect you not to answer- because you haven't answered a single direct question yet-

what do birth control pills treat?
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You changed the subject and while you accuse me of not answering questions; I detailed how what you were posting about the economy and jobs is pure BS; so you ignore that and head off in another rant. Pot let me introduce you the kettle.


SheriV said:
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Im afraid not acting like a spoiled child- major businesses have condemned him- and what did you say? they're rich and successful because they're smart? or does that only work when they're taking jobs with Trump?

I see my countries civil liberties being torn to shreds in record time_ I couldnt give a shit that your small business pussy hurts in the face of that.
My options for leaving the country are VERY limited because of a minor criminal record from 16 yrs ago- or trust me- Id leave.


and you know what? I served my country in the armed forces- as a ground medic for a CSH so you can fuck right off telling me Im a spoiled child..what the fuck have you done for your country besides cry about your insurance and vote away my childrens lives
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you win. Trump is the greatest thing ever- pls refer to my other thread


Im converted..I love trump...Im gonna get a tattoo of his orange head on my bum

I have tit tattoo...so its match..it'll be great!
 
Damn, I wasn't trying to win, I was trying to get you to look at something different than what you see every day.

Even if you silence a foe; you have not converted him.. Not trying to silence or convert, just want people to stop, and give our new President a chance. Let him fail or succeed on the merits of what he does; not according to a media that hates his guts and has done from the day he announced.


SheriV said:
you win. Trump is the greatest thing ever- pls refer to my other thread


Im converted..I love trump...Im gonna get a tattoo of his orange head on my bum

I have tit tattoo...so its match..it'll be great!
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Oh and I would love to see the tattoo..

Did you read the original article I posted on this thread?



SheriV said:
you win. Trump is the greatest thing ever- pls refer to my other thread


Im converted..I love trump...Im gonna get a tattoo of his orange head on my bum

I have tit tattoo...so its match..it'll be great!
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SheriV said:
you win. Trump is the greatest thing ever- pls refer to my other thread


Im converted..I love trump...Im gonna get a tattoo of his orange head on my bum

I have tit tattoo...so its match..it'll be great!
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nothing the trumpers like more than whipping a dead horse, that's why 'the Donald' keeps repeating his greatest victories... what a boring asshole..
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the rioting is getting out of control, you would think if Obama or Clinton cared about this country they would step up and say something, but instead Obama says he is happy about the "protests", however they are not peaceful protests, have not been for months now.
 
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