working out on weed.

[Squaggleboggin]

Obviously Kerry's votes were to please constituants, which does not make him a dumbfuck. Bush's inablilty to speak words, or do many things right makes him a dumbfuck.

I'd rather have a president with the ablility to make a decision than one with the ability to publicly speak. After all, the only things that really matter in life are the things you write down...

 

[CowPimp]

I'd rather have a president with the ablility to make a decision than one with the ability to publicly speak. After all, the only things that really matter in life are the things you write down...

Oh he can make decisions alright. Wrong decisions.

 

[Squaggleboggin]

Oh he can make decisions alright. Wrong decisions.

Better than doing nothing. I'd rather go to war than sit on my ass and wait for the next attack.

 

[CowPimp]

Better than doing nothing. I'd rather go to war than sit on my ass and wait for the next attack.

If you didn't know, Iraq is not connected to Al Queda. As well, they didn't have weapons of mass destruction. The reason we attacked them is because we didn't want them to do to us what we did to them. We were wrong. All these deaths based on a false pretense? Sounds like a pretty horrible decision to me.

 

[Squaggleboggin]

Actually I'm very behind when it comes to the news. Not one single person from Al Queda was hiding in Iraq and had to move because of troops moving in? What about Hussein? He wasn't exactly a good leader. What if they did have weapons of mass destruction? Isn't it better to at least check? Plus we've been trying to catch the Taliban, etc. - would Kerry have said not to do that too? Seems kind of stupid.

Personally, I think we should train our citizens to get pissed off at anyone who threatens us. For example, someone breaks into your house. You get a few bats with barbed wire tied around them and wake everyone up and give them one of these weapons. You do whatever it takes to kill, decapacitate, etc. the thief. If this happens enough, people aren't particularly going to want to try breaking into houses anymore. Same thing with a plain - have every person get absolutely pissed at whoever tries to hijack it. They can only take out so many of the people on the plane before they die, really. Crazy? Yes. Effective? Yes. Muahahhahaha... I'm in a really weird mood today.

 

[Decker]

I like to lift when I'm 'altered.' ....this looks familiar. I think I was here before.

 

[CowPimp]

Actually I'm very behind when it comes to the news. Not one single person from Al Queda was hiding in Iraq and had to move because of troops moving in? What about Hussein? He wasn't exactly a good leader. What if they did have weapons of mass destruction? Isn't it better to at least check? Plus we've been trying to catch the Taliban, etc. - would Kerry have said not to do that too? Seems kind of stupid.

The question is not as to whether or not there is a single person in Iraq that belongs to Al Queda. There is no question that there is. However, there is also no question that there are members of Al Queda in the US. A few people doesn't warrant a war.

I never said Hussein was a good leader. Throwing out dictatorships is not something the US typically does. We like to install dictatorships. There were obviously other reasons for going to war with them.

You make it sound so easy to "at least check" for weapons of mass destruction. Those few little words equate to killing tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens. What if everyone on the planet decided that whenever they suspected someone of doing something bad they should attack them? We would be in perpetual war throughout the glove. Pre-emptive war is wrong. Period.

I don't know what Kerry would have done. Speculating on that is pointless. The point is that the results of Bush's decision are not favorable.

Personally, I think we should train our citizens to get pissed off at anyone who threatens us. For example, someone breaks into your house. You get a few bats with barbed wire tied around them and wake everyone up and give them one of these weapons. You do whatever it takes to kill, decapacitate, etc. the thief. If this happens enough, people aren't particularly going to want to try breaking into houses anymore. Same thing with a plain - have every person get absolutely pissed at whoever tries to hijack it. They can only take out so many of the people on the plane before they die, really. Crazy? Yes. Effective? Yes. Muahahhahaha... I'm in a really weird mood today.

Analogies like this don't really equate to that of international foreign relations, sorry.

 

[Squaggleboggin]

The question is not as to whether or not there is a single person in Iraq that belongs to Al Queda. There is no question that there is. However, there is also no question that there are members of Al Queda in the US. A few people doesn't warrant a war.

I never said Hussein was a good leader. Throwing out dictatorships is not something the US typically does. We like to install dictatorships. There were obviously other reasons for going to war with them.

That was basically my point there. It wasn't the only reason.

You make it sound so easy to "at least check" for weapons of mass destruction. Those few little words equate to killing tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens. What if everyone on the planet decided that whenever they suspected someone of doing something bad they should attack them? We would be in perpetual war throughout the glove. Pre-emptive war is wrong. Period.

I don't remember tens of thousands of people dying when they sent teams in to check with their permission. This didn't involve any attacks. I could be thinking of something else entirely though. I don't believe pre-emptive war is always wrong. If you know someone is going to attack you, why would you wait?

I don't know what Kerry would have done. Speculating on that is pointless. The point is that the results of Bush's decision are not favorable.

Speculating on that is actually very relevant to the argument - we were comparing Bush and Kerry in the first place and it'd be interesting to know what he would have done. That is, if he could make a decision... His results were favorable in that he liberated an entire country from a dictator and set up a democracy. Even the Iraqi people agree with that.

Analogies like this don't really equate to that of international foreign relations, sorry.

It wasn't an analogy. It's just my opinion of what we should do.

 

[maniclion]

Not a good idea, why would you want to take something to relax when you're about to get active, would you take a handful of Zanaflex and go for a swim? Granted I've had weed that made me feel somewhat hyper, but most times I am completely relaxed and wouldn't want to ruin that by fighting upstream to get a workout in. Other words you're wasting a good high by not going with the flow of it, besides when you smoke it you burn most of the THC anyhow you're better of cooking with it in butter. And limit your use cause you don't need to use it all of the time, in fact I only like to use it when I have time to sit back and reflect on things kind of like a shamanistic use.

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

Obviously Kerry's votes were to please constituants, which does not make him a dumbfuck. Bush's inablilty to speak words, or do many things right makes him a dumbfuck.

opinions are like assholes...

why is this ridiculous thread still alive???

 

[CowPimp]

That was basically my point there. It wasn't the only reason.

Yeah, but they should have shared the other reasons with us. Bush has a hidden agenda to attack Iraq before he got in office. He is quoted as saying that he was determined to attack Iraq just as he got into office.

I don't remember tens of thousands of people dying when they sent teams in to check with their permission. This didn't involve any attacks. I could be thinking of something else entirely though. I don't believe pre-emptive war is always wrong. If you know someone is going to attack you, why would you wait?

Well yeah, and they should have continued with the inspections. Also, we obviously didn't know. You better be damned sure that someone is going to attack you before you attack them. Even so, I still feel it's wrong. What if you were wrong? There is always that chance. It's not worth risking in my opinion. We're talking human lives if you're wrong.

Speculating on that is actually very relevant to the argument - we were comparing Bush and Kerry in the first place and it'd be interesting to know what he would have done. That is, if he could make a decision... His results were favorable in that he liberated an entire country from a dictator and set up a democracy. Even the Iraqi people agree with that.

I never compared them. I simply said Bush is a horrible president. Certainly it would be interesting, but we will never know. Also, did the ends justify the means? It's so easy to say these things without considering all the deaths that occured, the current state of turmoil in Iraq, the economic ramifications for this country, etc.

It wasn't an analogy. It's just my opinion of what we should do.

Yeah, and you used an analogy to explain it. Even so, you think it is proper to make an example of Iraq just so that other countries don't attack us? You don't think it's going to piss people off that we went to war on totally false pretenses? I think it's going to lead to more terrorism if anything.

 

[Zac_Champigny]

I'd rather have a president with the ablility to make a decision than one with the ability to publicly speak. After all, the only things that really matter in life are the things you write down...

So what your basically saying is you would rather have a president who makes his choices based on what he wants, rather than one that listens to his party and voting base? OH.

 

[Joseph]

just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?

My work out partner and I used to smoke when we first started working out severel years ago. We would smoke right before our workout. It was like a ritual. Now that I look back I didn't much care for working out meaning it like any other activity to continue on a regular basis takes discipline which was not something I liked but I did like smoking which connected to the body building helped me actually to discipline myself to workout because I always looked forward to the smoking which avetually overrided my diselike of bodybuilding. Of course I had to discipline myself not to do the stuff after ahwile but in the mean time the body building stayed. Hope that helps.. I don't smoke anymore before my workout just in case anyones wondering.

 

[Squaggleboggin]

So what your basically saying is you would rather have a president who makes his choices based on what he wants, rather than one that listens to his party and voting base? OH.

Kerry didn't know what he was for, but he knew he was against Bush. That's pretty much it.

CowPimp:

The president doesn't always have reasons he can tell everyone. Maybe he didn't want certain people to find out, etc. Not every reason is one that can be safely revealed.

Well, it basically comes down to which human lives. Attack them and maybe be wrong and kill their citizens, or see what happens and maybe lose some of your own. That's a hard decision to make and it's easy to say your choice would differ when you're not the president and you don't know everything he does.

I still don't see how what I said was an analogy. It wasn't meant to be one and I never said we should use that for foreign relations.

 

[P-funk]

how did this thread go political?

 

[Yanick]

lol i was thinking the same thing.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

I smoked like 2 grams the other day and worked out, the only reason it affected me was because 2 grams was a little much and made me tired.It's not a good idea to work out high if you are just starting to smoke though.

 

[CowPimp]

CowPimp:

The president doesn't always have reasons he can tell everyone. Maybe he didn't want certain people to find out, etc. Not every reason is one that can be safely revealed.

Nonsense. I was kind of implying reasons like getting Haliburton no bid contracts for "restructuring" Iraq (The company which Dick Cheney still receives money from annually), the assertion of global dominance, racism toward Islamic people, etc.

The thing is he bullshitted the information he had. He lied about Iraq having connections with Niger, saying they purchased materials for the manufacturing of WMDs. In fact, the director of the CIA George Tenet told him not to use this information in his speech to America because it wasn't solid, but he used it anyway. He also said Iraq has connections to Al Queda, which is totally fabricated. There is no evidence as such.

If you can think of any other possible hidden reasons for war, please share them.

Well, it basically comes down to which human lives. Attack them and maybe be wrong and kill their citizens, or see what happens and maybe lose some of your own. That's a hard decision to make and it's easy to say your choice would differ when you're not the president and you don't know everything he does.

The situation might be different if there was sufficient evidence to indicate an attack. However, we didn't have it; Bush bullshitted the information. We also lacked international support. If you are going to goto pre-emptive war, then you better be damned sure they are going to attack and you better have international backing. No, his bullshit coallition of the willing doesn't count. That isn't international backing. For the most part, that is token support from a bunch of nations who couldn't afford to do otherwise.

I still don't see how what I said was an analogy. It wasn't meant to be one and I never said we should use that for foreign relations.

I think it was clearly an analogy, but whatever.

 

[cappo5150]

I smoked like 2 grams the other day and worked out, the only reason it affected me was because 2 grams was a little much and made me tired.It's not a good idea to work out high if you are just starting to smoke though.

Dude, if you smoked two grams by yourself. You're a champ.

 

[FranktheTank]

Dude, if you smoked two grams by yourself. You're a champ.

 

[IronmanE311]

I think that it does help you concentrate on your muscles while lifting. It almost feels like you can do as many reps as you want. But it is harder to finish a good workout and do really heavy weight. It sure does make your post workout shake taste great tho.

 

[CowPimp]

Dude, if you smoked two grams by yourself. You're a champ.

Damn straight. That's like 2 fat white boys to the dome.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

2 grams isn't that much really. People use 1/8's for brownies all the time. (3.5 grams).

 

[CowPimp]

2 grams isn't that much really. People use 1/8's for brownies all the time. (3.5 grams).

Yeah, but those bathces usually get split among a few people. Not to mention you better be prepared for some sleeping if you eat strong brownies.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

Hell ya dude, anything over 1 gram of dank and I'm sleepy in a few hours.

 

[Squaggleboggin]

It's simply ridiculous to think the president knows nothing unsafe for the general public to know. The NSA and CIA are full of secret information dealing with foreign relations. We can't and don't know what they do; the president can and does. It's that simple. I'm not saying he did have secret reasons, but saying that's nonsense is nonsense in itself.

 

[GFR]

just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?

I didn't see American buety, was it anything like American Beauty

 

[CowPimp]

It's simply ridiculous to think the president knows nothing unsafe for the general public to know. The NSA and CIA are full of secret information dealing with foreign relations. We can't and don't know what they do; the president can and does. It's that simple. I'm not saying he did have secret reasons, but saying that's nonsense is nonsense in itself.

Just don't be telling yourself there are hidden reasons for going to war to make yourself feel better about him lying about the ones he gave us. That's all.

 

[Squaggleboggin]

Just don't be telling yourself there are hidden reasons for going to war to make yourself feel better about him lying about the ones he gave us. That's all.

I can't believe you're naive enough to believe that the president tells the public everything he knows. That's simply laughable.

 

[CowPimp]

I can't believe you're naive enough to believe that the president tells the public everything he knows. That's simply laughable.

Hardly! I never said that. My point was that we shouldn't just blindly go into war based on fabrications and the potential for further hidden information.