ZMA use

[Pepper]

Originally posted by Spitfire
Will it make it harder to wake up?

It does not for me.

 

[Deeznuts]

Originally posted by Spitfire
Will it make it harder to wake up?

No, I wakeup feeling rejuvinatied if anything.

 

[Spitfire]

True, Thanks

 

[propho]

I have been using zma for a while I'm sad when I don't have it.. definately helps me sleep.. but now I also take melatonin before I sleep.. dunno if that works but I take it anyway..

I love my sleep =P and I will do anything to make better use of it..

 

[instant]

I think I can wake up easier feeling better - for that alone it is a great supplement, I don't think it helps out much in the weight room but for aiding sleep and recovery for the price I like it.

 

[MarcusMaximus]

well, it is rather expensive for a mineral supplement. And some companies still insist on putting the word " anabolic " either on the label or in the adverts for it. by their reckoning, a banana would be anabolic and so would kale.
as a mineral supplement, i'd rate it a 3 out of 10. i can get equiv amount of minerals/zinc for about 1/3 or 1/4 of the price.

 

[ah1]

ZMA is a supplement containing zinc monomethionine aspartate, magnesium asparate and vitamin B-6 in precise ratios and is produced by a company called SNAC System. They own the trademark - ZMA???. They license and sell this material to many supplement companies that are then allowed to market the product using the ZMA name. If you feel like you should try ZMA make sure it is the real stuff by SNAC Systems and not a knockoff. Only the ZMA made by SNAC Systems has the formulation used in the research literature. It's not that expensive and could be worth the cost of admission. Remember, do not fall for the knockoffs out there. If you want to know if ZMA will work for you, you need to use the real deal. Companies might tell you that theirs is the same as SNAC's, but they're not.

 

[Mudge]

If they are licensing and selling the raws then it should be the same formulation, otherwise someone is not getting what they are paying for.

 

[plouffe]

Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc - 4.99 for like 40-60 servings... That's the way to go.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by ah1
make sure it is the real stuff by SNAC Systems and not a knockoff. Only the ZMA made by SNAC Systems has the formulation used in the research literature. It's not that expensive and could be worth the cost of admission.

If you believe that then you have no idea how the supplement industry works, nor the true prices of raw materials and what it costs to produce a supplements.

Example: Muscle-Tech sells Hyroxycut for $40 a bottle, I can get the exact same formula with the exact same ingrediants made for me (my company), even with my own label for around $6 a bottle.

When you pay $40 a bottle for a fat burner you're paying for the pro bodybuilder sponsors that promote the product, the magazine ads, the salaries of the employees running the company, etc.

 

[nR_Kris]

so ZMA boost ur test's level right?

 

[ah1]

Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio
If you believe that then you have no idea how the supplement industry works, nor the true prices of raw materials and what it costs to produce a supplements.

Example: Muscle-Tech sells Hyroxycut for $40 a bottle, I can get the exact same formula with the exact same ingrediants made for me (my company), even with my own label for around $6 a bottle.

Yes totally agree you do pay more for many brand name supplements due to sponsorship and advertising deals than you need to. The price of generic ingredients is very very low, eg Pakistan, Far East. Many companies will use the cheapest ingredients possible but charge the customer a premium.
The only reason that I said to use SNAC product is that this is the company that patented the ingredients used in the original research. If you think that you are paying for product ???x??? with listed ingredients ???x??? and it doesn???t have the ingredients or purity claimed then what are you paying for?
If you paid for these items separate and mixed them and got the same results and you saved yourself money then no one has sold you short.

Originally posted by nR_Kris
so ZMA boost ur test's level right?

??? In a double-blind, randomized study, researchers at Western Washington University found that male athletes supplemented with ZMA during an 8-week period of intensive training had increased levels of muscle-building hormones and increased leg strength. Men who received three capsules of ZMA per day had increased levels of free testosterone, total testosterone and insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), whereas men receiving placebo had decreased levels of testosterone and IGF-1. Leg strength and functional power were increased in those receiving ZMA and decreased in the group receiving placebo. Blood zinc and magnesium levels were also increased in the supplemented athletes.???
Source: Brilla LR, Conte V, Effects of a Novel Zinc-Magnesium Formulation on Hormones and Strength, Journal of Exercise Physiology, 3:26-36, 2000.

Don't necessarily agree with the above study when real customers use ZMA.

 

[X Ring]

Originally posted by plouffe
Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc - 4.99 for like 40-60 servings... That's the way to go.

It is worth while to go this route or so with a real ZMA? What doesage for the calicum mag, zinc?
Also I have only used ZMass with some decent results considering what it is. Is ZMass worth the money or should I got with another cheaper ZMA? What about cyclo ZMass?
THanks

 

[plouffe]

Originally posted by X Ring
It is worth while to go this route or so with a real ZMA? What doesage for the calicum mag, zinc?
Also I have only used ZMass with some decent results considering what it is. Is ZMass worth the money or should I got with another cheaper ZMA? What about cyclo ZMass?
THanks

Well what I've seen with CMZ supplments is that each pill is 33% of your daily serving. So normally I'd take 5-6 pills each night, then a 1-2 after lifting.

 

[X Ring]

so that doesnt really work out to be cost effecientas opposed to ZMass, so I guess my question is now, Is ZMass worth the extra money as opposed to other ZMAs??
Also how long should you run this for? What kinda of cycling if any is most common among users here?

 

[rrgg]

Zmass is fairly cheap at dpsnutrition.com (when compared to other zma products)

 

[Randy]

You needed one more option - "used it and it produced "some" positive results. I had to say good but in reality it was minor to moderate.

Need to add another one as well...

I just started using ZMA, to soon to determine the results yet.

Or

I've been using ZMA, but with all the other truckloads of pills I take I can't determine if it is doing any good or not?

 

[eskimo515]

so that doesnt really work out to be cost effecientas opposed to ZMass, so I guess my question is now, Is ZMass worth the extra money as opposed to other ZMAs??

I have the same question. Any thoughts would be helpful. Price wise Cyclo Zmass and Zmass PM are similar, but what added benefits do they bring to the table.

The dreams I have on ZMA are ridiculous. It's sometimes almost like an acid trip.

 

[rrgg]

I think you've been taking the sister product ZMAcid.

 

[eskimo515]

funny

 

[DrChiro]

I actually like GNC's ZMA supplement...it has hops and valarian root added to increase the deep sleep.

It is a great supplement for any lifter to be taking as zinc and magnesium defeciencies are common, especially in lifters and are needed for test production and about 250 other enzymatic reactions in the body....many dealing with protein utilization.

the original clinical studies were done on NFL players and it was found that about 95% of them were low on zinc and magnesium if i remember correctly.

They then supplemented with ZMA and found fairly dramatic increases in strength and a decrease in recovery time.

Take it...it's cheap and important.

IMO you dont need any magical supplemnt either...just zinc and magnesium should be effective...but the studies were done with the aspartate form in a certain ratio along with B-6....so if you want to make sure you are getting the right stuff go ahead and buy it together...like i said...GNC's brand is great and cheap. ($16).

 

[thejames]

calcium keeps you from absorbing the zinc and magnesium, so taking it with calcium would be a bad idea.

 

[LAM]

Most people new to supps think that if they take ZMA it will make them have big muscles. This is not what it is intended for. To say it doesn't work is not fair. It does what it was intended to do, which is aid in Zinc supplementation (heavy lifting depletes it) and aid deep sleep to aid better growth. You might not see results, but you will get them over a period of time. IMO, it is a supp worth taking.

exactly...

IMO long time athletes have more positive results with a lot of supplements as they are more in tune with their bodies and can actually tell if this or that supplement has a positive effect...

 

[wkirby]

This may seem silly, but since it elevated Testosterone levels, how do you guys think this will relate to hair loss?

Thanks,
Will

 

[LAM]

having elevated test levels has no direct effect on 5AR and DHT...

 

[Dephyr]

For the men use 3 capsules (for women take 2) all once at the same time before bed? Is that true? I've read about ZMA without direction in the link. I'm pretty new and thinking to buy one.

Dephyr

 

[Pirate!]

But, who wants to go to bed on an empty stomach? I could sure use the help sleeping, but don't want to wake up hungry in the middle of the night.

 

[Deadly13]

What does it have in it? Is it a pro hormone or any type of hormone? How does it effect the body most important cause I would not want to take it too long and lower my test....

 

[rrgg]

Hmmm... I don't think you really have to have an empty stomach. Just don't drink milk before you go to bed (or something with calcium or some other mineral that will offset the Z/M/A) Just a guess.

 

[LAM]

Hmmm... I don't think you really have to have an empty stomach. Just don't drink milk before you go to bed (or something with calcium or some other mineral that will offset the Z/M/A) Just a guess.

calcium and zinc compete for absorption. that is why you should take ZMA on an empty stomach then follow it up with a meal/shake 30 minutes later..