10 myths about school shootings

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March 2002 --
Harvard Study links rates of gun ownership with young deaths
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/064/science/Study_links_rates_of_gun_owne rship_with_young_deathsP.shtml
Children are much more likely to be murdered, commit suicide or die accidentally because of guns in states and regions with higher levels of household firearm ownership, according to a new study by Harvard researchers.
The study, published in The Journal of Trauma, is significant because it shows that the mere presence of firearms leads to more violent death among children aged 5 to 14, said Dr. Matthew Miller, the lead author.
''When most people buy a gun, they do so with the presumption that guns make them safer,'' Miller said in an interview. ''Our results suggest strongly that this presumption is not warranted and that the children that parents seek to protect with guns are instead being killed by guns.''
While other studies have shown links between teenage suicide and guns, this is the first national study to examine the connection between firearm ownership and violent death among younger children, said Miller, associate director of Harvard's Injury Control Research Center.
The study looked at data from all 50 states from 1988 to 1997. In that period, 6,817 children between 5 and 14 years old died from firearms: 3,447 from homicides, 1,782 from accidental shootings, and 1,588 from suicide.
The study showed that the five states with the highest gun ownership levels had many more firearm-related deaths among children than the five states with the lowest levels of gun ownership.
The two groups of states had almost the same number of children, but in the high gun-ownership states there were 253 accidental firearm deaths compared to just 15 in the low gun-ownership states.
There were 153 firearm suicides in the high gun-ownership states compared to 22 in the low-ownership states and there were 298 firearm murders in the high gun-ownership states compared to 86 in the low-ownership states.
Meanwhile, the rates of nonfirearm-related suicides and murders in the two groups of states were much closer, leading Miller to conclude the increase in deaths was attributable to the higher number of firearm-related deaths.
''The large difference in gun-related deaths compared with the low level of difference in non-firearm deaths allows us to say that guns are playing some role,'' Miller said. The difference remains even when the data is controlled for poverty, education and urbanization, the study found.
The five states with the highest rates of gun ownership are Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and West Virginia. The five with the lowest are Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware.
This story ran on page C3 of the Boston Globe on 3/5/2002.

 

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[ALBOB]

March 2002 --
Harvard Study links rates of gun ownership with young deaths
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/064/science/Study_links_rates_of_gun_owne rship_with_young_deathsP.shtml
Children are much more likely to be murdered, commit suicide or die accidentally because of guns in states and regions with higher levels of household firearm ownership, according to a new study by Harvard researchers.
The study, published in The Journal of Trauma, is significant because it shows that the mere presence of firearms leads to more violent death among children aged 5 to 14, said Dr. Matthew Miller, the lead author.
''When most people buy a gun, they do so with the presumption that guns make them safer,'' Miller said in an interview. ''Our results suggest strongly that this presumption is not warranted and that the children that parents seek to protect with guns are instead being killed by guns.''
While other studies have shown links between teenage suicide and guns, this is the first national study to examine the connection between firearm ownership and violent death among younger children, said Miller, associate director of Harvard's Injury Control Research Center.
The study looked at data from all 50 states from 1988 to 1997. In that period, 6,817 children between 5 and 14 years old died from firearms: 3,447 from homicides, 1,782 from accidental shootings, and 1,588 from suicide.
The study showed that the five states with the highest gun ownership levels had many more firearm-related deaths among children than the five states with the lowest levels of gun ownership.
The two groups of states had almost the same number of children, but in the high gun-ownership states there were 253 accidental firearm deaths compared to just 15 in the low gun-ownership states.
There were 153 firearm suicides in the high gun-ownership states compared to 22 in the low-ownership states and there were 298 firearm murders in the high gun-ownership states compared to 86 in the low-ownership states.
Meanwhile, the rates of nonfirearm-related suicides and murders in the two groups of states were much closer, leading Miller to conclude the increase in deaths was attributable to the higher number of firearm-related deaths.
''The large difference in gun-related deaths compared with the low level of difference in non-firearm deaths allows us to say that guns are playing some role,'' Miller said. The difference remains even when the data is controlled for poverty, education and urbanization, the study found.
The five states with the highest rates of gun ownership are Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and West Virginia. The five with the lowest are Hawaii, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware.
This story ran on page C3 of the Boston Globe on 3/5/2002.

The problem with that study is that it only shows what TOOL was used by the kids. Sure, if a gun is available, that's what will be used. But if all they have to kill each other or themselves are hammers, that's what they'll use.

 

[Will Brink]

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Myth No. 1. "He didn't fit the profile."

40 reasons to ban guns.....

1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun
control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the
lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics
showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into
effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates,
which have been declining since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting
spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a
lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot
with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking
gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -
give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete
Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about
guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.


11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil
engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer
programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which
was created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using
federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing
trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of
the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain
rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,"
and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states
respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of
the people to keep and bear arms" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban
and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to
that Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the
army has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military
weapons'', but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles'', because
they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting,
government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is
responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's,
anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations,
variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no
fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling
guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch"
campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them
properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical
adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun
is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at
women are "preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers
but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun
shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority
of the population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a
"weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which
most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned
because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use
of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and
typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of
the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the
Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap
lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a
representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is
entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger
capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone
and therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns
because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over handguns that
private citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self- protection because the
police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the
police are not responsible for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police
chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with
cops, need a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of
people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential
promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to
buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for
defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their
duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc., says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong
hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands

 

[Will Brink]

I don't trust anyone with a gun, I wouldn't trust you.

Ah, so when you call 911, make sure to tell the police to leave their guns at the station. I don't trust anyone who ignores data, history, and common sense to formulate their position on guns.

 

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Ah, so when you call 911, make sure to tell the police to leave their guns at the station. I don't trust anyone who ignores data, history, and common sense to formulate their position on guns.

Whoever mentioned banning guns from the police?

That would be stupid.

 

[KelJu]

Ah, so when you call 911, make sure to tell the police to leave their guns at the station. I don't trust anyone who ignores data, history, and common sense to formulate their position on guns.

Hi Will. Meet Mino. Mino likes to goof around, and is stealthy with subtle humor. You kind of have to know some of us to catch some of these things.

 

[Will Brink]

Hi Will. Meet Mino. Mino likes to goof around, and is stealthy with subtle humor. You kind of have to know some of us to catch some of these things.

Noted, thanx.

 

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By the way, how do the English accomplish this?

 

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My main problem is that it's harder for me or most law abiding citizens to get a license than it is for a 15 year old to buy one.

If you only knew how many mutts have guns in this city.....it's scary.

 

[Double D]

Oh ya lets ban guns so the fuckin goverment can take something else away from us. Give me a break, stop the nonsense. I have a gun and if someone is to break into my house they will eat a bullet for sure. I see nothing wrong with that, its called protecting your family. If the guy whos breaking in has a tire Iron and I got the kitchen knife I dont think its to fair, especially if he catches me off guard (Sleeping). Understand this: its a violent world, deal with it because its not going to change. What would happen is they would ban guns and the thugs on the street would still have their ways of getting them and the police wouldnt have shit, oh yeah that sure makes sense!

 

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My main problem is that it's harder for me or most law abiding citizens to get a license than it is for a 15 year old to buy one.

Why? Because they want to know what sex you are?