Alec Baldwin Message For His Daughter

[Little Wing]

my guess is that the mom spoils this kid rotten to gain her alliance in being a shit to the dad. he says in the phone call it's been done before. bassinger is a cunt, if he had done it before it would have been in the press then. my guess is he's a normal parent that's taking an abnormal amount of eating his ex wife's shit pie and is really frustrated that his daughter is being abusive to him as well. respect is a two way street n Ireland hasn't earned any respect in a long while i wager.

 

[MCx2]

my guess is that the mom spoils this kid rotten to gain her alliance in being a shit to the dad. he says in the phone call it's been done before. bassinger is a cunt, if he had done it before it would have been in the press then. my guess is he's a normal parent that's taking an abnormal amount of eating his ex wife's shit pie and is really frustrated that his daughter is being abusive to him as well. respect is a two way street n Ireland hasn't earned any respect in a long while i wager.

Damn skippy!!

 

[BoneCrusher]

Child abusing?

He's beat her before?

The words he used and the way he used those words is emotional abuse. Done just one time ... ONE TIME ... is one time too many. On a 12 year old kid?!?!?! Puhlease!

 

[MCx2]

The words he used and the way he used those words is emotional abuse. Done just one time ... ONE TIME ... is one time too many. On a 12 year old kid?!?!?! Puhlease!

Hate to do it but you're getting one of these:

I was so wicked when I was a child, I brought a few of my teachers to tears by the time I was 7. I only wish that my parents had done me the service of talking to me like an adult, and putting me where I needed to be put. Instead, my parents did the "right thing" by not "emotionally abusing" me and I was a terror right up until the day they both died.

You obviously don't have much experience with problem children. On the show Super Nanny all that lovey dovey bullshit might appear to work all the time, but IMO child psychiatrists don't give kids enough credit. They know what's going on, and they know exactly what they need to do to manipulate their parents in order to get what they want (I sure did). That has obviously been going on in this situation, not to mention like LittleWing said, I'm sure Kim isn't doing anything to help the situation, and Alec felt it was time she got a dose of reality.

 

[Little Wing]

The words he used and the way he used those words is emotional abuse. Done just one time ... ONE TIME ... is one time too many. On a 12 year old kid?!?!?! Puhlease!

have you ever been on the receiving end of a 12 year old child's tirade when they are angry? they aren't poor little babies they are moving toward being young adults that in 6 years will need to know how to live in this world without you there to pat them on the head when they misbehave. 12 years old is damn well old enough for a person being an asshole to be told they are being one. i think he was harsh but i think Ireland needs some tough love or she's going to be as big a cunt as her mother is. the cruel thing would be to let this go unchecked and let the child grow up to be a person despised for her personality and behavior.

 

[Brachiisaurus]

Ok, first off we don't know the whole story. Second off, they make 12 year old girls a hell of a lot smarter and a lot bitchier that they made em 20 years ago. I'm willing to bet this little girl is the Devil in pigtails and Alec was pushed over the edge. I think it's absolutely outrageous that people have a problem with the way he's talking to his own daughter. Sure it's a little harsh, but boo fucking hoo. First you can't spank them, and now you can't reprimand them!?!?! Releasing this message to the media is obviously a Kim Basinger ploy to make Alec look bad right before their CUSTODY HEARING on June 5th. Talk about knee jerk reactions.

Agreed.

Haven't any of you seen some of these shows on t.v.? Like those nanny shows and what not? Where the kids are screaming bloody murder and throwing and break shit left and right?

I would react the same way.

Its funny how everyone criticizes him without knowing the details. I have met little satanic children...and they deserve anything coming to them.

 

[MCx2]

I have met little satanic children...and they deserve anything coming to them.

I would know, I was one of them.

And it took me years to get over that fact. In fact, I still deal with the issue today. I can't believe how horrible I was as a child, to my friends, and especially my parents. Only thing is I never got to share any time with my parents as a responsible, loving, caring adult. The last thing my mother got to see on this earth was me acting a complete fucking fool. I still feel ashamed to this day that I never got to actually "know" my parents because I was too busy acting out, being a little devil. If I have one regret in this world, it's that.

 

[Witmaster]

I think the fact that she (and most likely her mother) publicized his voice mail speaks volumes about how disjointed and vindictive that whole family is.

Baldwin should have known better but he (obviously) lost his cool. Odds are the daughter shared the voicemail with mommy who saw an opportunity to deface ex-hubby in public and get his child custody rights suspended.

This really isn't about an abusive father. It's about a failed marriage and the vindictive actions of people who now loath each other.

 

[largepkg]

have you ever been on the receiving end of a 12 year old child's tirade when they are angry? they aren't poor little babies they are moving toward being young adults that in 6 years will need to know how to live in this world without you there to pat them on the head when they misbehave. 12 years old is damn well old enough for a person being an asshole to be told they are being one. i think he was harsh but i think Ireland needs some tough love or she's going to be as big a cunt as her mother is. the cruel thing would be to let this go unchecked and let the child grow up to be a person despised for her personality and behavior.

You are so dead on with everything you've said in this thread!

America has become such a pussified nation. First you can't spank your child and now you can't talk down to your child either? Just remember one thing hear people, CONTEXT!

 

[Little Wing]

the only danger i see in Ireland's life is that she is living with a woman that is teaching her to snub her nose at other people, including her own father, and at the law. what kind of person do you think a pampered brat allowed to treat other people like shit is going to be? i say she has better chances with her father because at least he expects decency of her. her mother obviously has set no standards for this child at all.

 

[Brachiisaurus]

the only danger i see in Ireland's life is that she is living with a woman that is teaching her to snub her nose at other people, including her own father, and at the law. what kind of person do you think a pampered brat allowed to treat other people like shit is going to be? i say she has better chances with her father because at least he expects decency of her. her mother obviously has set no standards for this child at all.

She's the next PARIS HILTON!

 

[Little Wing]

Accuses Kim Basinger is tempting their daughter away from her father by plying the youngster with chocolate. (December 13, 2005)

hmm, she's willing to be ignorant to her dad for chocolate? not that it's ok but maybe that explains the pig comment. "never mind daddy honey, let's go shopping at godiva." at 6 a child is smart enough to see through that and know that's not acceptable.

 

[MCx2]

This really isn't about an abusive father. It's about a failed marriage and the vindictive actions of people who now loath each other.

Bingo bango.

 

[AKIRA]

Ok, first off we don't know the whole story. Second off, they make 12 year old girls a hell of a lot smarter and a lot bitchier that they made em 20 years ago. I'm willing to bet this little girl is the Devil in pigtails and Alec was pushed over the edge. I think it's absolutely outrageous that people have a problem with the way he's talking to his own daughter. Sure it's a little harsh, but boo fucking hoo. First you can't spank them, and now you can't reprimand them!?!?! Releasing this message to the media is obviously a Kim Basinger ploy to make Alec look bad right before their CUSTODY HEARING on June 5th. Talk about knee jerk reactions.

Yeah no shit.

Whats funny is that these people saying "how harsh" are the same assholes that say "you dont know me." If I cant insult people I dont know, then no one can make a judgement call on anyone.

Besides, this call is not harsh to me at all.

 

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[KelJu]

Yes, those people are called pussies.

Yeah, you're right. Lets just be complete douche nozzles to our kids. It will toughen them right up. We can't have pussies running around now can we?

 

[BoneCrusher]

Hate to do it but you're getting one of these:

I was so wicked when I was a child, I brought a few of my teachers to tears by the time I was 7. I only wish that my parents had done me the service of talking to me like an adult, and putting me where I needed to be put. Instead, my parents did the "right thing" by not "emotionally abusing" me and I was a terror right up until the day they both died.

You obviously don't have much experience with problem children. On the show Super Nanny all that lovey dovey bullshit might appear to work all the time, but IMO child psychiatrists don't give kids enough credit. They know what's going on, and they know exactly what they need to do to manipulate their parents in order to get what they want (I sure did). That has obviously been going on in this situation, not to mention like LittleWing said, I'm sure Kim isn't doing anything to help the situation, and Alec felt it was time she got a dose of reality.

Sorry ReproBro but you confuse discipline with abuse. You do not need to demean a child to apply strong discipline. I demanded respect from every kid that that I've ever had the blessing to have in my life. Then I did my best to earn it.

Your obvious part missed the mark. Big time. I gots mooocho experience wiff problem utes.

-----> Ran group homes and half way houses for problem utes.

"No Billy you don't hit people with a stick. That is soooo wrong. You know this. Billy we've talked about this before and I've told you ... use a bat it does more damage. Here use mine .... yeah that's it. Hit her again and listen ... hear that femur break?" See you gotta train these little utes properly if they're gonna grow up to be healthy in their heads. It's all about technique really ...

On the serious side it is not under any circumstances ever going to benefit the kid's adult perspectives to talk to the kid "like an adult" if by that you mean like DOMS does.

 

[KelJu]

Sorry ReproBro but you confuse discipline with abuse. You do not need to demean a child to apply strong discipline. I demanded respect from every kid that that I've ever had the blessing to have in my life. Then I did my best to earn it.

Your obvious part missed the mark. Big time. I gots mooocho experience wiff problem utes.

-----> Ran group homes and half way houses for problem utes.

"No Billy you don't hit people with a stick. That is soooo wrong. You know this. Billy we've talked about this before and I've told you ... use a bat it does more damage. Here use mine .... yeah that's it. Hit her again and listen ... hear that femur break?" See you gotta train these little utes properly if they're gonna grow up to be healthy in their heads. It's all about technique really ...

On the serious side it is not under any circumstances ever going to benefit the kid's adult perspectives to talk to the kid "like an adult" if by that you mean like DOMS does.

Exactly! Discipline with compassion. I remember getting my ass torn up for doing stupid shit like playing with gasoline in my sand pile when I was about 6 or 7. Now I think back on that ass whoop'en and laugh. I also appreciate the memory, because I never played with gasoline again. There is nothing wrong with that and there are too many kids that need ass whoop'ens and don't get them.


Now lets look at the other side where so many of you think there is nothing wrong with what Alan said. What if my father had called me a stupid fucking little shit for playing with gasoline and went on and on for 10 minutes about how worthless and dumb I was or some stupid shit like that. That kind of thing fucks a kid up, and fuck every one of you guys playing the tough guy that shit wouldn't have bothered me as a kid routine.

 

[MCx2]

Sorry ReproBro but you confuse discipline with abuse. You do not need to demean a child to apply strong discipline. I demanded respect from every kid that that I've ever had the blessing to have in my life. Then I did my best to earn it.

Your obvious part missed the mark. Big time. I gots mooocho experience wiff problem utes.

-----> Ran group homes and half way houses for problem utes.

"No Billy you don't hit people with a stick. That is soooo wrong. You know this. Billy we've talked about this before and I've told you ... use a bat it does more damage. Here use mine .... yeah that's it. Hit her again and listen ... hear that femur break?" See you gotta train these little utes properly if they're gonna grow up to be healthy in their heads. It's all about technique really ...

On the serious side it is not under any circumstances ever going to benefit the kid's adult perspectives to talk to the kid "like an adult" if by that you mean like DOMS does.

I disagree 100%.

The problem kids that end up in halfway homes are not born with a silver spoon in their mouthes. Completely different. This girl has obviously been handed everything she's ever wanted and more, and they have created a monster out of her. Chances are the kids you dealt with were from broken homes, no money, no opportunity, basically nothing. The problem children I refer to are selfish most of the time rich, and too smart for their own good. They have EVERYTHING and always want more. Kids that end up in halfway houses are 9 times out of ten PHYSICALLY abused, or abandoned. These kids have already seen more than a child should ever see in regards to hardship and yes I agree, these kids should not be treated like adults, because they have basically missed out on their childhoods as it is.

You will get absolutely nowhere with a smart ass little spoiled rich kid by sugar coating things. She needed to hear what he had to say, and I completely understand where he was coming from. She's lucky to have a father that cares enough to get that upset.

 

[MCx2]

Exactly! Discipline with compassion. I remember getting my ass torn up for doing stupid shit like playing with gasoline in my sand pile when I was about 6 or 7. Now I think back on that ass whoop'en and laugh. I also appreciate the memory, because I never played with gasoline again. There is nothing wrong with that and there are too many kids that need ass whoop'ens and don't get them.


Now lets look at the other side where so many of you think there is nothing wrong with what Alan said. What if my father had called me a stupid fucking little shit for playing with gasoline and went on and on for 10 minutes about how worthless and dumb I was or some stupid shit like that. That kind of thing fucks a kid up, and fuck every one of you guys playing the tough guy that shit wouldn't have bothered me as a kid routine.

Dude, you're not normal. You are all fucked up in the head, and you say it all the time. Obviously something went wrong in your development, so why don't you stick to things you know more about like growing beards....

 

[Little Wing]

i don't think anyone said nothing is wrong with what he said. but there is a bigger picture than a parent that lost his cool after his kid frustrated him beyond reason and that is that the kid is behaving like an asshole and she needs to be called on it or someone down the line is going to knock her teeth down her throat. if a kid pushes and pushes they need a parent with balls enough to push back. he did it the wrong way but he was not wrong to be pissed and expect more from his child. a kid without boundaries is a kid treading water because their parent is too stupid to put something solid beneath them.

 

[KelJu]

Dude, you're not normal. You are all fucked up in the head, and you say it all the time. Obviously something went wrong in your development, so why don't you stick to things you know more about like growing beards....

I understand the things that made me fucked up, and I can see it happening to other people as it happens. I know more then you think. There are ways to deal with children, and verbally attacking them isn't one of them. There are 100s of ways to deal with that situation, and just shy of beating the shit out of the girl with a bat, Alan couldn't have handled the situation any worse.

 

[Little Wing]

I understand the things that made me fucked up, and I can see it happening to other people as it happens. I know more then you think. There are ways to deal with children, and verbally attacking them isn't one of them. There are 100s of ways to deal with that situation, and just shy of beating the shit out of the girl with a bat, Alan couldn't have handled the situation any worse.

yes he could. he could ignore her like she does him. she saw him act like a jerk on the phone. she's also seen years of him fighting to be in her life in a meaningful way when other men would have stayed away because it was easier. i think no parent is perfect and if this was his typical behavior it would have been publicized long ago.

 

[MCx2]

I understand the things that made me fucked up, and I can see it happening to other people as it happens. I know more then you think. There are ways to deal with children, and verbally attacking them isn't one of them. There are 100s of ways to deal with that situation, and just shy of beating the shit out of the girl with a bat, Alan couldn't have handled the situation any worse.

Yet you think an ass whooping is good according to your last post. So which is it?

Telling that girl that she's punished and she needs to go to her room to think about it is probably a better option. She'll be miserable. She'll lie on her $2000 dollar bed, watching her 52" plasma TV while chatting with her friends on her Blackberry. Oh the misery.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Yeah, you're right. Lets just be complete douche nozzles to our kids. It will toughen them right up. We can't have pussies running around now can we?

Concur.

 

[BoneCrusher]

have you ever been on the receiving end of a 12 year old child's tirade when they are angry?

Hell yes. I've got a 19 year old son of my own. You think I have no experience in dealing with the selfish insanity that a teenage male brings into the home? Puhlease!!!!

they aren't poor little babies they are moving toward being young adults that in 6 years will need to know how to live in this world without you there to pat them on the head when they misbehave. 12 years old is damn well old enough for a person being an asshole to be told they are being one.

Talking tough to a kid doesn't require that you call them names, insult them, or treat the kid like shit. Period. Anyone who is a parent and makes excuses for that kind of shit is just excusing their own weaknesses and personal lapses. You can seriously fuck a kid's head up with insulting demeaning assaults like his. It NEVER fixes any of the underlying issues and ALWAYS makes things worse. You don't earn a kid's respect by calling her a pig, and you open the door for return fire. Kids are all about seeking their own identity at that age AND require equality of perspective. They need to be comfortable being seen by themselves the way you as their parent see them. Fuck that up you wind up with a kid dealing with serious image issues running all over the place "searching" for their identity instead of being comfortable in their own skin.

i think he was harsh but i think Ireland needs some tough love or she's going to be as big a cunt as her mother is. the cruel thing would be to let this go unchecked and let the child grow up to be a person despised for her personality and behavior.

Basinger is a "cunt" ... ??? I'm not privy to the real side of either story, and really could care less. How he deals with his 12 year old is not really important to me. This kid will grow up wealthy and spoiled living a life most people dream of. Her issues because daddy treated her poorly in his lower moments? As long as it doesn't continue or get worse ... who cares? Maybe she'll make the next gen of Paris Hilton porn for us all to d/l.

 

[KelJu]

Yet you think an ass whooping is good according to your last post. So which is it?

Telling that girl that she's punished and she needs to go to her room to think about it is probably a better option. She'll be miserable. She'll lie on her $2000 dollar bed, watching her 52" plasma TV while chatting with her friends on her Blackberry. Oh the misery.

An ass whoop'en will straighten a kid out pretty fast. Especially when it isn't done out of love. Then afterwards explain what the child done wrong and stress the point that the parents loves the child and gave the discipline to help the child grow as a person. Children aren't too dumb to understand they fucked up and suffered consequences from it.

Now the girl is 11 maybe 12, Alan doesn't know. The girl is about to face the most dangerous years of her life as a teenage girl. If the girl doesn't have strong family ties, who knows what the fuck she does to herself. Also, by that time she will know that her parents don't care and use her as a tool to get back at each other. She probably won't respect either of them for it, and will push them out of her life.

When you are a teenager, I think you should both love and fear your parents. It might be the only thing that helps you make good decisions. Otherwise she might be out fucking every guy she can looking for a love a she will never find. She might develop a drug problem. Who knows. She might turn out completely normal despite the fucked up home life, but she would be better off with her parents in her life. But if I were in her situation, I wouldn't won't that fucker back in my life for a while after what he said. Everyone says she is a spoiled brat, so she as the power to keep him out of her life.


And reproman, your a hypocrite. You went off of the rant about people making assumptions about you then you do it to other people. I have dedicated my life to understanding how the mind works. I took as many psychology electives as I could. I have read as many books as I could get my hands on about how the brain develops and how the mind works. I have been educating myself for the last 7 or more years in my mission to become a well rounded whole person. I stumble and fall sometimes but I pick myself up and carry on.

 

[Little Wing]

Baldwin even claims that Basinger had manufactured a chocolate-bar
for Ireland, its wrapper allegedly besmirching his name and detailing
his relations with other women, an example of which he sent to the
court judge. He also claims that his ex-wife has a "pathological need"
to turn his daughter against him, saying she "has so contaminated this
child that she doesn???t even want to be with her father".

is no one concerned that this kid is being raised by a psychopath? a woman that talked openly about fantasizing killing her child's father?

 

[Little Wing]

basinger has 12 charges of contempt of court for ignoring custody agreements. she's an agoraphobic that is confused about who is supposed to provide support; her for her child or her child for her.

 

[KelJu]

Baldwin even claims that Basinger had manufactured a chocolate-bar
for Ireland, its wrapper allegedly besmirching his name and detailing
his relations with other women, an example of which he sent to the
court judge. He also claims that his ex-wife has a "pathological need"
to turn his daughter against him, saying she "has so contaminated this
child that she doesn???t even want to be with her father".

is no one concerned that this kid is being raised by a psychopath? a woman that talked openly about fantasizing killing her child's father?

I haven't defended her once. She is probably psychopathic bitch. She probably has turned the girl against him. But none of that warrents what he said to his daughter. Now people can say this and that about who they want, but the only facts I have are a tape of Alan being a complete asshole to his kid. Maybe somebody can find something of Kim being a bitch to Alan and turning her kid against him, and we could start a whole different thread about that. It seems everyone here is jumping to defend his remarks.


You know... I don't don't give a shit anymore. I'm tired of trying to make the point that nobody is going to get.