My log of 'RESULTS' from At Large Nutrition

[chris mason]

Day 9
5/8/08
Neutral Grip Chins:
BW x 8, 8, 6
Rack Pulls:
245 x 5
275 x 5
315 x 5
325 x 4 PR
Bent Over Rows:
155 10
165 x 10, 10 PR
Dumbell Rows:
70's x 8, 8, 8
Standing Barbell Curls:
95 x 6
100 x 5, 4
(dropped down to 45 lbs for a set of 21's)
Hammer curls:
40's x 7, 7, 7
drop set:
30's x 4,
25's x 4,
20's x 4,
15's x 4
Session went very well again.
I dunno if it's the dextrose or what, but I've started breaking out with acne like I was a sophmore in highschool. Very irritating.




Seriously?
That's it?
Nothing else sneaking around in this stuff?
I gotta be honest with ya Chris, if I wasn't the one actually experiencing this, I doubt I'd believe a word of it.
Admittedly I've never used HMB before, but I find it tough to attribute these results (pun not intended) to just that along with sugar, creatine, and b-ala....
I'm not complaining or anything, just curious.

Lol, yep. I have always made it a point to make our products as transparent as possible. Most of the other products you see come up with gimmicky names for a bunch of low dosed ingredients thrown together. Each of those ingredient has been proven in the lab to increase lean muscle and strength. When combined, they work synergistically.

 

[lucifuge]

Day 10
5/9/08
Off Day

Day 11
5/10/08
Shoulders:
Standing Military Press:
105 x 8
145 x 6
165 x 6
175 x 5, 4 PR on reps
Seated Dumbell Press:
70's x 10, 9, 7
Rear Laterals:
30's x 10, 10, 10
Side Laterals:
30's x 10, 10, 10
Barbell Shrugs:
235 x 10, 10, 10

 

[chris mason]

Good job on the military press!

 

[lucifuge]

Good job on the military press!

Thanks!
I hope to be able to put up 200 lbs by the end of the year.... don't really know if it's possible, but that's the plan.



Day 11
off day

Day 12
5/12/08

Not alot of time tonight, so I just stuck with the big three.

Deads:
225 x 8
295 x 8
345 x 3 PR

Squats:
275 x 3, 3, 3

SLDL:
225 x 5
235 x 5
245 x 5 PR one of the most intimidating lifts I've ever done

All in all, a good time.
I was really tempted to try for some singles on deads, but decided against it.

 

[katt]

Wow... after looking at all your PR's, I'm seriously going to have to try this.!

 

[chris mason]

As we say, give it 10 days and PR city!

 

[lucifuge]

Wow... after looking at all your PR's, I'm seriously going to have to try this.!

As we say, give it 10 days and PR city!

I gotta admit, I'm impressed as hell with this stuff.
I went into this expecting it to essentially be 'cell-tech', or something like that, but this stuff's great.
I think it's safe to say you've got yourself a convert Chris.

 

[lucifuge]

My only 'complaint' is the acne it seems to be causing.

That's just my neck... it's on my chest, shoulder's, and head as well.
I'm 34, and I've never broken out like this, not even from pro-hormone/AAS use.
I figure it's gotta be the sugar ...

 

[ZECH]

The ingredients and their dosing. None of the products you mentioned contain creatine, beta alanine, and HMB. RESULTS does, plus dextrose to drive the creatine delivery. Each of the ingredients in RESULTS is included at lab proven levels which is another big difference between it and many other products. We also don't confuse the label, you can cleary see exactly what is in our product and at what dose.

Chris

Chris, when you mention lab proven levels, do you have info that you could share on that? I would be interested in seeing that.

 

[chris mason]

Chris, when you mention lab proven levels, do you have info that you could share on that? I would be interested in seeing that.

Well, yes and no. I have a few studies which we paid for that I cannot publish. I can give you a link to a free abstract:

Creatine and beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB...[Nutrition. 2001 Jul-Aug] - PubMed Result

 

[chris mason]

My only 'complaint' is the acne it seems to be causing.

That's just my neck... it's on my chest, shoulder's, and head as well.
I'm 34, and I've never broken out like this, not even from pro-hormone/AAS use.
I figure it's gotta be the sugar ...

Yep, that is the only thing I can think of.

Ahhh well, a small price to pay for PRs baby!

Oh, and just an FYI for anyone reading this, the vast majority of its users will not get a breakout from said use.

 

[nni]

Well, yes and no. I have a few studies which we paid for that I cannot publish. I can give you a link to a free abstract:

Creatine and beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB...[Nutrition. 2001 Jul-Aug] - PubMed Result

if you paid for a study why wouldnt it be published? also why use hmb instead of leucine?

 

[the other half]

numbers keep going up, that awesome.

i take tribulus and dhea, and i break out alot like that. but like chris said, its a small price to pay for added strenght and size.

 

[Arnold]

also why use hmb instead of leucine?

how would that be the same?

 

[nni]

how would that be the same?

hmb is a metabolite of leucine, but history of hmb usage has been sketchy and cost prohibitive. most of the positive benefits can be gained with leucine at a much lower price and a more reasonable dose.

 

[chris mason]

if you paid for a study why wouldnt it be published? also why use hmb instead of leucine?

No, you misunderstand, I paid for the study therefore I cannot provide a free link to it. In order to read the study I had to pay for it.

HMB is a leucine metabolite. A metabolite and that from which is it derived do not necessarily produce the same effects. In addition, there is the issue of quantity.

 

[nni]

No, you misunderstand, I paid for the study therefore I cannot provide a free link to it. In order to read the study I had to pay for it.

HMB is a leucine metabolite. A metabolite and that from which is it derived do not necessarily produce the same effects. In addition, there is the issue of quantity.

oh, sorry, was confused about the study part.

 

[chris mason]

One other point, what makes RESULTS so effective is the viable dosing of Creapure(TM) creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, and HMB along with the dextrose to drive the creatine. The big 3 ingredients work together to produce ADDITIVE effects. This combination makes for a VERY effective supplement in terms of improving one's size and strength. Try it for yourself, you will be GLAD you did.

 

[chris mason]

oh, sorry, was confused about the study part.

No worries.

Chris

 

[lucifuge]

Yep, that is the only thing I can think of.

Ahhh well, a small price to pay for PRs baby!

Oh, and just an FYI for anyone reading this, the vast majority of its users will not get a breakout from said use.

numbers keep going up, that awesome.

i take tribulus and dhea, and i break out alot like that. but like chris said, its a small price to pay for added strenght and size.

Yeah, that's been my opinion as well. It feels pretty awesome to be putting up numbers like these. The acne is little more than an inconvenience... even though a guy I work with asked if I was juicing again, lol.

 

[ZECH]

No, you misunderstand, I paid for the study therefore I cannot provide a free link to it. In order to read the study I had to pay for it.

Trying to understand............you paid to have access to a study done by someone else??

 

[nni]

Trying to understand............you paid to have access to a study done by someone else??

some studies have to be bought to read.

 

[chris mason]

Trying to understand............you paid to have access to a study done by someone else??

Right. There was a study done on some of the ingredients I was considering for the product and it was not available online for free. I had to purchase it.

 

[lucifuge]

Day 13
5/13/08
unfortunately, no time for training today


Day 14
5/14/08

Low Incline Bench:
135 x 8
225 x 8
245 x 8
265 x 6, 3 rep increase

Low Incline Dumbell Bench:
70's x 9, 8, 8

Skull Crushers:
95 x 8
100 x 8, 7 PR

Rope Pressdowns:
100 x 3 technically another PR, but a bit ambitious. I barely got the 3 reps
85 x 8, 8

Crunches:
20, 15, 14

Progress across the board tonight.
S.D.M.F.

 

[ZECH]

Right. There was a study done on some of the ingredients I was considering for the product and it was not available online for free. I had to purchase it.

Makes sense. Thanks

 

[Built]

DG, I have a copy of the full study if you'd like to see it.

"Forty healthy male subjects 19 to 23 y old were enrolled into the study. All had been involved in prior exercise but none were highly trained. Potential subjects were excluded from the study if they had evidence or history of any disease, recent joint or bone injury, or obesity. Subjects also were excluded if they had participated in resistance-exercise programs in the previous 6 mo or had consumed HMB or CR in the previous 3 mo before the study"​

HMB appears to work well on untrained/detrained subjects, particularly with the addition of the known ergogens dextrose and creatine.

On well-conditioned athletes, HMB's efficacy has not been established. However, with 80g of dextrose to spike insulin, my feeling is that previous creatine "non-responders" may be finally enjoying the benefits now that sufficient dextrose is driving it in - a clear gain due to this product. Not to mention the addition of over 300 calories.

 

[nni]

DG, I have a copy of the full study if you'd like to see it.

"Forty healthy male subjects 19 to 23 y old were enrolled into the study. All had been involved in prior exercise but none were highly trained. Potential subjects were excluded from the study if they had evidence or history of any disease, recent joint or bone injury, or obesity. Subjects also were excluded if they had participated in resistance-exercise programs in the previous 6 mo or had consumed HMB or CR in the previous 3 mo before the study"​

HMB appears to work well on untrained/detrained subjects, particularly with the addition of the known ergogens dextrose and creatine.

On well-conditioned athletes, HMB's efficacy has not been established. However, with 80g of dextrose to spike insulin, my feeling is that previous creatine "non-responders" may be finally enjoying the benefits now that sufficient dextrose is driving it in - a clear gain due to this product. Not to mention the addition of over 300 calories.

there is actually a study with well trained athletes, so the effects have been established. not so good

 

[Built]

Truly, the nature of scientific research is to assume the null, then look for ways to reject it.

In the case of HMB supplementation in trained athletes, so far no study has been able to produce a result beyond placebo. Technically, this does not prove it has no effect in these individuals. It just doesn't demonstrate it.

[/geek]

 

[chris mason]

there is actually a study with well trained athletes, so the effects have been established. not so good

There are also several studies (or reviews of studies) showing it to be effective.

Effects of beta-hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate (HMB) ...[Nutr Metab (Lond). 2008] - PubMed Result


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

 

[thewicked]

Yep, that is the only thing I can think of.

Ahhh well, a small price to pay for PRs baby!

Oh, and just an FYI for anyone reading this, the vast majority of its users will not get a breakout from said use.

yeah i was wondering if anyone has ever broken out from creatine use.. .i thought it was a myth to be honest but I guess not. I've never heard or seen something like that in person or other wise!

PANOXYL THAT SHIT! WORKS EVERYTIME FOR ME!