Vpx's New Meltdown...

[garyggiraffe]

Hey thanks alot man. You've been a huge help and I just bought a bottle of VPX Meltdown! I'll definitely post my results in this thread. Keep on being a baller gopro.

 

[gopro]

Hey thanks alot man. You've been a huge help and I just bought a bottle of VPX Meltdown! I'll definitely post my results in this thread. Keep on being a baller gopro.

It's my pleasure to be of help. I hope Meltdown works well for you!

 

[GOtriSports]

Hey gopro! I just finished my first complete bottle of VPX Meltdown and I REALLY lvoed the product. The whole time i was taking it appetite was down energy and mood seemed up everything I was looking for and I went from around 12.6% BF to 10%BF.

My problem now is that I know I have to take breaks from it so I am going to go ahead and go off for about 2 and half weeks since I was on t for around 5.

This is only the second day of being off of it and I a feeling really hungry. Is there another supplement I can take until I can get back on my meltdown? Any advice would be great!

 

[gopro]

Hey gopro! I just finished my first complete bottle of VPX Meltdown and I REALLY lvoed the product. The whole time i was taking it appetite was down energy and mood seemed up everything I was looking for and I went from around 12.6% BF to 10%BF.

My problem now is that I know I have to take breaks from it so I am going to go ahead and go off for about 2 and half weeks since I was on t for around 5.

This is only the second day of being off of it and I a feeling really hungry. Is there another supplement I can take until I can get back on my meltdown? Any advice would be great!

Thanks for the feedback!

You can try a product based on Hoodia extract. That works well for some.

 

[bruce78]

I myself do not post often but always lurk. I first saw this thread 3 months ago and decided to try meltdown. The product I used before (Lipodrene) had ephedra and it made my muscles feel really flat. Meltdown, yams, and really lean meats have knocked 20lbs off weight so far after 2 cycles, and have gone up tremendously in strength. I am NOT paid by VPX and absolutely love this product. Good Bye ephedra for me.

 

[workingatit43]

I myself do not post often but always lurk. I first saw this thread 3 months ago and decided to try meltdown. The product I used before (Lipodrene) had ephedra and it made my muscles feel really flat. Meltdown, yams, and really lean meats have knocked 20lbs off weight so far after 2 cycles, and have gone up tremendously in strength. I am NOT paid by VPX and absolutely love this product. Good Bye ephedra for me.

Great feedback I also loved Meltdown and kissed the ephedra away

 

[gopro]

I myself do not post often but always lurk. I first saw this thread 3 months ago and decided to try meltdown. The product I used before (Lipodrene) had ephedra and it made my muscles feel really flat. Meltdown, yams, and really lean meats have knocked 20lbs off weight so far after 2 cycles, and have gone up tremendously in strength. I am NOT paid by VPX and absolutely love this product. Good Bye ephedra for me.

Thanks for that feedback. I DO have to admit that Meltdown is the first fat burner that has somewhat made me forget about E/C/A stacks...although I still must say the VPX's Clenbutrx is still the strongest fat burner I ever used.

 

[garyggiraffe]

Hey guys, I've only been using Meltdown for 5 days, but I have to say so far I am extremely impressed. Obviously it's too soon to gauge fat loss, but as far as an appetite suppressant, this stuff is crazy. I haven't been a huge eater in the past (maintenance calories prob around 2600), but I've had to FORCE myself to eat while on this stuff b/c I want to eat so little.

Seriously, I am doing a PSMF for the first time, and the program I'm following calls for me to get about 250g of protein per day and about 1200 calories a day total. It has not been difficult at all to restrict myself to 1200. There have been 2 days so far where I've almost ended the day at 750 calories and was not hungry at all, but had to force myself to eat before bed to get to 1000. I really don't think it would be healthy at all, but on this stuff I think I could easily restrict myself to 500 calories a day. It's crazy.

As for energy, obviously when you're eating less than 20g of carbs and only about 1000 calories per day, you're going to get pretty tired. But Meltdown definitely gives me the energy to get through my workouts and make it through the day no problem. If I feel tired, I just pop a Meltdown and I'm good to go for 3-4 hours. I've been taking 2 every morning right when I get up and then sometimes I take another later in the day if I'm feeling extra tired. It works great.

I haven't even weighed in after 5 days, b/c I'd rather just wait the 2 weeks I'm going to be on the diet before checking my loss, so I can't report on weight/fat loss. But with how easy it is to restrict calories, I have no doubt I'll lose at least 5 lbs of fat in the 2 weeks. And it gives you great energy as well. So far, I'm definitely digging the Meltdown!

 

[workingatit43]

Hey guys, I've only been using Meltdown for 5 days, but I have to say so far I am extremely impressed. Obviously it's too soon to gauge fat loss, but as far as an appetite suppressant, this stuff is crazy. I haven't been a huge eater in the past (maintenance calories prob around 2600), but I've had to FORCE myself to eat while on this stuff b/c I want to eat so little.

Seriously, I am doing a PSMF for the first time, and the program I'm following calls for me to get about 250g of protein per day and about 1200 calories a day total. It has not been difficult at all to restrict myself to 1200. There have been 2 days so far where I've almost ended the day at 750 calories and was not hungry at all, but had to force myself to eat before bed to get to 1000. I really don't think it would be healthy at all, but on this stuff I think I could easily restrict myself to 500 calories a day. It's crazy.

As for energy, obviously when you're eating less than 20g of carbs and only about 1000 calories per day, you're going to get pretty tired. But Meltdown definitely gives me the energy to get through my workouts and make it through the day no problem. If I feel tired, I just pop a Meltdown and I'm good to go for 3-4 hours. I've been taking 2 every morning right when I get up and then sometimes I take another later in the day if I'm feeling extra tired. It works great.

I haven't even weighed in after 5 days, b/c I'd rather just wait the 2 weeks I'm going to be on the diet before checking my loss, so I can't report on weight/fat loss. But with how easy it is to restrict calories, I have no doubt I'll lose at least 5 lbs of fat in the 2 weeks. And it gives you great energy as well. So far, I'm definitely digging the Meltdown!

Enjoy the ride bro th feeling of well being from this product is awesome

 

[Lillou]

Did one cycle and the stuff was great body fat definitely down but weight went up. I stacked it with 6-OXO. Sorry for the complete lack of scientific back up but I dropped 2 pant sizes in a little over a month.

My question for Gopro is what is the difference if any between the Meltdown with blue strips (I had this one) on the label as opposed to the Meltdown with red striped label?

 

[gopro]

Did one cycle and the stuff was great body fat definitely down but weight went up. I stacked it with 6-OXO. Sorry for the complete lack of scientific back up but I dropped 2 pant sizes in a little over a month.

My question for Gopro is what is the difference if any between the Meltdown with blue strips (I had this one) on the label as opposed to the Meltdown with red striped label?

Glad to hear you did so well with Meltdown! Thanks for the feedback!

As for the label, as long as it is the NEW MD, then it is the same. They often tweak the labels at VPX. Just look at the ingredient profile and if it matches, it is the same exact product.

 

[musclemilk40]

Definately a good product

vpx, muscltech, eas yeah they are all a bit overhyped, but you have to realize that they do put a lot of money into r&d and if they come out with a new product....it's pretty much gonna have what its says it has on the label, some of these smaller outfits, well, you dont ever know. Meltdown is a solid product no doubt, is it as good as hyperdrive 3.0? I don't know, i only tried a sample pack, but im sure its legit.

 

[GOtriSports]

vpx, muscltech, eas yeah they are all a bit overhyped, but you have to realize that they do put a lot of money into r&d and if they come out with a new product....it's pretty much gonna have what its says it has on the label, some of these smaller outfits, well, you dont ever know. Meltdown is a solid product no doubt, is it as good as hyperdrive 3.0? I don't know, i only tried a sample pack, but im sure its legit.

Interesting you should say this because I did my 4 week cycle on Meltdown and I really did love it. I took 2 weeks off and now I am trying Hyperdrive 3.0. I am not changing because there was anything I did not like about the meltdown, in fact I loved the meltdown and it worked GREAT for me. I just wanted to try another fat burner to compare them. I will let you know after a while what the differences are between them. Differences so far:

Hyperdrive 3.0 gets me more jittery than Meltdown did. However I do feel a bit more energy when on the Hyperdrive. I also had no trouble sleeping when on the meltdown. I HAVE to make sure I take my Hyperdrive early in the AM or I am going to have a hard time sleeping at night. But like I said, I feel a little more energy with the hyperdrive. I will find out in a few weeks if the greater energy is worth the lack of sleep and the jitters.

 

[eVoluti0n]

I do have a question for Gopro, that I'm hoping he or someone can help answer.

I've been redirected to try out Meltdown but I do have my doubts. You see, I've tried the liquid form of Redline and it has basically no effect on me. I'm guessing it's because my system was used to the high dose of caffeine from drinking coffee a lot, but I'm unsure of that.

I'm in serious need of a really good fat burner, I want some quick results (although I know nothing works over night) and it seems like Meltdown works wonders, but again, I have my doubts.

Secondly, if you were to compare Redline to Lean Xtreme, which would you suggest? I've been told both work well, but Lean Xtreme is good for targeting problem areas, such as stomach and love handles.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. I appreciate your time and any info you can give me.

 

[gopro]

I do have a question for Gopro, that I'm hoping he or someone can help answer.

I've been redirected to try out Meltdown but I do have my doubts. You see, I've tried the liquid form of Redline and it has basically no effect on me. I'm guessing it's because my system was used to the high dose of caffeine from drinking coffee a lot, but I'm unsure of that.

I'm in serious need of a really good fat burner, I want some quick results (although I know nothing works over night) and it seems like Meltdown works wonders, but again, I have my doubts.

Secondly, if you were to compare Redline to Lean Xtreme, which would you suggest? I've been told both work well, but Lean Xtreme is good for targeting problem areas, such as stomach and love handles.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. I appreciate your time and any info you can give me.

You are certainly a RARE nonresponder to Redline. In fact, I do not even use Redline because it affects me TOO MUCH! It makes me feel ill!

However, Meltdown worked beautifully for me, and I always felt great on it. Also had no problems sleeping and great focus in the gym.

It has worked extremely well for the MAJORITY of users, but of course that is not a guarantee that it will work as well for you. All of us repsond somewhat differently to even the BEST formulas.

I would definitely give MD a try though because so far its track record is fantastic.

As for Lean Extreme, this is a solid product that works through a somewhat different mechanism than Meltdown. Certainly these two products can be cycled back and forth.

 

[eVoluti0n]

You are certainly a RARE nonresponder to Redline. In fact, I do not even use Redline because it affects me TOO MUCH! It makes me feel ill!

However, Meltdown worked beautifully for me, and I always felt great on it. Also had no problems sleeping and great focus in the gym.

It has worked extremely well for the MAJORITY of users, but of course that is not a guarantee that it will work as well for you. All of us repsond somewhat differently to even the BEST formulas.

I would definitely give MD a try though because so far its track record is fantastic.

As for Lean Extreme, this is a solid product that works through a somewhat different mechanism than Meltdown. Certainly these two products can be cycled back and forth.

I thank you for your input. I'll try anything once, so I'll definitely give this a go in a few weeks.

 

[gopro]

I thank you for your input. I'll try anything once, so I'll definitely give this a go in a few weeks.

Sounds good!

 

[ALBOB]

I'm not going to go through 15 pages to check, but I'm pretty sure this is my first post in this thread. With that I'd like to send a HUGE thank-you to my friend Eric (gopro) for turning me on to this product. I screwed up by not taking a before picture or any formal measurements, but I can say for a fact this stuff is great. My workout routine hasn't changed a bit; brisk walks seven days a week and weights three times a week. The only diet change was to eat salad for lunch instead of a huge helping of left overs from the previous night's dinner.

I almost came unglued a month ago when I had to go out and buy jeans with a size 40 waist. I repeat, that was one month ago. This morning I comfortably got back into my size 36's. Not anywhere near where I should be, but a Hell of a lot better than where I was a month ago.

Thanks again Eric. You da' man.

 

[gopro]

I'm not going to go through 15 pages to check, but I'm pretty sure this is my first post in this thread. With that I'd like to send a HUGE thank-you to my friend Eric (gopro) for turning me on to this product. I screwed up by not taking a before picture or any formal measurements, but I can say for a fact this stuff is great. My workout routine hasn't changed a bit; brisk walks seven days a week and weights three times a week. The only diet change was to eat salad for lunch instead of a huge helping of left overs from the previous night's dinner.

I almost came unglued a month ago when I had to go out and buy jeans with a size 40 waist. I repeat, that was one month ago. This morning I comfortably got back into my size 36's. Not anywhere near where I should be, but a Hell of a lot better than where I was a month ago.

Thanks again Eric. You da' man.

My friend...I am so glad to read this! I appreciate you posting this up here! Thank you!

 

[dsnorrod]

I almost came unglued a month ago when I had to go out and buy jeans with a size 40 waist. I repeat, that was one month ago. This morning I comfortably got back into my size 36's. Not anywhere near where I should be, but a Hell of a lot better than where I was a month ago.

I have been combing through this thread for a few days now debating on weather or not to try this product but this thread did it for me. I recently got off a PSMF and am cutting now with good results (down almost 20 lbs ) but feel the EC stack I'm taking now isn't doing what it's supposed to. I have to try this stuff. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[gopro]

I have been combing through this thread for a few days now debating on weather or not to try this product but this thread did it for me. I recently got off a PSMF and am cutting now with good results (down almost 20 lbs ) but feel the EC stack I'm taking now isn't doing what it's supposed to. I have to try this stuff. I'll let you know how it goes.

Yes, please let us know. Feedback is important. I hope it does as well for you as so many others!

GP

 

[eVoluti0n]

I got Meltdown in the mail on Saturday and tried it on Sunday.

Let's just say my experience with Meltdown wasn't a good one.

 

[gopro]

I got Meltdown in the mail on Saturday and tried it on Sunday.

Let's just say my experience with Meltdown wasn't a good one.

Please explain.

How many caps did you take?

What were the negative effects?

Details please.

Thanks!

 

[eVoluti0n]

Please explain.

How many caps did you take?

What were the negative effects?

Details please.

Thanks!

well, I first took them on Sunday without a problem. I took 1 cap in the morning with no food, then ate shortly after, maybe an hour or more. I did feel more alert and relaxed. I took another cap around 6 pm, then ate about 2 hours later. not a problem at all. my first experience was fine, it was only the second day I had a problem.

my second day I took 2 caps in the morning, since I was fine with 1 cap previously. (bottle states to take 1 or 2 to build tolerance) I took them around 930 am and 2 hours later I started to feel warm, which I felt was no big deal. Around 11:45 my heart rate was up quite a bit and it freaked me out. That lasted a good 2-3 min and stopped. I figured I'd be fine and thought nothing of it.

Around 12:15 it came back only it seemed to be worse. I was shaking a little bit, heart rate was up as well as my blood pressure. Keep in mind this happened at work, so I needed an ambulance because breathing was a little difficult. My symptoms lasted a good 4-5 hours, but my temperature was around 98.8 all day.

I couldn't sleep that night and was up for over 24 hours. I'm not sensitive to caffeine but this is the first time I've ever experienced this type of problem. I don't blame the pills but rather myself for what happened.

I know everything I felt are the same effects one experiences when using Redline, so I figured everything I experienced was normal. However, the rapid heart beat and high blood pressure was something I've never experienced so I didn't know what to think, except react on my instincts and call for help.

Since that day my heart has been a little achy but it seems to have calmed down. At least I know the product worked for what I went through lol. I did pee a lot constantly, it was as clear as water. I know if I were to keep taking the pills I could lose weight without a problem with the increase in body temperature, but after what I went through I'm kinda hesitant to take any pill now, because I feel I'll have a relapse and that scares me.

If I were to rate my overall experience, I'd give it a 7/10. The product works well, and the only reason I didn't score higher was due to the negative effects I felt. Had I not gone through what I did, I'd rate it a little higher.

Am I upset with what happened? Yes and no. I'm upset mainly because I was careless and should have built up some tolerance first prior to taking 2 pills. For the "no" response, again as I've stated before, I don't blame the product for what happened, only myself.

This is a solid product, but if you're not careful like myself, you could end up in the ER with a non-responding heart.

 

[workingatit43]

well, I first took them on Sunday without a problem. I took 1 cap in the morning with no food, then ate shortly after, maybe an hour or more. I did feel more alert and relaxed. I took another cap around 6 pm, then ate about 2 hours later. not a problem at all. my first experience was fine, it was only the second day I had a problem.

my second day I took 2 caps in the morning, since I was fine with 1 cap previously. (bottle states to take 1 or 2 to build tolerance) I took them around 930 am and 2 hours later I started to feel warm, which I felt was no big deal. Around 11:45 my heart rate was up quite a bit and it freaked me out. That lasted a good 2-3 min and stopped. I figured I'd be fine and thought nothing of it.

Around 12:15 it came back only it seemed to be worse. I was shaking a little bit, heart rate was up as well as my blood pressure. Keep in mind this happened at work, so I needed an ambulance because breathing was a little difficult. My symptoms lasted a good 4-5 hours, but my temperature was around 98.8 all day.

I couldn't sleep that night and was up for over 24 hours. I'm not sensitive to caffeine but this is the first time I've ever experienced this type of problem. I don't blame the pills but rather myself for what happened.

I know everything I felt are the same effects one experiences when using Redline, so I figured everything I experienced was normal. However, the rapid heart beat and high blood pressure was something I've never experienced so I didn't know what to think, except react on my instincts and call for help.

Since that day my heart has been a little achy but it seems to have calmed down. At least I know the product worked for what I went through lol. I did pee a lot constantly, it was as clear as water. I know if I were to keep taking the pills I could lose weight without a problem with the increase in body temperature, but after what I went through I'm kinda hesitant to take any pill now, because I feel I'll have a relapse and that scares me.

If I were to rate my overall experience, I'd give it a 7/10. The product works well, and the only reason I didn't score higher was due to the negative effects I felt. Had I not gone through what I did, I'd rate it a little higher.

Am I upset with what happened? Yes and no. I'm upset mainly because I was careless and should have built up some tolerance first prior to taking 2 pills. For the "no" response, again as I've stated before, I don't blame the product for what happened, only myself.

This is a solid product, but if you're not careful like myself, you could end up in the ER with a non-responding heart.

Wow bro sorry to hear that. I started very slowly I think 1 cap for 3 or 4 day. How much water were you drinking while taking it? It is possible you had a bad reaction to it we all react differently to different compounds. I hope all works out well fro yoy bro.

 

[DaMayor]

eVoluti0n, were you taking any other meds, OTC or otherwise, while trying meltdown? Have you ever had any problems with anxiety or panic attacks? What's your weight?

I took them around 930 am and 2 hours later....Around 11:45 my heart rate was up quite a bit.....Around 12:15 it came back.... I couldn't sleep that night and was up for over 24 hours.

Seems to me your symptoms lasted far beyond the effectiveness of a single a.m. dose.

 

[eVoluti0n]

Wow bro sorry to hear that. I started very slowly I think 1 cap for 3 or 4 day. How much water were you drinking while taking it? It is possible you had a bad reaction to it we all react differently to different compounds. I hope all works out well fro yoy bro.

Thank you for the kind words.

My job has an unlimited supply of water, so I wasn't necessarily downing water at that point, but I had some at my desk that I was drinking. We have the standard water bottles that you can buy in a machine but we get them free. As soon as the effects hit I started downing water, and drank about 3 or 4 bottles at that point to try and flush it out. Didn't help much.

eVoluti0n, were you taking any other meds, OTC or otherwise, while trying meltdown? Have you ever had any problems with anxiety or panic attacks? What's your weight?

Seems to me your symptoms lasted far beyond the effectiveness of a single a.m. dose.

The previous night I had taken some benadryl and 2 tylenol extra strength pills 'cuz I was feeling a little sickness come on and I wanted to prevent it a bit. I took those around 1 am I believe. Other than that I don't take meds on a regular basis. I've never had problems with anxiety or panic attacks, but my mother does have high blood pressure herself, although I've never had a problem with it, nor have I had a problem with supplements with high amounts of caffeine. I'm not sensitive to caffeine so something went wrong somewhere.

I do have a problem worrying too much. I'm a hypochondriac so when this happened I freaked out more than I should have. I remember when my symptoms were off and on, I had to breathe heavily and calm myself down, just so my heart rate and blood pressure would drop. I had to help myself since the damn ER wouldn't.

My current weight is 180 lbs and I'm 5'10. Even though everything has passed, my chest / heart area still gives me problems. I have a little pain underneath my left pec muscle, as well as my right side sometimes. It feels like someone is pinching it, or otherwise putting some type of pressure on it. I'm not sure if its heart related, but whatever it is makes me feel like I wanna pass out at times. My heart is healthy from what the EMT guy told me, so I have no worries there. I guess one way to describe what I'm feeling is rather simple: my heart feels like it does when fear strikes - you get that warm tingling feeling inside and a little bit of pain from excitement. I feel that all day long and its annoying.

 

[DaMayor]

Benadryl can go in either direction. It puts me in a coma, and sends my son into the ozone. But if you took it more than four hours before....eh...who knows.
Sounds to me like you experienced symptoms similar to a good old fashioned panic attack. Keep in mind, Meltdown has other substances/stimulants that might effect someone with acute sensitivity in a negative way. Personally, I have taken some less refined and/or inferior "fat burners" in the past that made me feel like I was going to have a nervous breakdown....It is indeed an unsettling experience to say the least. But those products were junk really, and the science behind them wasn't anywhere near what it is today. From what I have read and heard about Meltdown, I doubt this product would have done this to ya.....I think its a combination of things.
I'd still go to the Doc, maybe ask him about adrenaline issues, anxiety, blood pressure...all the things you described here.

Good luck.

 

[gopro]

well, I first took them on Sunday without a problem. I took 1 cap in the morning with no food, then ate shortly after, maybe an hour or more. I did feel more alert and relaxed. I took another cap around 6 pm, then ate about 2 hours later. not a problem at all. my first experience was fine, it was only the second day I had a problem.

my second day I took 2 caps in the morning, since I was fine with 1 cap previously. (bottle states to take 1 or 2 to build tolerance) I took them around 930 am and 2 hours later I started to feel warm, which I felt was no big deal. Around 11:45 my heart rate was up quite a bit and it freaked me out. That lasted a good 2-3 min and stopped. I figured I'd be fine and thought nothing of it.

Around 12:15 it came back only it seemed to be worse. I was shaking a little bit, heart rate was up as well as my blood pressure. Keep in mind this happened at work, so I needed an ambulance because breathing was a little difficult. My symptoms lasted a good 4-5 hours, but my temperature was around 98.8 all day.

I couldn't sleep that night and was up for over 24 hours. I'm not sensitive to caffeine but this is the first time I've ever experienced this type of problem. I don't blame the pills but rather myself for what happened.

I know everything I felt are the same effects one experiences when using Redline, so I figured everything I experienced was normal. However, the rapid heart beat and high blood pressure was something I've never experienced so I didn't know what to think, except react on my instincts and call for help.

Since that day my heart has been a little achy but it seems to have calmed down. At least I know the product worked for what I went through lol. I did pee a lot constantly, it was as clear as water. I know if I were to keep taking the pills I could lose weight without a problem with the increase in body temperature, but after what I went through I'm kinda hesitant to take any pill now, because I feel I'll have a relapse and that scares me.

If I were to rate my overall experience, I'd give it a 7/10. The product works well, and the only reason I didn't score higher was due to the negative effects I felt. Had I not gone through what I did, I'd rate it a little higher.

Am I upset with what happened? Yes and no. I'm upset mainly because I was careless and should have built up some tolerance first prior to taking 2 pills. For the "no" response, again as I've stated before, I don't blame the product for what happened, only myself.

This is a solid product, but if you're not careful like myself, you could end up in the ER with a non-responding heart.

I want to thank you for both writing out your experience and also recognizing that perhaps you jumped dosages too quickly. This is the first feedback that I have heard of this kind at ANY DOSE, but still, it is good to have it on record.

Something is strange about the whole thing, however, as your reaction seemed too strong and to last too long for a dose of just 2 pills, after feeling TOTALLY FINE on half the dose.

Unfortunately, we don't know if your body was extra sensitive at that point for some reason, or if there was an interaction with the Benedryl of some kind.

Of course, with some people when they begin to feel jittery, nervous or a slightly racing heart they cause their OWN symptoms to elevate through panic. This might have happened to you.

Either way, I am so sorry you had such an experience.

 

[Bradicallyman]

I used meltdown and had amazing results! I recommend it to anyone. My Fiancee is thinking about trying it and she was wondering if she would be able to have coffee in the mornings. She is a teacher and having her morning coffee is an absolute must according to her. Maybe coffee in the mornings and first dose of meltdown 3 hours later?

Second question. I took meltdown for 22 days. I wanted to order another bottle at the same time as her. How long should I wait between cycles?