Ah yes. So a cop will never check out around the property nor knock on the door before backup arrives to identify to the situation. My bad
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Ah yes. So a cop will never check out around the property nor knock on the door before backup arrives to identify to the situation. My bad
This incident happened after 5 cops were shot through a door.
Wouldn't you be edgy after that? Well then again this guy looks like a geek...so throw that out.
Wouldn't you be edgy after that? Well then again this guy looks like a geek...so throw that out.
the cop didn't allow this to escalate to nationwide issues. Gates is responsible for that 100% I hope harvard fires his stupid ass
If a cop shows up at your front door (and you have every reason to believe he is a cop) then tells you there has been a report of a burglary in the area it seems to me that you would do everything you could to help the police officer because he is there in an attempt to protect your property. If you decide to hinder that work it seems you are now hurting his ability to protect you.
What if there was an intruder in Mr. Gates home and Mr. Gates just didn't know it? And the whole time Mr. Gates is arguing with the officer the burglar is running out the back door with the jewelry.
Stop with all this sensible stuff.
That is not going to happen, that would be a public relations nightmare.
People don't see this.
I can't wait to hear the transmission.
screw PR. and screw Gates. He is a part of the problem with race relations here in America. Gates is creating racism with this non sense shit
Both may share some guilt for allowing things to escalate to where they did.
But the cop was wrong, he should have just shook the mans hand and said I was just responding to a call of a break in, I can see that this is you're home. . Police are supposed to be upstanding citizens just as you and I are.
Officer rebuts Gates??? account of arrest incident
Cop says he didn???t want to take ???such drastic action,??? but Gates ???provoked???
By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 9:00 a.m. ET, Fri., July 24, 2009
The white police officer who was criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting a black Harvard professor outside his home has fired back at the president and other critics, refusing to apologize for his actions.
In an exclusive one-on-one interview with television station WHDH that TODAY aired Friday, Sgt. James Crowley, an 11-year veteran of the Cambridge Police Department, also said he was aware when he arrested professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. that it would be seen as controversial and bring unwanted attention on him. But, he insisted, Gates??? aggressive behavior left the officer with no choice.
???I really didn???t want to have to take such a drastic action because I knew it was going to bring a certain amount of attention, unwanted attention, on me. Nonetheless, that???s how far professor Gates pushed it and provoked and just wouldn???t stop,??? Crowley said.
???Deeply pained???
The incident happened on Thursday, July 16. On Wednesday, July 22, Obama was asked about it at his press conference regarding his efforts to pass a national health care plan. The president said that police acted ???stupidly??? in arresting the professor, who is a personal friend of Obama???s.
On Thursday, Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas said he was ???deeply pained??? by Obama???s comments and defended Crowley.
Gates, who is one of the nation???s leading scholars on race relations in America, has also jumped into the fray, offering a description of what happened that night that is widely at odds with the story told by Crowley and Cambridge police.
Gates had come home that night in a hired car after a prolonged absence and found he couldn???t get into his home. A neighbor called police to report a possible break-in at the house by two black men wearing backpacks. Responding to the call, Crowley said he encountered Gates at his front door.
???I asked him if he would step outside and speak with me, and he said, ???No, I will not,??? and again words to the effect of ???What's this about???? ??? Crowley said. ???And I said, ???I???m Sergeant Crowley from the Cambridge Police Department. I???m investigating a break-in in progress.??? And he responded, ???Why? Because I???m a black man in America???? in a very agitated tone, and again I thought that was a little strange.???
Differing accounts
Gates is 5-foot-7 and navigates with the aid of a cane, and Crowley said he did not fit the profile of a burglar. ???His appearance did lead me to believe maybe this wasn't your typical breaking-and-entering type person experience, however, that response from him was a little strange; uncommon in my experience,??? Crowley said.
The officer said he asked Gates if there was another person in the residence because the call to police had mentioned two people. ???I wasn???t expecting his response, which was ???That???s none of your business.??? To me that???s a strange response for somebody that has nothing to hide,??? Crowley said.
After telling Gates several times that he was acting disorderly, the officer said he finally arrested him on disorderly conduct charges, which were later dropped.
???I was leaving as I reached the porch, and I was aware that now he was following me because he was still yelling about racism and black men in America, and that he wasn???t somebody to be messing with,??? Crowley said in the interview, which initially aired on NBC affiliate WHDH in Boston.
Gates told CNN a totally different story.
???I said, ???This is my house, I???m a Harvard professor. I live here,??? ??? Gates said. ???He said, ???Can you prove it???? I said, ???Just a minute.??? And I turned my back, I walked into the kitchen to get my Harvard ID and my Massachusetts driver???s license. He followed me without permission. I gave him the 2 IDs and I demanded to know his name and badge number. He wouldn???t say anything. He was just very upset and I said, ???Why are you not responding to me? Are you not responding to me because you???re a white officer and I???m a black man???? ???
Gates said Crowley turned and walked outside onto the porch with the professor following. Outside, Gates said he found the porch filled with police officers. ???It looked like a police convention, there were so many policemen outside,??? Gates said. ???I stepped out on my porch and said, ???I want to know your colleague???s name and his badge number.??? This officer said, ???Thank you for accommodating my earlier request. You are under arrest.??? ???
He said, he said
Gates called Crowley ???a rogue policeman. Look how tumultuous I am. I am 5-foot-7 and weigh 150 pounds and my tumultuous, outrageous action was to demand that he give me his name and his badge number.???
Crowley said it wasn???t that way at all.
???He was the one that was being provocative,??? the officer said. ???This wasn???t a back-and-forth exchange of banter or arguing. This was one-sided. I was profusely telling him to calm down during this whole exchange because I really didn???t want this either.???
Crowley teaches a course on racial profiling to cadets and officers at the Cambridge Police Academy and insists he is not a racist. He said he didn???t expect President Obama to weigh in as emotionally as he did.
???I was a little surprised and disappointed that the president, who didn???t have all the facts by his own admission, then weighed in on the events of that night, and then made a comment that you know really offended not just the officers in the Cambridge Police Department, but officers around the country,??? Crowley said.
The officer added, ???I have tremendous amount of respect and support the president of the United States and everything that he???s trying to do in this day and age, so I think it???s disappointing.???
As the controversy grew, Obama refused to back down, though some of his aides have tried their best to diminish it.
???I have to say I???m surprised by the controversy surrounding my statement, because I think it was a pretty straightforward commentary that you probably don???t need to handcuff a guy ??? a middle-aged man who uses a cane who was in his own home,??? Obama said in an ABC News interview Thursday night.
© 2009 MSNBC Interactive. Reprints
URL: Officer rebuts Gatesâ?????? account of arrest incident - TODAY People
Who's telling the truth?
Could the 2nd person be a boy toy?
Could the 2nd person be a boy toy?
Looks like nothing but the race card being played to me, but none of us know what really happened.
I had the race card thrown at me this past Sunday. I don't think I've ever been more pissed in my life.
I was out to eat & went to pay the bill. I went to the counter to pay & a black woman got up and started a different line. She kept inching up. I saw her doing it, but didn't think she was trying to bump me in line. Anyway, the person ahead of me finishes, so step up & she starts bitching. This woman actually said "This cracker is racist"...
The thing that pissed me off so much is she knew damn well I was there well before her. She had a motive to make a scene..nothing more.
My point.. anyone can say anything, but unless you are there you have no idea what happened. We also have no idea about what kind of person this professor or cop is, but the cop's past has to play a role, and he looks legit.
And Obama's involvement is going to hurt him.
I had the race card thrown at me this past Sunday. I don't think I've ever been more pissed in my life.
I was out to eat & went to pay the bill. I went to the counter to pay & a black woman got up and started a different line. She kept inching up. I saw her doing it, but didn't think she was trying to bump me in line. Anyway, the person ahead of me finishes, so step up & she starts bitching. This woman actually said "This cracker is racist"...
The thing that pissed me off so much is she knew damn well I was there well before her. She had a motive to make a scene..nothing more.
My point.. anyone can say anything, but unless you are there you have no idea what happened. We also have no idea about what kind of person this professor or cop is, but the cop's past has to play a role, and he looks legit.
And Obama's involvement is going to hurt him.
See, now this is turning into a 3 sided story. His side, his side and the truth.
Bull shit. if you provoke a police officer then you deserve to go to jail. This guy was being a jack ass. lesson of the day, don't be a jack ass to the police.
I think this needs to be posted again.
YouTube - Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
YouTube - Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
I didn't want to say it, but that sounded a bit strange to me too. Who goes on vacation with another dude ?
It's a good thing you're a biochemist, cause you sound a lot like "Dirty Harry"!
damn. This makes sense now. he is trying to bring attention away from the fact that he is a puffer. damn
hell yes. More cops need to be like clint eastwood
Obama made a mistake and again another case where he tries to get involved in everything.Looks like nothing but the race card being played to me, but none of us know what really happened.
I had the race card thrown at me this past Sunday. I don't think I've ever been more pissed in my life.
I was out to eat & went to pay the bill. I went to the counter to pay & a black woman got up and started a different line. She kept inching up. I saw her doing it, but didn't think she was trying to bump me in line. Anyway, the person ahead of me finishes, so step up & she starts bitching. This woman actually said "This cracker is racist"...
The thing that pissed me off so much is she knew damn well I was there well before her. She had a motive to make a scene..nothing more.
My point.. anyone can say anything, but unless you are there you have no idea what happened. We also have no idea about what kind of person this professor or cop is, but the cop's past has to play a role, and he looks legit.
And Obama's involvement is going to hurt him.
Instead of micro managing can we change it to micro presidenting?
What was the outcome with that lady in the restaurant?
lol, he said puffer.
Nothing.. I laughed, rolled my eyes, paid & left. Really pissed me off though.
Together we can crack this case.
If I worked in that restaurant I would have spit in her food just for you.
Next time they call you a cracker ask them "How did you know I was one if I didn't carry a whip"
Cracker is the sound the whip would make.
It's ok to call a white person a cracker or marshmellow but it's bad to call a black man a n*gger or spade.
Unreal.
Cracker is the sound the whip would make.
It's ok to call a white person a cracker or marshmellow but it's bad to call a black man a n*gger or spade.
Unreal.
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nice
The incident really shows how much anger people have pent up. If both parties kept their cool (after assessing the situation) and didn't have disproportionate reactionary responses both verbally and in their actions, the whole thing would not have made national news.
Law enforcement encounters are tricky because policeare trained to speak authoritatively and to protect themselves from getting killed during an investigation gone awry. Every call for service could be their last. Citizens have been molded by media and bad cops to have a generalized disrespect towards police and to watch their back.
Gates is an angry man. Despite his professional standing in the community his true colors showed. Same with the arresting officer who is probably tired of bullcrap and thusly acted disproportionately (but appropriately). Meaning he could have been a real prick and wielded his weapon and threatened all kinds of injustice towards a citizen.
All things considered, the incident ended well. Just a couple of egos were hurt. Boo Hoo
However, for the record, everytime I hang out on campus with a fellow black male doctor we have been stopped by police. Once when I was looking for parking at Emory with the guy sitting next to me and once when I was with a black cardioloigst MD PHd was looking for parking at Georgia Tech to give a lecture. ( We both were giving lectures.) The campus police pulled him and me over ( I was sitting in the passenger seat) and searched us! I guess seeing an asian woman hanging out with a black dude seems threatening. This is the south still afterall.
Law enforcement encounters are tricky because policeare trained to speak authoritatively and to protect themselves from getting killed during an investigation gone awry. Every call for service could be their last. Citizens have been molded by media and bad cops to have a generalized disrespect towards police and to watch their back.
Gates is an angry man. Despite his professional standing in the community his true colors showed. Same with the arresting officer who is probably tired of bullcrap and thusly acted disproportionately (but appropriately). Meaning he could have been a real prick and wielded his weapon and threatened all kinds of injustice towards a citizen.
All things considered, the incident ended well. Just a couple of egos were hurt. Boo Hoo
However, for the record, everytime I hang out on campus with a fellow black male doctor we have been stopped by police. Once when I was looking for parking at Emory with the guy sitting next to me and once when I was with a black cardioloigst MD PHd was looking for parking at Georgia Tech to give a lecture. ( We both were giving lectures.) The campus police pulled him and me over ( I was sitting in the passenger seat) and searched us! I guess seeing an asian woman hanging out with a black dude seems threatening. This is the south still afterall.
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I hate racism, I really do.
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