Harvard Professor ordeal

[bandaidwoman]

I hate racism, I really do.

I'll tell you a secret, the chinese and asians are some of the worst and most prejudicial people around. I can't tell you how my relatives in Taiwan and China trash blacks. They think they are superior to whites and blacks( because score the highest on IQ tests etc.) They really think they are superior ( the Japs are even more notorious when I went to school in Japan the teachers even told us we were not humans). When I dated a black guy in high school my mom almost disowned me. ( The guy went to the air force academy and is now a chemical engineer). It's strange since she married a white guy and all her relatives told her the cross breeding would produce retarded , animal like children......

 

[IronAddict]

The incident really shows how much anger people have pent up. If both parties kept their cool (after assessing the situation) and didn't have disproportionate reactionary responses both verbally and in their actions, the whole thing would not have made national news.
Law enforcement encounters are tricky because policeare trained to speak authoritatively and to protect themselves from getting killed during an investigation gone awry. Every call for service could be their last. Citizens have been molded by media and bad cops to have a generalized disrespect towards police and to watch their back.
Gates is an angry man. Despite his professional standing in the community his true colors showed. Same with the arresting officer who is probably tired of bullcrap and thusly acted disproportionately (but appropriately). Meaning he could have been a real prick and wielded his weapon and threatened all kinds of injustice towards a citizen.

All things considered, the incident ended well. Just a couple of egos were hurt. Boo Hoo

However, for the record, everytime I hang out on campus with a fellow black male doctor we have been stopped by police. Once when I was looking for parking at Emory with the guy sitting next to me and once when I was with a black cardioloigst MD PHd was looking for parking at Georgia Tech to give a lecture. ( We both were giving lectures.) The campus police pulled him and me over ( I was sitting in the passenger seat) and searched us! I guess seeing an asian woman hanging out with a black dude seems threatening. This is the south still afterall.

No doubt, here we are almost in 2010, and I'm beginning to think that truly understanding race relations will never really happen. Just like a single payer health care bill will never really happen.

 

[I Are Baboon]

John Harvard's Brewhouse makes some good beer and chow.

John Harvard's Brew House | Honest Food. Real Beer.

 

[min0 lee]

I'll tell you a secret, the chinese and asians are some of the worst and most prejudicial people around. I can't tell you how my relatives in Taiwan and China trash blacks. They think they are superior to whites and blacks( because score the highest on IQ tests etc.) They really think they are superior ( the Japs are even more notorious when I went to school in Japan the teachers even told us we were not humans). When I dated a black guy in high school my mom almost disowned me. ( The guy went to the air force academy and is now a chemical engineer). It's strange since she married a white guy and all her relatives told her the cross breeding would produce retarded , animal like children......

I'm a mutt, so growing up I was exposed to this nonsense.

I am proud of the fact that where I grew up it was a mixed neighborhood.
On stoop we had a Jew, A Haiten, A colombian, Indian, white American, Puerto Rican, Black American, Chinese.....I can go on with the list.
Race was never an issue, we all got along just fine and we still do to this day.

That neighborhood was both Flushing and Jackson Heights in Queens, now it's changing.

 

[Burner02]

I hate racism, I really do.

"Why hate a person because of the color of their skin, when you can hate them for so many other reason?"
- Dennis Miller

 

[min0 lee]

John Harvard's Brewhouse makes some good beer and chow.

John Harvard's Brew House | Honest Food. Real Beer.

 

[largepkg]

I see most things in black or white (right, wrong) terms. I get shit on all the time for it too. If more did this, this crap wouldn't happen.

Fuck I hate grey!

 

[Keylan]

Bull shit. if you provoke a police officer then you deserve to go to jail. This guy was being a jack ass. lesson of the day, don't be a jack ass to the police.

i'm not convinced gates is the bad guy yet. if you think about how the military handles captures of prisoners it might be interesting to make comparisons.
assuming things really happened the way min0lee's msnbc article says there are some things that are clearer. it seems like gates was mad because he had to force his way into his house and the police showed up asking questions and gettin in his business. And he's gotta go through that as well. if it were me i'd have a similar reaction. "I'm tired of being nice about this shit! I have been through too much to be dealin with this!"
Then the crowley follows him to the kitchen. now there is a cop snooping around inside your house without a warrant or your consent remembering what he is seeing no less. then you have obama immediately supporting his friend.

on the other side if crowley was acting purely on the side of the law perhaps a better description of the alleged perps might have made things clearer. Learning the name of who lives there would help as well. officers' fear being blasted through the door is a legit concern. that's why waiting for back up seems to be a smarter move. (i'm not a cop). do you get medals for apprehending the crooks single-handedly? i can see crowley's scenarios of danger but i still can't see arresting gates for being upset about it yet. what good does his arrest do? was it ever confirmed that gates was indeed one of the men seen breaking in?

 

[Keylan]

 

[Arnold]

No doubt, here we are almost in 2010, and I'm beginning to think that truly understanding race relations will never really happen.

it has more to do with generations, each succeeding generation will be more accepting of different races and racism will eventually die out.

 

[IronAddict]

it has more to do with generations, each succeeding generation will be more accepting of different races and racism will eventually die out.

I hope you're right Prince, but it was in 1619, Africans were first brought here to this country, 400 years in 2019. How many more generations must it take ?

 

[IronAddict]

John Harvard's Brewhouse makes some good beer and chow.

John Harvard's Brew House | Honest Food. Real Beer.

Yeah, but they sure do serve it funny!

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[tucker01]

It will always be around.

Humans are naturally prejudice, and there will always be ignorance around.

It may be that it will become more of a minority, but it will still have its presence

 

[Arnold]

I hope you're right Prince, but it was in 1619, Africans were first brought here to this country, 400 years in 2019. How many more generations must it take ?

you have to look at when blacks were recognized as people and with equal rights in the USA and segregation ended, that was my parent's generation.

 

[Arnold]

It will always be around.

Humans are naturally prejudice, and there will always be ignorance around.

It may be that it will become more of a minority, but it will still have its presence

prejudice is not the same as racism.

 

[tucker01]

Racism is a racial prejudice.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Yeah, but they sure do serve it funny!

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It's beer. I'd drink it.

 

[Arnold]

Racism is a racial prejudice.

not necessarily, some people hate Blacks or Asians for no real reason other than the fact that they're not white, that is not prejudice, its just pure racism.

 

[Keylan]

Yeah, but they sure do serve it funny!

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sure do
so.... how are you supposed to do a beer bong on that thing?!?

 

[Arnold]

so.... how would you do a beer bong on that thing?!?

a beer bong??? you must be in high school. lol

 

[IronAddict]

you have to look at when blacks were recognized as people and with equal rights in the USA and segregation ended, that was my parent's generation.

So, 400 years from 1965! Damn, that would be 2365!


This whole racial superiority is just a bunch of shiite. I"m convinced that the whole all men are created equal BS, just looked good in print.

 

[Keylan]

a beer bong??? you must be in high school. lol

no. sad to say 9-12 were some of the nerdiest years of my life. hahaha
i hear that beer is bad for bodybuilders anyway.

 

[Arnold]

So, 400 years from 1965! Damn, that would be 2365!

my grandfather was EXTREMELY racist, my father was racist, but not extreme, when I was younger I was a little racist, my 16 year old son is not racist at all, in fact one of his good friends is black. I believe it will take 1 or 2 more generations.

I think racism is perpetuated more by Black people today than white people, it seems that the Blacks are the ones that don't want to let it die.

 

[Arnold]

i hear that beer is bad for bodybuilders anyway.

everything in moderation my friend.

 

[IronAddict]

my grandfather was EXTREMELY racist, my father was racist, but not extreme, when I was younger I was a little racist, my 16 year old son is not racist at all, in fact one of his good friends is black. I believe it will take 1 or 2 more generations.

I think racism is perpetuated more by Black people today than white people, it seems that the Blacks are the ones that don't want to let it die.

It really is a sad commentary when racism and reverse racism is the norm.

 

[largepkg]

my grandfather was EXTREMELY racist, my father was racist, but not extreme, when I was younger I was a little racist, my 16 year old son is not racist at all, in fact one of his good friends is black. I believe it will take 1 or 2 more generations.

I think racism is perpetuated more by Black people today than white people, it seems that the Blacks are the ones that don't want to let it die.

Can we all stop saying this crap to justify us as non racist please. I cringe everytime someone says "I'm not racist, my good friend is black".

News flash... People whom have friends of varying races and religions can still be freaking racist! Ugh!

 

[Arnold]

Can we all stop saying this crap to justify us as non racist please. I cringe everytime someone says "I'm not racist, my good friend is black".

News flash... People whom have friends of varying races and religions can still be freaking racist! Ugh!

whatever.

 

[maniclion]

i'm not convinced gates is the bad guy yet. if you think about how the military handles captures of prisoners it might be interesting to make comparisons.
assuming things really happened the way min0lee's msnbc article says there are some things that are clearer. it seems like gates was mad because he had to force his way into his house and the police showed up asking questions and gettin in his business. And he's gotta go through that as well. if it were me i'd have a similar reaction. "I'm tired of being nice about this shit! I have been through too much to be dealin with this!"
Then the crowley follows him to the kitchen. now there is a cop snooping around inside your house without a warrant or your consent remembering what he is seeing no less. then you have obama immediately supporting his friend.

on the other side if crowley was acting purely on the side of the law perhaps a better description of the alleged perps might have made things clearer. Learning the name of who lives there would help as well. officers' fear being blasted through the door is a legit concern. that's why waiting for back up seems to be a smarter move. (i'm not a cop). do you get medals for apprehending the crooks single-handedly? i can see crowley's scenarios of danger but i still can't see arresting gates for being upset about it yet. what good does his arrest do? was it ever confirmed that gates was indeed one of the men seen breaking in?

Isn't that what I posted 2 pages back? And since the charges were dropped and there's been plenty of proof that Crowley isn't a racist why does this keep going on?

 

[Keylan]

Isn't that what I posted 2 pages back? And since the charges were dropped and there's been plenty of proof that Crowley isn't a racist why does this keep going on?

after reading the report i think a lot of people agree. having charges dropped still leaves you with a police record. they don't erase your fingerprints or delete your mugshot. if gates used obscenities there's laws about that. even though it was after the cop entered his home. trash talkin someone's mom, as mean as it is, isn't against the law (i don't think) we'll need to hear the tapes. why are there tapes of the incident anyway?

also how does the dispatcher direct the officers? was it described as a break in in progress or suspicious activity? how do the officers respond to each type of call? did they use their sirens on the way? what would have happened if gates didn't answer the door?

 

[bandaidwoman]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/us/politics/25gates.html?_r=2&hp

Obama Says He Regrets His Language on Gates Arrest

I continue to believe, based on what I have heard, that there was an overreaction in pulling Professor Gates out of his home to the station. I also continue to believe, based on what I heard, Professor Gates probably overreacted as well.”

Ok he can now go back to running the country. Let's get back to work.