what do you recomend for mma fighter

[Klutch]

hello, i need some advise for what i should take
I am 5' 10' 210lb body fat % unknown i have a lil lovin in the oven i can see top 2 abs lol i am 30 years of age. first off 1 1/2 years ago i was in best shape of my life i do pro mma and jiu jitsu comps. and boxing ect. i broke my greater tuburosity off last march (top half of humerous bone) they had to put a screw in my shoulder and could not move my arm for over 6 months still not fully recovered but may never be. I went from 180lb to 225lb (fat) i have been back training now for a few months and started hitting it real hard i do alot of circuit training like 6-7 station 10 reps each station 5min rds 1 min rest 5rds and lil power lifting and also mma training i train 6 days a week some times twice a day my goal is to walk around 185lb ripped so i would like to put a lil more muscle on and lose all the body fat my diet is getting better not the best yet i was thinking hgh but wanted your expert opinion on what i should take. far as experience i took deca and tren about 5 years ago made me real strong but put weight on me also i want to do only 1 cycle and also something that will be out of my system in at least 6 months we get random testing i prob wont fight a gain for at least 6 months i just need a kick start and also what to take post cycle thanks for your time and patience, klutch

 

[VictorZ06]

I don't suggest ever taking both deca and tren at the same time, it's not at all healthy for you (both are 19nors). HGH works well, but you have to be able to run it for several months at a time...and for some that can be too expensive. I suggest running a cycle of test only for a solid 12 weeks. Run it right with an AI, HCG, and proper PCT, and you shouldn't have any problems achieving your goal. I might also add that you should check out what your BF% is. If it's too high, I would first lower it naturally before hitting the juice.

For MMA, I think it's best to have some additional BF...this way your body can absorb the shock from your opponent's blows easier. The lower the BF, the better chance you have of getting one of your organs damaged. 8-12% is ideal, IMHO.


/V

 

[Klutch]

what ai and pct and test do you recomend and how much should i take of each and when and dumb ? this wont make my gain weight thanks again for your knowledge and patience

 

[Tyler3295]

Do some research, lay out what YOU think the AIs and PCT should be and we will CRITIQUE it for you.

Hopefully everyone else here backs me up on this..

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..and what do you mean, "this wont make my gain weight again"?

 

[Klutch]

i dont want to gain any weight trying drop lb for competion i was asking would it make me gain weight
thanks, Klutch

 

[Klutch]

just tyring to ask what exactly to take if that wrong here I apologise for breaking any rules

 

[jcar1016]

No bro theres nothin wrong with your questions what others are trying to say is you need to do some more research for your self first. Put it like this you come on here an start askin what do I take? So if I said use some potasium cyanide you drop weight like crazy would you do it? The point is you are gonna put this shit in your body do your self a favor and find out all you can on your own first so you at least get a good idea of whats real and whats bullshit. And to answer a couple of your questions no Testosterone doesnt just magically make you gain weight that has to do with your diet and exercise more than anything else. I ask this respectfully but who taught you how to cut bro? In the week of a fight I can drop close to 20 pounds in water for a weigh in. I think you have some other things to work on first before your ready for AAS I say this for your own safety bro. Like my boy Vic said if your gonna do AAS then please at least stick to just Test for now but I would hold off and see where you can get naturally first. I've had more than a couple fights bro and in reality they very seldom test anyone unless its for a title fight. It can happen but pretty rarely. Good luck and be safe

 

[Klutch]

iv been doing research on here and and online everything here says put in your stats and we will put something 2gether for you and thats what i did. i will do research but i need something to research thats why im here also if vic say take this and i research and everything else online agrees then ill do it far as gear i can get pharm grade and im not trying to nothing else but test mabey hgh and also im trying to walk around at 185lb my fight weight is 170lb im not trying to cut for a fight with gear just trying to get back to close to where i was i can drop 15lb day before a fight also iv been doing mma for 8 years i just need a jump start cause of my injury but thanks for your input tho, klutch

 

[jcar1016]

Fair enuff k then I suggest a nice clean diet. 500mg Test ew if you dont mind pinning go with test Prop you shouldnt have any water retention issues. I wouldnt go more than 8-10 weeks your first run. Focus on strength training dont lift heavy or your gonna gain. Run Arimidex during cycle at .5mg eod you can go up if ya need to but that should be sufficient. 1000ius HCG ew spilt in two during cycle starting second week. for Pct drop the HCG and Arimidex and run Aromasin at 12.5mg eod and clomid run 100/75/50/50mg run the Aromasin at least a week longer than the clomid. Finish your pct before weigh in and you wont drop dirty for anything. Good Luk be safe and i hope thats more what your lookin for.

 

[Dusters]

Don't most states require a test when you apply for a license? As far as a cycle goes, I think HGH would benefit you if you can afford to run it for 6 months. They can't test for HGH yet, and it helps most people recover better and lean out.

As far as gear goes, I don't think you need much in order to cut fat and retain muscle. You obviously want to stay away from nandrolone and boldenone since they stay in your system for a long time. Honestly, I think tren ace, low dose test and hgh would do wonders. I know tren will make your cardio more difficult, but you're just getting back into shape, and you're not fighting, so who cares? It will definately help you drop fat quickly. When you finish the test and tren, you'll be a lean mean fightin machine.

P.S. Check to see how long any compound will stay in your system, for testing purposes.

 

[Klutch]

thanks for the info but can i go without the hcg not to familiar with that is that the hormones found in preg women and as far as the clomid goes when you say 100/75/50/50mg do u mean take 100 eod for a week and each week drop 25 mg for 4 weeks and when should i start taking clomid and Aromasin and for the test should i just take 500mg from first week to 10 week or should i pyramid it thanks for all the help and also i dont really lift any weight just circuit train or do pushups hindu sqauts explosive movements mabey powerlift once or twice a month tabata type workouts i do alot of interval training lots of sparing and rolling Thanks again Klutch

 

[jcar1016]

I really cant answer all those questions for you this is why we say lay out a proposed cycle and we'll dial you in. When you start Pct will be determined by what kind of Test you use. And no you dont have to use HCG it prevents testicular atrophy and makes recovery easier. If you dont mind nutz the size of raisins then yeah you can skip it but I wouldnt. Spend a few days reading stickies and some research studies put together a cycle and come back and we can go from there. And Im sorry I strongly disagree with a statement made above you do not need Tren at this time it is for experienced guys only. SERIOUSLY

 

[Dusters]

He said in his first post that he has used tren and deca in the past. I don't think 500mg test would give him what he's looking for. This should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway: Diet will be the key to losing fat. Extra test will help a little, but it's main purpose in a cutting cycle is to help retain muscle.

 

[Klutch]

ok thanks i will gather all my info and repost thanks again you have been more than helpfull, Klutch

 

[jcar1016]

He said in his first post that he has used tren and deca in the past. I don't think 500mg test would give him what he's looking for. This should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway: Diet will be the key to losing fat. Extra test will help a little, but it's main purpose in a cutting cycle is to help retain muscle.

Sorry bro but Testosterone also greatly influences fat partitioning(spelling) You can run a succesful cut from just test. He also stated that he recently broke his Humerous Tren would be a real quick and easy way to reinjure it

 

[Dusters]

Sorry bro but Testosterone also greatly influences fat partitioning(spelling) You can run a succesful cut from just test. He also stated that he recently broke his Humerous Tren would be a real quick and easy way to reinjure it

Yes, like I said test will help, as would any anabolic steroid. Anyone who has used both will tell you the difference between Test and Tren, as far as fat loss goes, is night and day...

 

[jcar1016]

Yes bro Im very aware of the diferences The reason Im adamant on my stance with this is he has never ran a REAL cycle therefore this is his first and Tren should not be included of coarse I dont know much and everyone is free to mainline Methyl Tren if they wish. All the same to me

 

[Dusters]

Not sure where the hostility is coming from...I was just offering up a suggestion. I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you mean by this is his first cycle. In his first post he clearly stated he has used both tren and deca before. Maybe I misunderstood him somehow? I don't know what you mean by mainline methyl tren, but I'm guessing you're just being a smartass.

 

[jcar1016]

LOLOL sorry bro Im not bein hostile if thats how it seems. Occasionaly I may be a little gruff cause I know a thing or two about tren Hes never ran Test then hes never ran a cycle bottom line. All I mean is just because some guy told you here stick this in your ass dosent mean youve ran a proper cycle. And someone saying I've ran Tren and Deca but never Test? That should be a big red flag bro. I certainly meant no offence. And yeah I was bein a bit of a smartass

 

[Supermans Daddy]

LOLOL sorry bro Im not bein hostile if thats how it seems. Occasionaly I may be a little gruff cause I know a thing or two about tren Hes never ran Test then hes never ran a cycle bottom line. All I mean is just because some guy told you here stick this in your ass dosent mean youve ran a proper cycle. And someone saying I've ran Tren and Deca but never Test? That should be a big red flag bro. I certainly meant no offence. And yeah I was bein a bit of a smartass

Greets from Sunshine !!

First, I've been watch'n this thread and just check'n out how it's develop'n and the direction it's going. I've seen several interest'n things and I know just a lil bit bout juice and a tiny bit about the fight game myself.

I waited to see if a couple REALLY important factors would be mentioned. My homey Jcar hit one. Cut'n weight. Which is quite different than anything related to bodybuild'n. Has nothin to do with cut'n bf, just dry'n out. That should be done a bit before any fight to avoid being " face puffy" which can lead to easy cuts.
Next , you never mentioned at which level you compete, Pro or Am. Or which Assoc. you'll be fight'n under.Makes a huge difference. If you are involved in small local Am shows the test'n will follow that states Box'n commission's set test'n ( unless it's a smoker) which doe's not effect Am until you reach National ( not regional) titles . Gives you a lil room to work with. KOTC, WEC,ROF,WCL ( all middle to upper level PRO/AM shows work a lil different.Terry Triblacock (KOTC ) for example has to follow National Box'n commission rules because he promotes National / International events. Test'n there involves the piss test for ALL fighters Pro or Am . So it's a bit more strick these days. If your fight'n there Low dose short ester TEST and thats it ! You need to stop at least 3 weeks out and if you got a source ask for CLEAN . It's inject and cost a shitload ( $200.00 for 5 ml) use 48 hours before the test'n. Don't ask me how I know . LOLOL
On the issue of Tren, unless you got Floyd Mayweather type defense and just don't get hit, Tren from what I seen can cause a lot of bleed'n if you get cut.
Cardio, and diet are super important in keep'n weight in check, it can be used to control weight gains on ANY compound. If you are run'n like you should be (1.5 miles for every round you will be fight'n is standard professional level protocol) and in the gym lift'n medimum weight at high volume levels ( 1 exercise per body part 10 sets of 10 reps, complete upper body eod and lower eod) weight control should be no problem. You should discuss that with your trainer.
Now there's the logical part, when prepare'n for a fight you still gotta be concerned with correct choices of compounds, and somebody you know BETTER understand half life and active life SERIOUSLY or you end up like James Toney, Vargas, Tim Silva , Shane Mosey test'n dirty. I'm no expert on anything, But I think Vic and Jcar are dead nuts correct on this one. Depend'n on those factors and your level competition ( perhaps Regional I'm guess'n), Test is a pretty safe bet. But what the hell would I know .

Peace and Love

Keep your hands by your head and your ass of the mat ! Good Luck

PS Jcar is a smart ass, but really intelligent smart ass ! Thats my Boi!!

 

[JerseyDevil]

Listen to Tev (Supermans Daddy)... he knows of what he speaks.

 

[Roaddkingg]

Sd

I just love reading posts by you. I dont know anything about fighting except what I watch on TV on the ultimate fighter which I enjoy. The op needs to look at your pictures and read the post about you'r BF currently. Then you end it with some good rasta man humor about our friend the smart ass.LOL

 

[Klutch]

thanks for all the info i have been fighting Am since 2003 Pro since 2006 im not really interested in tren anyways but appreciate dusters input just want to get a kickstart to get back in fighting body and shape im not going to be fighting for at least 6 months could be longer as far as testing i just wanted to make sure what ever i took wouldnt stay in my system for long periods of time also i think i made up my mind i want to do 10 wks of test and see where im at and decide if i want to do 1 more cycle or get on hgh so i will gather everthing i will be using and lay it out on here then see if im correct on how im using it thanks again for all your guys knowledge and patience for my nooby questions Klutch

 

[juggernaut]

Listen to Tev (Supermans Daddy)... he knows of what he speaks.

so you can translate that shit he just spewed out? I cant.

 

[juggernaut]

hello, i need some advise for what i should take
I am 5' 10' 210lb body fat % unknown i have a lil lovin in the oven i can see top 2 abs lol i am 30 years of age. first off 1 1/2 years ago i was in best shape of my life i do pro mma and jiu jitsu comps. and boxing ect. i broke my greater tuburosity off last march (top half of humerous bone) they had to put a screw in my shoulder and could not move my arm for over 6 months still not fully recovered but may never be. I went from 180lb to 225lb (fat) i have been back training now for a few months and started hitting it real hard i do alot of circuit training like 6-7 station 10 reps each station 5min rds 1 min rest 5rds and lil power lifting and also mma training i train 6 days a week some times twice a day my goal is to walk around 185lb ripped so i would like to put a lil more muscle on and lose all the body fat my diet is getting better not the best yet i was thinking hgh but wanted your expert opinion on what i should take. far as experience i took deca and tren about 5 years ago made me real strong but put weight on me also i want to do only 1 cycle and also something that will be out of my system in at least 6 months we get random testing i prob wont fight a gain for at least 6 months i just need a kick start and also what to take post cycle thanks for your time and patience, klutch

So, if I can make sense out of THIS^, you're looking to put on strength? Or get a lean bodyfat percentage? or both?

 

[Klutch]

more towards leaning out and adding a lil muscle i lost but strength is always a plus (and look a lil better for the ladies lol isnt that usually the goal anyways) but i was wandering if i could get 6 months worth of hgh would it be better to do that or the test thanks for all your guys input i feel like short circuit johnny 5 need more input lol,

Klutch

 

[juggernaut]

more towards leaning out and adding a lil muscle i lost but strength is always a plus (and look a lil better for the ladies lol isnt that usually the goal anyways) but i was wandering if i could get 6 months worth of hgh would it be better to do that or the test thanks for all your guys input i feel like short circuit johnny 5 need more input lol,

Klutch

I'd strongly suggest backing off HGH ideas. It's expensive and in this case, not needed. Training and diet are your keys. AAS is just a supplement to the hard training.
Ini any case, I'm not disregarding your ideas, but if I were you, to lose a little fat, I'd suggest clenbuterol, and for strength gains without putting on weight, I'd use an oral cycle of anavar with side support for your liver. Liv52 should fit the bill well.
Your weight training should consist of heavy compounds. I wrote a routine for a pro MMA fighter that has made huge gains working out twice weekly with me. I also constructed a high/low carb cycling diet for him. He stayed away from the steam room (which I hate anyway), and came into the ring in his last fight as energetic and strong as hell. Needless to say, he won and said he never felt stronger or looked better. After the fight was over, people were complimenting me on the job I did with him, telling me he looked like a bodybuilder.

 

[Dusters]

If your fight'n there Low dose short ester TEST and thats it ! You need to stop at least 3 weeks out and if you got a source ask for CLEAN . It's inject and cost a shitload ( $200.00 for 5 ml) use 48 hours before the test'n. Don't ask me how I know . LOLOL
On the issue of Tren, unless you got Floyd Mayweather type defense and just don't get hit, Tren from what I seen can cause a lot of bleed'n if you get cut.

I would like to point out something very important that is being overlooked here. It's called "reading the thread before posting." Or maybe just "understanding what you have just read" (A.K.A. Reading Comprehension). Had you utilized those skills, you could have saved yourself the trouble of posting the above information. Like the OP said in his first post, and like he had to point out to you again, he won't be fighting for at least 6 months. In the meantime, he would like to drop some bodyfat.

 

[Dusters]

Training and diet are your keys. AAS is just a supplement to the hard training.

^^Amen.

 

[juggernaut]

Greets from Sunshine !!

First, I've been watch'n this thread and just check'n out how it's develop'n and the direction it's going. I've seen several interest'n things and I know just a lil bit bout juice and a tiny bit about the fight game myself.

I waited to see if a couple REALLY important factors would be mentioned. My homey Jcar hit one. Cut'n weight. Which is quite different than anything related to bodybuild'n. Has nothin to do with cut'n bf, just dry'n out. That should be done a bit before any fight to avoid being " face puffy" which can lead to easy cuts.
Next , you never mentioned at which level you compete, Pro or Am. Or which Assoc. you'll be fight'n under.Makes a huge difference. If you are involved in small local Am shows the test'n will follow that states Box'n commission's set test'n ( unless it's a smoker) which doe's not effect Am until you reach National ( not regional) titles . Gives you a lil room to work with. KOTC, WEC,ROF,WCL ( all middle to upper level PRO/AM shows work a lil different.Terry Triblacock (KOTC ) for example has to follow National Box'n commission rules because he promotes National / International events. Test'n there involves the piss test for ALL fighters Pro or Am . So it's a bit more strick these days. If your fight'n there Low dose short ester TEST and thats it ! You need to stop at least 3 weeks out and if you got a source ask for CLEAN . It's inject and cost a shitload ( $200.00 for 5 ml) use 48 hours before the test'n. Don't ask me how I know . LOLOL
On the issue of Tren, unless you got Floyd Mayweather type defense and just don't get hit, Tren from what I seen can cause a lot of bleed'n if you get cut.
Cardio, and diet are super important in keep'n weight in check, it can be used to control weight gains on ANY compound. If you are run'n like you should be (1.5 miles for every round you will be fight'n is standard professional level protocol) and in the gym lift'n medimum weight at high volume levels ( 1 exercise per body part 10 sets of 10 reps, complete upper body eod and lower eod) weight control should be no problem. You should discuss that with your trainer.
Now there's the logical part, when prepare'n for a fight you still gotta be concerned with correct choices of compounds, and somebody you know BETTER understand half life and active life SERIOUSLY or you end up like James Toney, Vargas, Tim Silva , Shane Mosey test'n dirty. I'm no expert on anything, But I think Vic and Jcar are dead nuts correct on this one. Depend'n on those factors and your level competition ( perhaps Regional I'm guess'n), Test is a pretty safe bet. But what the hell would I know .

Peace and Love

Keep your hands by your head and your ass of the mat ! Good Luck

PS Jcar is a smart ass, but really intelligent smart ass ! Thats my Boi!!

Where the fuck did you graduate?? I cant comprehend any of this convoluted shit you wrote.