apparently the latest data from the CDC says the opposite.
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apparently the latest data from the CDC says the opposite.
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Werd! Some of that $ doesn't make it back to the states. The Bush admin failed to cut spending. Cutting taxes can give the economy a jolt, but when you start two wars to the tune of a trillion $, then increase domestic spending 36%, the tax cuts don't do much other than drive up debt.
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It doesn't say the opposite. I wonder how many of those people are eligible for medicade and haven't signed up or have kids who qualify for SCHIP. Also, some of them may simply not to pay for it. Some of them may also be illegal aliens. I'd prefer they not have any access to medical care, let alone insurance.
46 million of 306 million is 15% with no health care coverage at all. this number is acceptable to you in supposedly the wealthiest most powerful nation in the world?
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By that logic, our economy was extremely healthy right before the housing bubble popped and the whole damn system almost collapsed. The Dow Jones means diddly shit.
The stock market has recovered somewhat, but nobody has done shit to get people back to work. Again, the rich have been served and everyone else got fucked. I believe in the trickle down affect. It's called getting pissed on.
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It was overheated, partially because of artificially low interest rates and other regulations that made obtaining credit far too easy. Overall, the economy was fairly healthy before it became over heated and the bubble formed. It certainly wasn't because the rich were making too much money or not paying enough in taxes. Afterall, the top 5% pay over 58% of all taxes collected. The bottom roughly 50% pay nothing.
my schooling is paid for and I have a good job. not saying bush is responsible for that, but it happened under his watch.
in the 10 years of vietnam we lost nearly 60k men and left the country to those we were fighting.
in the war bush "started"
roflmao we have lost less than 7k taken over two countries and so far haven't left with our tails tucked between our legs. you really want to complain about bush's spending when the guy you are supporting has made bush look like a scrooge?
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Overall, it was healthy until it became over heated and the bubble formed. Interest rates were artificially low for far too long. There were regulations making credit too easy to obtain and banks basically abandoned sound underwriting practices in order to get on the real estate gravy train. It was bound to burst eventually. But, it certainly had nothing to do with rich people not paying enough in taxes. Afterall, the top 5% pay 58% of all taxes collected and the bottom 50% pay nothing.
No, I want to know what you think the lower and middle class gains with Repulicans in office. I already know how the upper class prosper. But I cannot figure out why a middle class person like yourself thinks they will be better off with Republicans running the country.
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republicans 
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I personally dont like working 3 jobs and giving 30% off the top to "poor" people. I was poor, like one gas burner in the winter poor, grew up on food stamps and such. It wasnt because my dad was disabled, had alot to do with him being lazy and not wanting a job. I worked my ARSE off to make the money I have now. Im happy to say Im republican. Ive worked hard for my money.
DOW and NASDAQ has nothing to do with true economic growth and the majority of those monies are held by 5-10% of persons and organizations.
* only NEW GOODS and SERVICES count towards the GDP. the US economy stalled when we stopped making things and shuffling money around instead, GE is a perfect example of this. the GOP solution of opening up credit markets and creating false prosperity has helped the US middle class spend it's way into debt it can never pay off.
to the middle class the ONLY thing that matters is the % of Disposable Income Saved. it is not how much money you make but how much of that money is left after typical expenses. when you compare that number to the rising trends of consumer spending and debt to keep up with the rising costs of goods and services wages simply do not pay enough and accruing debt is the only option for many. since 1970 the % of disposable income saved has decreased while spending and debt have increased this is not even debatable.
so maybe you need to go back and learn the basics or did Fox News not tell you these things?
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15% of the population controls 90% of the wealth yet only pay 60% of the tax revenue. That means the other 10%, you and I, are paying a disproportionately higher amount in taxes. But if that's okay with you....
30% is a dream to me...
my schooling is paid for and I have a good job. not saying bush is responsible for that, but it happened under his watch.
in the 10 years of vietnam we lost nearly 60k men and left the country to those we were fighting.
in the war bush "started"
you really want to complain about bush's spending when the guy you are supporting has made bush look like a scrooge?
We have taken over two countries? Which two would those be? Less than 7000 dead soldiers but how many are permanently disabled that would have otherwise died with Vietnam era medical technology and practices? The number of casualties would be much higher.
The bailouts began with Bush. An easy and convenient fact to forget.
Brandibeth
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30% is a rough estimate. Depends on which job we are talking about. My fiance' is a dent guy, so they make hella money and hella money gets taken away. Then the repo business, good money, but insurance is really high....And I keep 3 jobs insurance, high end clothings store (i dont own it), and bookeeping. I just sux that I get to work 80 hour weeks while others, including my family sit at home, sell pot and make money of the government of which I had to give. There are alot of people who are poor by choice and it really stinks!!!
An e-mail i got,
Remember January 3rd, 2007
I don't understand WHY the people running for office don't say this in their ads!!!
The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009 it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress. The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress
At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
Thank Congress for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 46% Unemployment to this CRISIS by dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fiasco's!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001, because it was financially risky for the U.S. economy, but no one was listening).
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?
OBAMA.
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie???
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress.
So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!" Bush may have been in the car, but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving. Set the record straight on Bush!
So, as you listen to all the commercials and media from the Democrats who are now distancing themselves from their voting record and their party, remember how they didn't listen to you when you said you didn't want all the bailouts, you didn't want the health care bill, you didn't want cap and trade, you didn't want them to continue spending money we don't have.
I'm not forgetting their complicity in getting us into this mess, and I'll be marking my vote accordingly!
"It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what they know isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
Remember January 3rd, 2007
I don't understand WHY the people running for office don't say this in their ads!!!
The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009 it was actually January 3rd 2007 the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, the start of the 110th Congress. The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:
January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress
At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
Thank Congress for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 46% Unemployment to this CRISIS by dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fiasco's!
(BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001, because it was financially risky for the U.S. economy, but no one was listening).
And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?
OBAMA.
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie???
OBAMA and the Democrat Congress.
So when someone tries to blame Bush...
REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!" Bush may have been in the car, but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving. Set the record straight on Bush!
So, as you listen to all the commercials and media from the Democrats who are now distancing themselves from their voting record and their party, remember how they didn't listen to you when you said you didn't want all the bailouts, you didn't want the health care bill, you didn't want cap and trade, you didn't want them to continue spending money we don't have.
I'm not forgetting their complicity in getting us into this mess, and I'll be marking my vote accordingly!
"It's not that liberals aren't smart, it's just that so much of what they know isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
Fuck conservatives, it's folks like them that held Prop 19 back....I know more republicans who have had DUI's or who drive drunk regularly and they have issues with marijuana.....besides that aren't they always worried about fiscal issues, the tax revenue would have helped so much and they had to go and let their morals get in the way....thought I suspect a few tokers probably voted against it not wanting to pay taxes for something they use everyday anyhow.....
No, I want to know what you think the lower and middle class gains with Repulicans in office. I already know how the upper class prosper. But I cannot figure out why a middle class person like yourself thinks they will be better off with Republicans running the country.
both parties spend like there is no tomorrow. I just like what the republicans choose to spend it on more than the democrats.
as conservative as I am I probably would have voted in favor of it. then again its california. a state i dont reside in and i don't smoke so it still wouldn't have effected me directly
How about only giving it to them if they don't ship their companies overseas.
Brandibeth
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Reddog if I could kiss you I would!!!
do you mean 3 different medical insurance coverages?
There are rare breeds, one of my dope suppliers is conservative leaning, I just had a discussion with him about gays in the military he was like "Ok these fucking liberals think it's cool, send 12 yr old little Johnny to summer camp next year let him bivouac with some flaming homo counselors in a tiny tent for a few months and see if he doesn't come home crying about getting his biv whacked" I agree to an extent that it should remain don't ask don't tell...I knew some of the guys on my ship were gay but they weren't flaming about it and kept to themselves and weren't total meat gazers....He also is glad they didn't pass Prop 19 because he knows guys like him and me can handle our shit, he likes that the only folks who normally get busted are imbeciles who can't handle or who are drinking and doing other stuff to just get out of their minds and end up doing stupid shit, so we disagree on that.....
Brandibeth
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It says I have to spread my love around before I rep you again. I didnt wear my skirt today, so kinda been hard. lol
Brandibeth
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no, I have 3 jobs..
One in insurance, two in a clothing store and the other bookeeping.
And of thoe two, I do have insurance coverage.
look at why they are doing it. we have a corporate tax rate here in the states thats like 35%. we are forcing companies to leave. lower that tax rate and the incentives to stay keep them here. If you owned a company and you could save your company SIGNIFICANT amounts of money to head quarter overseas you would do it. our government is hostile to corporations and therefore hostile to economic growth.
lol at quoting an idiot like Reagan...I love it when people talk about the Dems and Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.
GOP sponsored deregulation in the 80's and the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act by Republicans Phill Gram and Jim Leach allowed certain banks to become to big to fail you might want to check and see who their biggest campaign contributors where...
Regardless of the legislation passed by the Dems in the 90's to open up housing to the poor, etc. ultimately the loan terms were decided upon by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, nothing at all to do with the Democrats. Only a freaking moron would sell somebody a house when they can't come up with the down-payment! the fact that they can't come up with the 20% down-payment tells you that they don't have the skills to save the monies.
But for the most part the lack of regulation and over-site on Wall Street allowed these banks to sell these toxic loans and assets with no risks. The US taxpayers were set up and the people running those banks knew it and constant GOP sponsored deregulation of banking allowed it to happen.
No it's our fault for continuing to buy from these companies who turn traitor to their own country, they aren't doing it just for tax cuts...they are going for cheap labor and not having to pay for health insurance, not to mention tax incentives in the countries they are moving to..... And then they rub it in our face by saying shit like "Our tech support will be open on Christmas day!" Of course it will, not many Indians celebrate christian holidays....
