No PWO protein/carbs? You can add 400-500+ cals there.
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the raisins man, thats about 50g of sugar, but alkaline which is important in this diet. Balancing out the high acidity of a normal diet with high-nutrient alkaline foods.
I dont have much time before dinner, so the shake would be a waste. Id be better off having a milk/whey/EVOO shake in the fridge to drink during the night
I dont have much time before dinner, so the shake would be a waste. Id be better off having a milk/whey/EVOO shake in the fridge to drink during the night
so after 3 weeks it looks like the tren is starting to kick in. Sides are ok so far, but its early days. The good thing is I am sleeping most nights, go to sleep holding a little water but sweat my ass off and wake up lean and vascular. Defiantely short of breath when I have to walk somewhere, and sometimes wake up with breathlessness as well. Might invest in a asthma inhailer.
Weight hover around 218-220lbs. Still eating pretty clean. Strength is increasing a little, not a lot. Im not looking to break records, just keep it all within the 6-8 rep range with good form. Damn mindful of injuries.
Some pics for a cycle starter. Note the side shots, not even a week apart . . .starting to look a little Geareded and freaky. Quads are sweeping nicely too.
Pinning 0.75ml of tren twice a week is a pain in the ass to measure . . thinking of upping the dose to 1.0ml for convenience sake
. .will give it another week or two to see how to sides pan out.
Gears!
Weight hover around 218-220lbs. Still eating pretty clean. Strength is increasing a little, not a lot. Im not looking to break records, just keep it all within the 6-8 rep range with good form. Damn mindful of injuries.
Some pics for a cycle starter. Note the side shots, not even a week apart . . .starting to look a little Geareded and freaky. Quads are sweeping nicely too.
Pinning 0.75ml of tren twice a week is a pain in the ass to measure . . thinking of upping the dose to 1.0ml for convenience sake
. .will give it another week or two to see how to sides pan out.Gears!
If insomnia becomes an issue you may try melatonin at 3mg daily before bedtime.so after 3 weeks it looks like the tren is starting to kick in. Sides are ok so far, but its early days. The good thing is I am sleeping most nights, go to sleep holding a little water but sweat my ass off and wake up lean and vascular. Defiantely short of breath when I have to walk somewhere, and sometimes wake up with breathlessness as well. Might invest in a asthma inhailer.
Weight hover around 218-220lbs. Still eating pretty clean. Strength is increasing a little, not a lot. Im not looking to break records, just keep it all within the 6-8 rep range with good form. Damn mindful of injuries.
Some pics for a cycle starter. Note the side shots, not even a week apart . . .starting to look a little Geareded and freaky. Quads are sweeping nicely too.
Pinning 0.75ml of tren twice a week is a pain in the ass to measure . . thinking of upping the dose to 1.0ml for convenience sake
Gears!
Glad you are mindful of injuries. I felt like a bulldozer in the gym yesterday and I kept thinking I cannot increase the weight too fast. I ended up in the 10-15 rep range on my final sets but at least I didn't aggrevate any injuries.
You can use an insulin pin with the tren. Pin subq OR in a very lean area on your body. Keep volume under 1ml when doing this.
Pics look good brother.
Quads look good. Keep it up!
LOL! I think you are being sarcastic...=)really Heavy? What are the benefits of pinning tren this way?
My post was in referrence to using smaller quantities but there are other benefits.
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thinking of ( when am gonna do like ur cycle 
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it seems great dude .. keep it up
can u guys have a look at my second cycle .. really need ur opinions ..
i am not able to link it here ..
thread / my second cycle with no experince
cheers ..
)it seems great dude .. keep it up
can u guys have a look at my second cycle .. really need ur opinions ..
i am not able to link it here ..
thread / my second cycle with no experince
cheers ..
no sarcasm intended! Ive never heard of using a slin pin . . would have thought the oil is too viscous to pin . . and sub-Q?
I'm always willing to experiment!
STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE INJECTIONSno sarcasm intended! Ive never heard of using a slin pin . . would have thought the oil is too viscous to pin . . and sub-Q?
I'm always willing to experiment!
M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous (SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however, its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving 10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for 1 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL 200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration is not officially approved by Health Canada. T levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection in week 6 and 8.
At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels were measured however; the week 12 data are still being collected.
Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit 0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l (p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1 (27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with no adverse effects.
Conclusions: A once-week SC injection of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further evaluation.
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Here is another study.
Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report.
Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D.
Department of Medicine, College of Medicine & Health Sciences, Sultan Qaboos University, Muscat, Oman. alfutaisi@squ.edu.om
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients.
METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study. Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe.
RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported.
CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.
PMID: 17143361 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/104521-subcutaneous-testosterone-injections.html
Thanks Heavy. I remember now that thread - didnt link in my mind with tren.. I might give it a go as a shallower IM shot like I use VitB12 . . heat the oil to lower the viscosity.
Yeah, I run the vial under screaming hot water for a minute and it loads in a 29g slin pin no problem. It makes smaller more frequent shots easier to measure.
smaggy
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jeebus. what's your training like. most shy away from such high doses. at least the people that post their shit.
what? No, I don't workout 
screw the reports. id still be a scarrred to go sub q. 
go forth brave gear jerk.
go forth brave gear jerk.
If your going to do slin pin.
back load it.
The only place i can do it however is thigh and chest.
Delts are a little tricky as the plunger is so far out.
Depending on the dosage thow.
back load it.
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The only place i can do it however is thigh and chest.
Delts are a little tricky as the plunger is so far out.
Depending on the dosage thow.
That guy in the video is Ulter. He is a long time vet on the boards. Very bright guy. He is demonstrating the "Ulter slin pin method" He shoots IM.
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NiagaraBalls
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So what was the advantage to slin pinning sun-q aside from more accurate dosing?
NiagaraBalls
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Bump for the slin pin advantages.
quick update. Weight 220lb dry (+10lbs)
Going into week 6, week 7 is when the test doses start to pyramid skywards
Haven't really had an adverse sides from the tren. Some night sweats, weird dreams, occassional insomnia, breathlessness and definately alpha-aggression but no-way as bad as expected. Bumped the dosage up to 400mg/wk, that makes the measuring a little easier
Strength increases have been noticable but not ground-breaking. My last chest/bi's was pretty impressive with a new PR on incl DBs . . could have gone heavier but chose a couple of extra forced reps instead. My bag of tricks will also include negatives and pre-exhaust supersets down the track.
Been a good rebound from a hard clean cut to a clean bulk. The tren has kept me lean and hungry, if not slightly leaner. Have kept the diet clean paleo for the most part, more fattier meat, milk and handfulls of nuts and seeds have helped boost the cal count. Cheat meals - desert and ice-cream twice a week, but always pWO.
Going fwd, Id like to stay on the paleo- diet, but the carbs may not be enough. Maybe bi-weekly carb loads may be in order if weight starts stagnating.
Going into week 6, week 7 is when the test doses start to pyramid skywards
Haven't really had an adverse sides from the tren. Some night sweats, weird dreams, occassional insomnia, breathlessness and definately alpha-aggression but no-way as bad as expected. Bumped the dosage up to 400mg/wk, that makes the measuring a little easier
Strength increases have been noticable but not ground-breaking. My last chest/bi's was pretty impressive with a new PR on incl DBs . . could have gone heavier but chose a couple of extra forced reps instead. My bag of tricks will also include negatives and pre-exhaust supersets down the track.
Been a good rebound from a hard clean cut to a clean bulk. The tren has kept me lean and hungry, if not slightly leaner. Have kept the diet clean paleo for the most part, more fattier meat, milk and handfulls of nuts and seeds have helped boost the cal count. Cheat meals - desert and ice-cream twice a week, but always pWO.
Going fwd, Id like to stay on the paleo- diet, but the carbs may not be enough. Maybe bi-weekly carb loads may be in order if weight starts stagnating.
up 10 lbs in 6 weeks? Not bad. Double your protein and add 6-9 tablespoons of EVOO a day and you'll put on at least another 20 lbs in 6 more weeks.
up 10 lbs in 6 weeks? Not bad. Double your protein and add 6-9 tablespoons of EVOO a day and you'll put on at least another 20 lbs in 6 more weeks.
Thats what Im thinking, but leaning more towards flaxseed oil for the omega-3's
What are your thoughts on the carbs situation? Do you think there are restrictions to growth by running the paleo-diet?
Ive just felt so much damn better since I eliminated all grains from the diet.
Need you even ask? Fuck yes! Like i said, paleo was great for the cutter. but its too restrictive. Do an all out dirty bulk and gain 30 lbs. then cut w/paleo later. I mean, youre gonna run all that gear and eat like a pansy? Its a Waste imo.
all too true . . I had the desire to experiment . . carbs on!
