SloppyJ's 1st Cycle.

[SloppyJ]

That's fine. I have a M/Th schedule and I've pinned on W instead of Th twice already. It shouldn't be an issue with the long esters. Just make sure you take the dbol as scheduled bc it has a short half life.

Shit I can pop pills all day. It's the needle thing that gets me

 

[The Prototype]

I wouldn't sweat being sore. Test E really doesn't hurt. You will be fine. First one you'll be a little sore but you'll still be able to work out or do cardio with no prob. Now Sust is a different story. That put me out for a week. Probably b/c of the prop in it.

 

[hackskii]

12 hours is nothing, even a day is nothing, in fact when I do cycles of 500mg test, I bang them all in one go, the stable blood level things is just BS.

 

[SloppyJ]

Just hit the quad. Right in the middle outside. The burn on the initial push was really bad. I'm not sure what from but it wasn't very cool. I let a drop of gear run down the pin, is this what caused it?

Other than that, I'd venture to say the post injection pain is little to non-existent.

Taking the entire day off from the gym really kind of sucked but I'm feeling good and I'm excited to go hit my back tomorrow. Hopefully my strength will be up. I will let yall know.

 

[The Prototype]

Yes you should let a few drops fall down the pin then insert. It helps lubricate the pin and makes it easier to push the pin in. Nice job on the pin. It's a lot easier than the glute huh? I'll never go back to glute pins unless I have to.

 

[SloppyJ]

Yes you should let a few drops fall down the pin then insert. It helps lubricate the pin and makes it easier to push the pin in. Nice job on the pin. It's a lot easier than the glute huh? I'll never go back to glute pins unless I have to.

Well I haven't done a glute shot by myself yet. So this was the first time pinning myself. I had to get my mind right before hand and relax a little. But overall it wasn't bad.

Is it bad that I'm already looking forward to the next one?

It's funny to me. We're on here on a friday night when everyone else is out getting fucked up. I'm sitting here with a protein shake thinking about my workout tomorrow.

 

[SloppyJ]

Okay so I'm quite reluctant to post progress pics on here because A. I'm a fatass. B. I'm no where near as big as many people on the board. But, however I feel like there are people out there just like me that this will benifit.

So without further ado, here are the pics from the begining of week 2. Be easy on me!

 

[The Prototype]

Looks good bro. You'll be jacked in 4-6 weeks. It takes a lot of balls to post your pics on here unless you look like mr fantastico or buzzard. Looking forward to seeing the progress. I wish I took some before pics but the pic I took was in week 4 so it wasn't a huge difference anyways.

 

[SloppyJ]

Looks good bro. You'll be jacked in 4-6 weeks. It takes a lot of balls to post your pics on here unless you look like mr fantastico or buzzard. Looking forward to seeing the progress. I wish I took some before pics but the pic I took was in week 4 so it wasn't a huge difference anyways.

Thanks man. You're right it does take some nuts to post some pics. I just said screw it. If someone says something I don't really give a fuck.

 

[SloppyJ]

Strength is going up. I got a few extra reps on my deadlift. Close grip pulldowns were easier. Shrugs went up. And I grabbed some 50's to curl just for the hell of it and to my disbelief I got 3 sets of 12.

With all of this said. I had to lay on a bench after my deadlifts. My back was hurting bad. I tried to do some rows and couldn't stand it, I had to take a break. So I guess the back pump thing is legit with dbol. I'm going to keep working out to see if the back pump thing keeps showing itself. If it does I plan to take some taurine and potassium similar to my clen dosage of 4g T and 200mg P.

 

[Creatineamonster]

Hey man I am no where near using anything but I really like learning about this stuff just wanted to thank you for being so open and sharing your "hypothetical" journey it is really cool to see how this is progressing good luck and keep up the hard work can't wait to see the final reasults.

 

[hackskii]

Yah, nice openess to your use and journal.
I can see some flaws in training, and will comment once I get more distance with your journal.

I also would like to look at your diet as well, but in time, not now, when you have time boss.

How old are you by the way and how long have you been training?

What are your favorite exercises?
What are your least favorite exercises?

Just askin some questions for my benefit to get more understanding.

What rep ranges do you like and how many times do you do each body part?

Sorry for all the questions.

 

[SloppyJ]

Yah, nice openess to your use and journal.
I can see some flaws in training, and will comment once I get more distance with your journal.

I also would like to look at your diet as well, but in time, not now, when you have time boss.

How old are you by the way and how long have you been training?

What are your favorite exercises?
What are your least favorite exercises?

Just askin some questions for my benefit to get more understanding.

What rep ranges do you like and how many times do you do each body part?

Sorry for all the questions.

Please critique the fuck out of me. I'm here to learn and grow. And you guys are welcome. Like I said I just want to help others through my experience. Yes, correct, this is all "hypothetical" what-if's.....

Diet:

645am: 3 whole "jumbo" eggs, two pieces of ham chopped up in the eggs, 1 piece whole grain toast w/ a little butter, + Protein shake= 2 scoops syntha 6, 1/2cup oats, Low fat yougurt, and fruit.

10am: 1 Grilled Chicken Breast or steak, Brown rice

1130am: Preworkout drink with some kind of fruit. Orange, Banana.....

12pm: Workout

115pm: Two scoops unflavored protein isolate, 12oz Orange Juice, Grilled Chicken breast/steak, brown rice

3:30: Protein Bar or PB&J on Wheat.

6:30: Lean meat, Veggies (I try to keep carbs low at night.)

9pm: Casein Protein with peanut butter

Honestly I try to stick to my diet as much as possible. The weekends are the hardest because I would like to sleep in. I shoot for atleast a gallon of water per day also.

Im in my early 20's and I trained all the way through school playing football. I continued to workout in College which I'm still in. I've been training for around 9yrs. There have been breaks in there for a few months but really seriously for the past 3.


Fav exercises: Deadlifts, Squat, Tricep overhead DB extensions, Dips, Leg Press, DB Curls... I have a lot.

Least Favorite Exercises: Incline bench, Pullups, I don't like these probably because I'm weak on them.

For years I stuck with the ol' 3x10 kind of pussy shit not pushing myself. About 6 months ago I started doing pryamid 10-8-6 increasing weight as I go. I've been sticking to this mostly. Sometimes I do a light 12rep set to warm up and what not. And on bi's I normally just dominate them with all kinds of stuff. Heavy weight low rep, Light weight high rep, then I'll run the rack at the end. I stick to the pryamid for the heavier days like legs and back.

Previously I mentioned I workout on my lunch break so I have a limited amount of time to get in and get out. So while school is out I've been in the gym 7x a week. Back, Bi's, Chest, Tri's, Legs, Shoulders and then sunday I normally only do cardio and abs. Maybe forearms. I also try to throw some cardio in on saturday. These are the only days I can spend however long I want in the gym.

I guess since I'm home and don't have shit else to do with my best friend out of town I'll type out my normal routine.

Chest:
Flat Bench Barbell: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
Incline or Decline: " " "
Cable Cross Overs: 1x10 1x8 1x8 ( I keep the reps high here cause heavy weight hurts my shoulder for some reason. I'm looking at my form closely)
DB Press: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
Pullovers: 1x12, 1x10, 1x8

Tri's:
Overhead DB Extension: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
Close Grip Bench: " " "
Rope push downs: " " "
V bar or Straight bar push downs: " " "
Non-weighted Dips to burnout: 3x10

Back:
Deads: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
DB Rows: " " "
Closegrip Lat Pulldown: " " "
I call them cable "X's": 3x10
Seated Rows: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
Straigt Arm Lat Pushdown: " " "
Back Extensions (Dbol sucks!) : 3x10

Bi's:
Dumbells Curls: 2 warmup sets then about 4x10
Preacher Curls: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
Reverse Barbell curls: " " "
Standing High cable curls: 3x10
Then I just grab dumbells and go to town til I get tired. Then run the rack.
If i'm feeling froggy I might do some negatives on the curl machine.

Shoulders:
Seated DB Press: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
Simth machine Press: " " "
Rear Delt on Fly machine: 1x10, 1x8, 1x8
Front DB Raises: 3x10-12
Cable Side raises from low to high across body: 3x10
Then a shoulder machine to burn out: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6, 1 to failure

Legs:
Squats: Light warmup then 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
Leg press: " " " ( I normally do about 10reps of calves after each set)
Quad Extensions: " " "
Calf Raises: 3x12 I do them with a barbell like squats and on two other machines. so that might be too much.
Hamstrings: 1x10, 1x8, 1x6
I think I'm going to start doing DB Lunges also.



Wow this took a while to type. I know someone is going to disect the shit out of my routine and tell me how shitty it is. So let's hear it boys.

What are your thoughts?

 

[bknoxx]

looks pretty good im just starting leg's but mines is pretty close to ur routine

 

[DarkHorse]

I personally would not spend a whole training session on bi’s and then another session on tri’s. If you focus on compound exercises you will not need to spend so much time on your arms. I love compound exercises because your arms still get a workout. You can still hit your arms hard but I would not spend a whole training session doing so. Have you tried a 5x5 routine??

 

[SloppyJ]

I personally would not spend a whole training session on bi???s and then another session on tri???s. If you focus on compound exercises you will not need to spend so much time on your arms. I love compound exercises because your arms still get a workout. You can still hit your arms hard but I would not spend a whole training session doing so. Have you tried a 5x5 routine??

Nope. And yes I have thought about this. I just like the way my arms feel after I beat the shit out of them.

Do you have a link to the 5x5?

 

[DarkHorse]

Check this link out, it has a couple good articles.... Bodybuilding.com - What Is The Best 5x5 Workout That Will Produce Amazing Muscle Gain? - Workout Of The Week

5x5 works great for putting on mass and size. Since you are geared up you'll also lose some body fat. Also, like I said, I like compound exercises that target large muscle groups..... like back(you work your posterior delts and bi's as well), legs, chest(you work your shoulders and tri's as well). When you hit those large muscle groups your arms will come along with them. I also usually hit my shoulders and arms later in the week once I have completed/focused on those large muscle groups.

 

[SloppyJ]

Check this link out, it has a couple good articles.... Bodybuilding.com - What Is The Best 5x5 Workout That Will Produce Amazing Muscle Gain? - Workout Of The Week

5x5 works great for putting on mass and size. Since you are geared up you'll also loose some body fat. Also, like I said, I like compound exercises that target large muscle groups..... like back, legs, chest. When you hit those large muscle groups your arms will come along with them. I also usually hit my shoulders and arms later in the week once I have completed/focused on those large muscle groups.

Thanks for the link. What compound exercises am I missing?


Is it me or does that BB.com 5x5 look pretty pussy? I understand the concept I just don't like how those two douchers laid out the workouts.

 

[DarkHorse]

You already have the needed compound exercises, I would just add more sets and hit them harder. I know you don't like pull-ups and chin-ups, but those are a good judge of strength and work many muscles at one time.

 

[DarkHorse]

Thanks for the link. What compound exercises am I missing?


Is it me or does that BB.com 5x5 look pretty pussy? I understand the concept I just don't like how those two douchers laid out the workouts.

Yeah I don't like the way they have the routine set up either, but it explains doing five sets with five reps a piece. You can stick to your routine if you want, just add more sets with heavier weights. When I'm geared up, the most enjoyable routine I like comes from Frank Zane. Some days you will need to spend a good quality ammount of time in the gym. Since you're greared up, you recover a lot faster, that's why I like doing my chest and back on day one, shoulder and arms the next day, legs and abs the following day, and then a day of rest(If you need another day off take it, listen to your body)..... Then repeat. I enjoy that routine the most and I have made excellent gains with it. As you can see, on day one I really focuses on those compound exercises. Then the next day, I really tear down what is left of my shoulders and arms.

 

[Creatineamonster]

I am still very knew and could be way out in left field here but would,nt it be wise to stick with what he has been doing till his cycle is over. Then make changes to the routine. I Understand there are always things to change but I find it can sometimes screw with you ability to get the intensity and confindence needed to max out a workout which I am assuming is pretty damn important in order to get all you can out of the Gear. Again this may be a dumb newb statement/question but I am a dumb newb lol

 

[SloppyJ]

I am still very knew and could be way out in left field here but would,nt it be wise to stick with what he has been doing till his cycle is over. Then make changes to the routine. I Understand there are always things to change but I find it can sometimes screw with you ability to get the intensity and confindence needed to max out a workout which I am assuming is pretty damn important in order to get all you can out of the Gear. Again this may be a dumb newb statement/question but I am a dumb newb lol

Man I'm thinking the same thing. I "know" these workouts really well. I will be able to see what I'm getting stronger at and what I need to do better. I'm thinking about sticking to this through PCT then maybe switching to something else.

 

[SloppyJ]

Update.


I can tell I'm gaining mass for sure. Today I had to stack a shitton (Yes, a shit ton) of wood. I always wear a red flanel shirt for such occasions. It makes me feel like a lumberjack. Well I reached down to get a log and ripped my shirt by my lat. I got pissed and then I smiled.

Today was possibly the best workout I've ever had. I lifted so much more weight it was crazy. I went to do cardio and I checked the schedule for the next week. They are closed 3 days so I decided to get some Tricep work done after my cardio.

I knew I was going to go a little heavier but I was repping a 110DB for overhead tricep press. I FINALLY got to rep 225 on close grip bench. And I had to add a 45 plate to the stack for pushdowns. It was a fucking amazing afternoon, people were staring. And to top it off my boy that works the desk ordered lunch and bought me some crab.

Jesus I can't wait for the test to kick in.

 

[theCaptn']

Looks good bro. You'll be jacked in 4-6 weeks. It takes a lot of balls to post your pics on here unless you look like mr fantastico or buzzard. .

. . on the road to jerkedness mate

 

[The Prototype]

Repping 225 on the close grip bench is impressive. I just started doing close grip. I'm only repping 135 lbs but I've been focusing on form more than anything.

 

[SloppyJ]

Repping 225 on the close grip bench is impressive. I just started doing close grip. I'm only repping 135 lbs but I've been focusing on form more than anything.

Thanks Ripped. When I first started doing close grips seriously about 3 months ago I would do 135 for three sets of 10 focusing on form. I slowly increased weight from there. Yesterday something came over me. I've never been able to rep with 2 45's on and that's one of my goals deep down. I just made it happen though. I'd like to thank protein shakes and Dbol for this ocasion.

Tri's are my strongest body part though. I've always had big legs too.



And Captn',

Don't know if that's for me or ripped but thanks either way.

 

[The Prototype]

I heard the close grip is great for increasing bench so I started doing them. I can't believe after almost ten years of lifting I never did close grip. I figured flat bench was so similar and I had so many tri exercises in my routine, that I would just skip it. But my bench shot up the week after I did my first routine with close grip. Prob wasn't just the close grip but I started doing low reps so that helped, plus I'm sure the Test had a lot to do with it lol. Keep up the good work bro. Looks like you're making progress already. It's like watching your kid grow up, well that's if I had kids lol.

 

[hackskii]

Just a couple of things that kind of jump out at me.
Me personally that looks like a lot of volume of exercises, and 7 days a week is a bit much as recovery takes time and you don’t look like you are giving yourself enough time to recover.

I would drop the isolation movements and focus on your compound exercises (multi-joint exercises), this will allow you to do less volume yet hit the same amount of muscles.

Perhaps try to hit glute hamstring tie in about twice a week like dead lifts and then good mornings on another day like legs.
The daddy of them all the squat, you are doing only 3 sets of and that is ok providing the intensity is there.
Leg extensions and leg press are secondary and probably not needed if the stimulation from the squat is there and the rep range is full.
So if your legs just don’t feel like you hit them then you can add in the leg presses to finish off the legs.
The extensions are just there for separation and probably should be done slow, strict and squeezing.

I notice you don’t have enough good fats in your diet, perhaps you can add some fish oils for excessive inflammation, aid in insulin sensitivity and these are just a great idea anyway for good health.

I do hamstrings on back day when I do dead lifts, myself and train one day then next day cardio or time off.

The whole game for training is simple, stimulate, then recover.
If you over stimulate then you need more time for recovery.
Consider it like this, your training is like digging a hole, the recovery is like filling the hole, the deeper you dig, the longer it takes to fill said hole.

Or another way to look at it is like taking sand and rubbing your hands together till you get raw hands.
What happens?
A callous forms on the hand.
Now if you kept doing that every day the callous would never grow as you have cut into the recovery by not letting your hands heal, not to mention your hands would never grow the callous as the stimulation exceeds the recovery.

A couple of things more as I see them, if you took more time, and intensity on the compound exercises and less energy on the isolation exercises, you would cut less into recovery and allow yourself to gain more gains on the exercises that count the most.
You get the big numbers on all the basic lifts, you will grow period.

 

[SloppyJ]

Thanks for taking the time to write that Hackskii. I kind of realized that today. My gym is closed for 3 days this week so I'm forced to get it all in, in 4 days. Today I did Legs and Shoulders. I concentrated on Squats and military press. I also did leg press, quad extensions, hamstrings and front raises. Overall I kept it pretty simple and went heavy.

Squat went 135x12, 225x10, 295x6
I finally got to 630 on the leg press for 6 reps.
Military press felt weak today. Although I did 3 sets of 8 with 40lb DB's for front raises.

As for the fats.... I take 3 fish oil caps per day. I eat a lot of meat. I guess I could throw some olive oil into my morning shake. It's hard for me man. I've always had to cut. Doing this high calorie stuff just feels so wrong to me but it's sooo right haha.

 

[Life]

I think leg press is the most misused piece of equipment in any gym. I personally have never gotten much out of it even at 700lb+ executed correctly. I think you'd be better off adding front squats or replacing leg press with lunges. Lunges are a very under rated mass builder and IMO very integral to squat development.