Sustanon + Winstrol cycle first timer

[spic]

hey, so ive been doing alot of research and i want to get the approval of you guys before i purchase it here it goes

age: 24
185 lbs
working out 4 years

1-10 ... sustanon 250 (500 mg/ week) injections twice thurs morning/ sunday night
4-11 ... winstrol, 50 mg EOD
2 or 3 - 11 ... proviron 50 mg ED


not sure if i shud run hcg 2-11 weeks @ 250 iu E3D

... tell me what you guys think as for PCT

week 12-15 ... HCGs 7500, 5000, 5000 (i.u. per week)
13-16 ... nolva or Clomid (not sure which one or if both r needed was thinkin bout doing nolva to avoid side affects of Clomid) any ideas on the dosage?

 

[GFR]

Skip the winny, just run test for a first cycle.

No HCG during PCT, run it before.

HCG 4-12 250iu 2x a week.

I would run proviron from week one.

 

[spic]

Skip the winny, just run test for a first cycle.

No HCG during PCT, run it before.

HCG 4-12 250iu 2x a week.

I would run proviron from week one.

kk thanks for your input ill start with proviron, and i thought that winny would help keep the gains or does provirion mainly help with that?

 

[GFR]

You can not keep gains from:aspirin use or steroid use.

 

[D-Lats]

You can not keep gains from:aspirin use or steroid use.

What do you mean?

 

[GFR]

What do you mean?

Your head hurts so you take aspirin. A year later do you still think that pill fron 12 months ago will still help your hurting head?

 

[D-Lats]

No but the size and muscle you gain from gear should be mostly sustainable to a point providing you follow pct and eat and train right. Dont you think?

 

[GFR]

No but the size and muscle you gain from gear should be mostly sustainable to a point providing you follow pct and eat and train right. Dont you think?

ROFL, not a chance.

 

[D-Lats]

Dude laugh it up I have done lots of gear and continue to grow! If you lose everything you gain when you go off gear im sorry to hear that. Ive seen guys like you at the gym that look great while juicing but totally deflate when off. Shitty bro i feel for you oh well.

 

[GFR]

Dude laugh it up I have done lots of gear and continue to grow! If you lose everything you gain when you go off gear im sorry to hear that. Ive seen guys like you at the gym that look great while juicing but totally deflate when off. Shitty bro i feel for you oh well.

Lots....as in never stopping.


Here is an idea Einstein, take 5 years off and see what you have.


PS, post some pics, I want to see how great you look on cycle. After that go off cycle for 2 years then post more pics, It will be funny to see you down 30lbs of LBM.

I went from 167 to 195! I also started eating big and my body was primed to gain mass

ROFL...167lbs at 6' and you started drug use...Hahahaha

 

[D-Lats]

Look bro im not trying to fight with you! I am simply saying that you shouldnt lose everything you gain. I was off for 2 yrs before i started this current cycle and was at a decent 215 natural. When i was 167 i was 21 and had no clue what i was doing. there was no internet forums back then you learned what you could from old juicers at the gym and muscular development magazinee lol! So thats cool if you took 5 yrs off and lost tons of weight good for you but i think your statement is flawed. IMO

 

[GFR]

Look bro im not trying to fight with you! I am simply saying that you shouldnt lose everything you gain. I was off for 2 yrs before i started this current cycle and was at a decent 215 natural. When i was 167 i was 21 and had no clue what i was doing. there was no internet forums back then you learned what you could from old juicers at the gym and muscular development magazinee lol! So thats cool if you took 5 yrs off and lost tons of weight good for you but i think your statement is flawed. IMO

167lbs at 6 feet and you started drugs....wow that is just sad.

You have no idea what it is to build real muscle mass....167lbs...ROFL. All your gains are from drugs and 0 from hard natty training. No wonder the Feds made steroids illegal, thanks to twigs like you.

 

[D-Lats]

What do you know about the way i train dude natty bodybuilding sucks I dont want to look like a tnned marathon runner! You look like you weigh 170 now so keep takin yoour gnc creatine and giving half assed advice!

 

[spic]

so as for the cycle im about to do?? any comments of confirmations for this cycle. Please any input is really appreciated