Rashard Mendenhalls comments on Osama - WTF?

[bio-chem]

wow, you must either be the smartest person in the world or you came back from the dead, otherwise how the hell would you know? There is no man on this earth now or ever in history that knows anymore or any less what happens after we die nor whether god exists. my argument to say that god does not exist is going to be more powerful and factual than your argument as to why a god does exist. religion was created to control the masses, and damn it does a wonderful job, not to mention religion has killed more people in history than all wars combined, even to this day.

So because you haven't seen God it means others can't and haven't, therefore he doesn't exist?

Doesn't matter how smart I am. Doesn't prove or disprove God. didn't you read what I wrote? Or did you just not understand it?

Feel free to argue all day long that God doesn't exist. doesn't change anything other than you getting all worked up to argue something you know very little about.

 

[Arnold]

So because you haven't seen God it means others can't and haven't, therefore he doesn't exist?

Doesn't matter how smart I am. Doesn't prove or disprove God. didn't you read what I wrote? Or did you just not understand it?

Feel free to argue all day long that God doesn't exist. doesn't change anything other than you getting all worked up to argue something you know very little about.

yeah, that is basically what it means, sorry I don't buy into the 'special ones' that get to talk to god, that's a load of shit, if there were any real proof we would all be privy to this knowledge.

I don't have to disprove god, sorry the onus is on you to PROVE that god exists, would you believe me if I said Santa Claus is real and I can prove it?

I never get worked up, I just push the buttons of bible thumpers like you and enjoy the ride.

 

[BillHicksFan]

total rubbish. I was trained in science at a religious university and it has not in one way effected my education, my career, or my religious beliefs.

That's why they call it a "religious university."

religion and science are easily reconciled. they are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, they are exclusive and this is why there are religious universities as real science has no time for taking Christianity seriously. They once did however those days are now over due to the evidence. The rest of the scientific community thinks that Christianity is a joke and with good reason.
Like true science, a wide range of scientists gathered the evidence in order to discover how biology here on Earth works. Inevitibly this allows them to dismiss what is untrue based on the conclusion. As a result the fundamental core of Christianity has been exposed as pure fiction.

How much more evidence do you need to see in order to accept the facts of evolution? A monkey giving birth to a human? It's not gonna happen because that's not how evolution works.

 

[bio-chem]

yeah, that is basically what it means, sorry I don't buy into the 'special ones' that get to talk to god, that's a load of shit, if there were any real proof we would all be privy to this knowledge.

I don't have to disprove god, sorry the onus is on you to PROVE that god exists, would you believe me if I said Santa Claus is real and I can prove it?

I never get worked up, I just push the buttons of bible thumpers like you and enjoy the ride.

The onus is hardly on me. I'm not here to prove God to anybody. I could care less if you believe in God or not. Ultimately people need to find out for themselves. I recognized a long time ago where my circle of influence is and it is hardly those that I only come in contact with over an internet forum.

To call me a bible thumper is pure ignorance. I've been on this forum for years now and have never been a bible thumper.

Of course you get worked up prince. you can't wait to jump into a discussion and talk about how you believe God doesn't exist. You've had sand in your snatch for years over the whole God topic.

 

[Arnold]

The onus is hardly on me. I'm not here to prove God to anybody. I could care less if you believe in God or not. Ultimately people need to find out for themselves. I recognized a long time ago where my circle of influence is and it is hardly those that I only come in contact with over an internet forum.

To call me a bible thumper is pure ignorance. I've been on this forum for years now and have never been a bible thumper.

Of course you get worked up prince. you can't wait to jump into a discussion and talk about how you believe God doesn't exist. You've had sand in your snatch for years over the whole God topic.

then why do religious people knock on my door at least once per month trying to convince me to believe in Jesus?

I guess we have different definitions of the term bible thumper.

and your ignorance shows once again, I never once said that god does not exist, at least get your facts straight.

 

[bio-chem]

That's why they call it a "religious University."
Yes, they are exclusive and this is why there are religious Universities as real science has no time for taking Christianity seriously. They once did however those days are now over due to the evidence. The rest of the scientific community thinks that Christianity is a joke and with good reason.
Like true science, they gather the evidence and dismiss what is untrue based on their conclusion and as a result the fundamental core of Christianity has been exposed as pure fiction.

What more evidence do you need to see to accept evolution as fact? A monkey giving birth to a human? It's not gonna happen because that's not how evolution works.

WOW, you haven't read a thing DOMS or I have written in this entire thread have you? It's obvious you didn't think about this before you posted it. you should re-read what you type before you hit submit.

Like I said I am as qualified to participate in Sunday School as I am a laboratory. The scientific community you speak of accepts my BS degree from my religious university as well as or better than state run and non-religious universities. I'm confident my career has never been hindered, or has my education been seen as inferior due to the religious school I attended. In fact I know it has been advanced due to the fact that the reputation of my school is stellar in the scientific and business communities. To even think otherwise shows a total lack of understanding for the truth.

You speak of evolution. have you even read Darwin's book? The funny thing is how you speak of evolution as fact. Evolution is the best theory we have given the present evidence. I'm more than capable and happy to have a discussion on evolution. What's also interesting is that the theory of evolution has been in constant change since Darwin's scientifically ground breaking theory was first published in 1859. If you have read Darwin's book you would know it set us on a wonderful path of learning, but with now over 150 years of scientific learning since that time many of the things Darwin wrote about are factually untrue. Where will our human understanding be in another 150 years? what direction will out learning today take us? If you were to bring Darwin to our day he would hardly recognize what has become of his own theory.

 

[bio-chem]

and your ignorance shows once again, I never once said that god does not exist, at least get your facts straight.

my argument to say that god does not exist is going to be more powerful and factual than your argument........

 

[bio-chem]

then why do religious people knock on my door at least once per month trying to convince me to believe in Jesus?

I guess we have different definitions of the term bible thumper.

Maybe they knock on your door because they have found something good and they want to share it with others? just a thought.

My definition of a bible thumper is: a Christian, especially a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian, considered to be overly zealous in haranguing or censuring others.

While I am a Christian it would be hard pressed to call me a fundamentalist, or evangelical Christian. When have I harangued or tried to censure others? If I disagree with someones point of view I say so, but i don't censure others. If anyone has done censuring on this forum Prince you would have to be the main culprit.

 

[BillHicksFan]

WOW, you haven't read a thing DOMS or I have written in this entire thread have you? It's obvious you didn't think about this before you posted it. you should re-read what you type before you hit submit.

Like I said I am as qualified to participate in Sunday School as I am a laboratory. The scientific community you speak of accepts my BS degree from my religious university as well as or better than state run and non-religious universities. I'm confident my career has never been hindered, or has my education been seen as inferior due to the religious school I attended. In fact I know it has been advanced due to the fact that the reputation of my school is stellar in the scientific and business communities. To even think otherwise shows a total lack of understanding for the truth.

You speak of evolution. have you even read Darwin's book? The funny thing is how you speak of evolution as fact. Evolution is the best theory we have given the present evidence. I'm more than capable and happy to have a discussion on evolution. What's also interesting is that the theory of evolution has been in constant change since Darwin's scientifically ground breaking theory was first published in 1859. If you have read Darwin's book you would know it set us on a wonderful path of learning, but with now over 150 years of scientific learning since that time many of the things Darwin wrote about are factually untrue. Where will our human understanding be in another 150 years? what direction will out learning today take us? If you were to bring Darwin to our day he would hardly recognize what has become of his own theory.

Of course a religious University degree is recognized in the scientific fields, it's just Christianity that isn't recognized by the majority. If Christian universities were enrolling Christians only to send them out as atheist agnostics the institution would be shut down immediately.

You keep rambling about Darwin's doubts regarding his theory as if that gives you some kind of credibility. It doesn't. Darwin didn't doubt his theory, he simply kept an open mind to further his understanding as he didn't know anything of genetics or DNA.

Have you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins a Proffesor of Evolutionary Biology? Why use a 150 year old version of a theory as an example when we have an up to date version of the theory that only validates Darwin as being the brilliant mind who discovered how life evolved naturally?

You honestly think Darwin would not recognize his own theory? He would be blown away by the advancement of knowledge and no doubt be satisfied with his theory on an entirely new level. I wish he could come back to see what impact he has had on the scientific community and receive the recognition that he deserved back when this was a controversial topic to discuss.
He was a devout Christian before discovering the theory therefore I admire him for courageously seeking the truth despite having preconceived beliefs.

 

[soxmuscle]

ok, wise one. disprove God.

you really should stick to the sports forums. big people are talking here.

In my opinion, any thing you say and think is less credible because of your beliefs.

 

[soxmuscle]

then why do religious people knock on my door at least once per month trying to convince me to believe in Jesus?

I guess we have different definitions of the term bible thumper.

and your ignorance shows once again, I never once said that god does not exist, at least get your facts straight.

I can't tell you how many times I was given little Bible's on my way to and from class at college, only to burn them and urinate on them later that night.

I can't tell you how many times crazy people would set up shop in a highly trafficked courtyard shouting shenanigans at people, trying to press down their beliefs.

One of the times, I was still drunk from the night before, and I got into it with the crazy bitch. You should have seen her, I had her going.

"YOU ARE THE DEVIL!"

Haha... I laughed right in her face and ended up getting claps from all the students who saw.

Again, DOMS/bio-chem aren't stupid people. They're just hanging onto beliefs that were forced upon them since birth. It would be like me being told the Red Sox suck and that the Yankees are the right team to root for. It would go in one ear and out the other, and probably make me a little defensive in the process.

 

[soxmuscle]

My Grandmother gives like half of her remaining salary to the stupid fucking church, even more when you consider the money she gives to the priest whenever she sees him.

My Dad has cancer, and I was out there last weekend. She kept grilling me for not praying for my Father.

"How can you not be praying for your father to overcome cancer?"
"Well, Nan, because I put my faith in modern medicine and the doctors working on him, not some figment of your imagination."

I guarantee you if he is to die, she'll in some manner believe that it was me not praying that caused it.

She goes: "So I gave the Priest a $20 dollar bill to have Brian in his thoughts."

Why would this asshole pedophile thinking about my Dad benefit him?

It's so incredibly brain dead, it's impossible for me to fathom.

 

[soxmuscle]

He was a devout Christian before discovering the theory therefore I admire him for courageously seeking the truth despite having preconceived beliefs.

This is how all people should be.

Think for your fucking self!

I was forced into Catholicism and eventually was able to break free from this bullshit thanks to the library at my fingertips we call the internet.

 

[DOMS]

Think for your fucking self!

"So long as it's something I don't disagree with!"

 

[soxmuscle]

"So long as it's something I don't disagree with!"

If that's the message I'm conveying, then I haven't done a good job.

I would still label myself as a Catholic because I go to Church on Christmas, Easter, etc.

But I don't see a need for it in my life on a daily basis. And given my observations of others, like my Grandmother, for instance, have concluded that while you can certainly take things away from religion, believing so wholeheartedly in it is the reason we have people like Osama Bin Laden and to a lesser extent, you.

My ex claimed one night that she would be able to forgive the hypothetical murderer of her sister because she believes in forgiveness and that that's what God would want of her.

If somebody murdered my brother, not only would I not forgive, I would pay prisoners inside the prison to ream his asshole and mouth to the point of death.

I can forgive somebody for spilling a glass of milk on my carpet. In fact, I don't sweat the small stuff and don't care about shit like that. But if we're talking the death of family or friends, to me, forgiveness is laughable.

As has been said in this thread, you're two smart people. I just can't fathom how educated people like yourselves can be so incredibly shortsighted/close-minded in this instance.

 

[soxmuscle]

Maybe they knock on your door because they have found something good and they want to share it with others? just a thought.

Imagine going to somebody's door to let them know you found something good.

Haha.

Next time I find money on the street, I'm going to bother every person on the block by knocking on their door and informing them that I found a dollar bill in the street.

 

[DOMS]

But I don't see a need for it in my life on a daily basis. And given my observations of others, like my Grandmother, for instance, have concluded that while you can certainly take things away from religion, believing so wholeheartedly in it is the reason we have people like Osama Bin Laden and to a lesser extent, you.

So, what precisely has my belief in religion produced about me that you're referring to? Keep in mind that I'm not looking for a mealy-mouthed response. I'm looking for specifics.

As has been said in this thread, you're two smart people. I just can't fathom how educated people like yourselves can be so incredibly shortsighted/close-minded in this instance.

Short-sighted because I don't have your world-view? So if I chose to go with your belief that there is no god, then I'd be an open minded person? Really?

 

[Arnold]

I am going door to door to let people know the benefits of using testosterone, its my calling to let people know I have found something good!

 

[Arnold]

I was just making the point that its much easier to argue there is no god, I am not saying I don't believe in a higher power, I just don't believe in any religions, nor do I think ay human alive today or ever in history knows any more about god or life after death.

 

[DOMS]

I am going door to door to let people know the benefits of using testosterone, its my calling to let people know I have found something good!

Prince: Good day, sir. I've come to bring you The Good News.
Some guy (SG): Thanks, but I'm Presbyterian and have already accepted Jesus as my savior.
Prince: But have you accepted testosterone into your life?
SG: What?
Prince: Why sir, if you accept it into your life, and your glutes, you can enjoy the happiness that only 12% body fat and a 400 squat can give.
SG: Please, come in, I want to hear more about the glories of testosterone and how it can bring hotties into my life.
Prince: Amen, brother. Amen.

 

[bio-chem]

Of course a religious University degree is recognized in the scientific fields, it's just Christianity that isn't recognized by the majority. If Christian universities were enrolling Christians only to send them out as atheist agnostics the institution would be shut down immediately.

You keep rambling about Darwin's doubts regarding his theory as if that gives you some kind of credibility. It doesn't. Darwin didn't doubt his theory, he simply kept an open mind to further his understanding as he didn't know anything of genetics or DNA.

Have you read "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins a Proffesor of Evolutionary Biology? Why use a 150 year old version of a theory as an example when we have an up to date version of the theory that only validates Darwin as being the brilliant mind who discovered how life evolved naturally?

You honestly think Darwin would not recognize his own theory? He would be blown away by the advancement of knowledge and no doubt be satisfied with his theory on an entirely new level. I wish he could come back to see what impact he has had on the scientific community and receive the recognition that he deserved back when this was a controversial topic to discuss.
He was a devout Christian before discovering the theory therefore I admire him for courageously seeking the truth despite having preconceived beliefs.

I never said anything about darwin doubting his own theory. Honestly dude. you read something. don't comprehend what you read. assume what someone is saying. then respond to your own assumptions.

 

[bio-chem]

"So long as it's something I don't disagree with!"

exactly.

 

[bio-chem]

Imagine going to somebody's door to let them know you found something good.

Haha.

Next time I find money on the street, I'm going to bother every person on the block by knocking on their door and informing them that I found a dollar bill in the street.

And how happy they would be that you were giving them the dollar, or how perplexed you would be when they turned your dollar down. your analogy is shit because you don't follow your own analogy to it's completion.

They are sharing the good thing that they have found numb nuts. they aren't telling you about the good thing they found and then walking away leaving you empty handed. you are just refusing the dollar.

I can't say i'm surprised though. your lack of comprehension at a great many conversations over the years shows that this is a set pattern for you.

 

[bio-chem]

I am going door to door to let people know the benefits of using testosterone, its my calling to let people know I have found something good!

If this was true I'd IM you my address and pay top dollar for your product.

 

[soxmuscle]

I am going door to door to let people know the benefits of using testosterone, its my calling to let people know I have found something good!

Prince: Good day, sir. I've come to bring you The Good News.
Some guy (SG): Thanks, but I'm Presbyterian and have already accepted Jesus as my savior.
Prince: But have you accepted testosterone into your life?
SG: What?
Prince: Why sir, if you accept it into your life, and your glutes, you can enjoy the happiness that only 12% body fat and a 400 squat can give.
SG: Please, come in, I want to hear more about the glories of testosterone and how it can bring hotties into my life.
Prince: Amen, brother. Amen.

 

[soxmuscle]

And how happy they would be that you were giving them the dollar, or how perplexed you would be when they turned your dollar down. your analogy is shit because you don't follow your own analogy to it's completion.

They are sharing the good thing that they have found numb nuts. they aren't telling you about the good thing they found and then walking away leaving you empty handed. you are just refusing the dollar.

I can't say i'm surprised though. your lack of comprehension at a great many conversations over the years shows that this is a set pattern for you.

i dont value the information being "given" to me by the kooks coming to my door you speak of. it's not the equivalent of a dollar. in that manner, having something shoved to you, cold, at your door step is a negative.

 

[maniclion]

total rubbish. I was trained in science at a religious university and it has not in one way effected my education, my career, or my religious beliefs. religion and science are easily reconciled. they are not mutually exclusive. I am every bit as able to participate in Sunday School as I am to research in a lab.

Where you get into problems (and atheists are just, if not more likely to participate in this as religious folk are) is when an individual tries to use one to prove the other inferior. or that by not accepting either science or religion they are somehow superior, or intellectually greater than those who do.

The truth is both are flawed. God is perfect. We are not. We are not capable of understanding God completely as we are presently constituted. Mortality is an opportunity to learn of God. it is a process.

Our understanding of science is incomplete. Everyday we learn new things about the world around us. disproving things we held as true, or factual just weeks before.

One day when we pass on as our understanding is expanded and our eyes are open we will all learn that science and God co-exist rather easily. There is nothing about science that God doesn't already know.

He sounds pretty stupid to me just based on what he told people to write in the Bible, I mean the Bible is the Word of God, no?