How much time is too much time at the gym

[Klutch]

When I'm healthy training for a fight I'm training 2-3 hrs in am and 2-3 hrs in pm 4 days a week and 2-3 hrs am the other 2 days a week.. Taking Sunday's off soaking in beach water for recovery... And taking a ice baths everyday also...

 

[ponyboy]

1. Who has time to work out for 2 hours? this guy right here thats who and GMO, the people who make time for it.

2. are you kidding me? 24 sets is not high volume you should drop by my log sometime. i'm talking 24 sets per large bodypart when i'm not doing Dorian training hence my workout times have dropped to just over an 1hr15. usually totaling close to 40 for the whole workout.

3. all thats very well and good but your forgetting unloading times after each exercise and replacing dumbbells, you know how long it takes to strip over 1000lbs off a leg press and put them on a tree? i'm guessing not mr triathlete. or how long it takes to strip a bar of 700lbs? i'm guessing not on that too. Your probably one of the dicks who doesn't even replace shit or just uses machine.

4. Then clearly you've never met me in the gym.

Anyone else wanna come at me?

Sorry Mr. Hardcore. I've worked in gyms for most of my adult life and obviously you're different than the other meatheads.

 

[Darkcity]

Sorry Mr. Hardcore. I've worked in gyms for most of my adult life and obviously you're different than the other meatheads.

dude so bad ass he has to use wrist straps in his pick f__ bro please you really need em for that?

 

[trapzilla]

Sorry Mr. Hardcore. I've worked in gyms for most of my adult life and obviously you're different than the other meatheads.

Clearly I am.

dude so bad ass he has to use wrist straps in his pick f__ bro please you really need em for that?

yeah if you'd done digging instead of trying to be a smartass you'd see that picture (please note correct spelling) was from when I was 18.

Never said I was bad ass bro, just pointing out the fact no-one on here has the privelege to say what is too long to train to anyone, we can only go off our own experiences.

 

[Radical]

Most people I see at the gym for two hours are the ones sitting around between sets chatting, on their phones taking 5 minute rest breaks or wandering around looking for a hot girl to lift beside. What a waste of time.

Its also a waste of time to run surveilance on them.

 

[Radical]

Anyone else wanna come at me?

For what exactly? Are you the ultimate authority on all things training?

 

[trapzilla]

For what exactly? Are you the ultimate authority on all things training?

No but on MY training time and style I am. Which is what the comment was referring to, albeit tenuosly.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

dude so bad ass he has to use wrist straps in his pick f__ bro please you really need em for that?

Are you serious? That was a 220k (484 pounds) deadlift at 18 years old, maybe he needed straps but you would need a fork lift.

 

[TJTJ]

everyday is different for me. Depending on the intensity and if cardio is included. IMO 10min warm up, 45mins-1hr pumping iron then 10 min cool down(sometimes 2-3x a week 20min ending cardio) So no more than 1.5hr for myself.

I dont want to get too technical but depending on how much calories you ate before your WO then once your burn that off, next is the sugar in your blood/muscles then your back up reserve in your liver of something like 400calories, I think. IDK Please correct me because I need to refresh my text book but once all your energies are burned off thats when catabolism starts and youve gone overboard.

 

[N_I_C_K]

I think there are too many variables to give a certain amount of time.

 

[MegaTron]

60-75min

 

[trapzilla]

everyday is different for me. Depending on the intensity and if cardio is included. IMO 10min warm up, 45mins-1hr pumping iron then 10 min cool down(sometimes 2-3x a week 20min ending cardio) So no more than 1.5hr for myself.

I dont want to get too technical but depending on how much calories you ate before your WO then once your burn that off, next is the sugar in your blood/muscles then your back up reserve in your liver of something like 400calories, I think. IDK Please correct me because I need to refresh my text book but once all your energies are burned off thats when catabolism starts and youve gone overboard.

I think your pretty much on the money although its more the glycogen(muscle sugar) first then the digested form i believe but maybe Marat or Juggernaught will put us straight . finally it is liver stored glycogen??

but your right as far as that is catabolic also the oxygen debt causes cortisol release. There are hormonal factors that kick in around the 45-60 minute mark.

But i feel if you drink a fast digesting carbohydrate drink intraworkout then you can stave off catabolism indefinately

 

[TJTJ]

I think your pretty much on the money although its more the glycogen(muscle sugar)...finally it is liver stored glycogen??

but your right as far as that is catabolic also the oxygen debt causescortisol release. There are hormonal factors that kick in around the 45-60 minutemark

And yes the liver stores excess glucose as glycogen. Its one of those sugars, glucose or glycogen or vise versa the muscle converts to use.

Im sure Built will chime in sooner or later.

There is a theory that says it's best to lift first to burn off the stored muscle energy circulating the blood then hit the cardio post lift to dive into the stored emergency energy.

Thanks Trapzilla. I knew you would come through.

 

[TJTJ]

But i feel if you drink a fast digesting carbohydrate drink intraworkout then you can stave off catabolism indefinately

What would be a good product ?

 

[trapzilla]

What would be a good product ?

I like Multipower energy charge due to the high carb content 14g/100ml and the blend of digestion times-it does me well for my long leg days.
But I also like a home blend i used to use of 10g leucine 5g isoleucine 5g valine, 5 g glutamine, 5 g CEE , 5 g l-carntine , between 5 and 8g beta alanine and about 50g waxymaize starch mixed with the energy charge, used to use fanta but that denatures the CEE i believe. that used to see me through all my workouts.

 

[Livebig14]

Depends if you natural or not

 

[GMO]

Depends if you natural or not

^^^Exactly...and I'm not.

@ponyboy:I'd love to have you come train with me one AM at 5:30 and see exactly how much time I spend sitting around or talking. I played Div1 ball in college, long workouts are a norm for me. Just b/c you don't understand elite training, don't flame somebody's workout duration.

 

[Livebig14]

^^^Exactly...and I'm not.

@ponyboy:I'd love to have you come train with me one AM at 5:30 and see exactly how much time I spend sitting around or talking. I played Div1 ball in college, long workouts are a norm for me. Just b/c you don't understand elite training, don't flame somebody's workout duration.

bump ^ Natural training and training while on AAS are different. Either way you have to bust your ass to grow, but you can only do so much when your natural before it becomes counter effective

 

[ponyboy]

^^^Exactly...and I'm not.

@ponyboy:I'd love to have you come train with me one AM at 5:30 and see exactly how much time I spend sitting around or talking. I played Div1 ball in college, long workouts are a norm for me. Just b/c you don't understand elite training, don't flame somebody's workout duration.

Brother, I start with clients at 5am so I'm already at work when you're working out. Elite athletes are a different breed and require different workout times. How many of those people are in a conventional gym? About one in a thousand.

I wasn't applying my statement to everyone - just the usual people who spend WAY too much time doing crap they shouldn't be at the gym. Like I tell my clients, it's quality - not quantity - that gets you results.

 

[natural1]

bump ^ Natural training and training while on AAS are different. Either way you have to bust your ass to grow, but you can only do so much when your natural before it becomes counter effective

This^

Im natty and tend to train for 45 mins to hour 15. Any more and i dont feel like my body training optimum capacity so it may aswell be recovering.

For people on roids then its a different story

 

[GMO]

Brother, I start with clients at 5am so I'm already at work when you're working out. Elite athletes are a different breed and require different workout times. How many of those people are in a conventional gym? About one in a thousand.

I wasn't applying my statement to everyone - just the usual people who spend WAY too much time doing crap they shouldn't be at the gym. Like I tell my clients, it's quality - not quantity - that gets you results.

Very true...

 

[trapzilla]

Gear or no Gear I'd still train for 2 hours. I'd just have to rest longer with a slightly lower training volume. Too many people use the "yeah but i'm natural card" to explain insufficient training with insufficient intesnity and volume hence they get less than satisfactory growth.

As I have said on here many times I have trained with numerous 100% natural lifters both young and old, new to training and vets and everyone of them grows like a weed with me.

too many natural people short change themselves. I hit a 185kg deadlift at 17-natural training this way

 

[ponyboy]

Gear or no Gear I'd still train for 2 hours. I'd just have to rest longer with a slightly lower training volume. Too many people use the "yeah but i'm natural card" to explain insufficient training with insufficient intesnity and volume hence they get less than satisfactory growth.

As I have said on here many times I have trained with numerous 100% natural lifters both young and old, new to training and vets and everyone of them grows like a weed with me.

too many natural people short change themselves. I hit a 185kg deadlift at 17-natural training this way

I prefer the "I'm lazy" card.

 

[natural1]

on the other hand i have done the training for two hours when i didnt not no better. Im seeing far better results since structering my workouts around the times i mentioned.

In my eyes its not lazy just sensible. Theres not a time i come out of that gym not blowing out of my arse and worn out after an intense workout

 

[juggernaut]

around the hour mark cortisol starts to be released at higher levels.

But you need to train however long you need to get the job done. if your diet is good you'll grow, if you supplement your training time you'll be fine

Exactly.

 

[dteller1]

Or maybe he's doing high volume or a powerlifting style workout or OL style.

Thats an opinion based on your results and it is laughable to hear you say that because someone can't stick to your time frame.

Please Bro! your telling me Derek Poundstone is "bullshitting around"? pfft get a grip.

I train for a minimum of 2hours and ya know what brah? i don't talk, or rest longer than a minute tops, so am i "bullshitting around"? err nah.

i'd bury you under my speed guaranteed! you'd be flagging after the second exercise!

think before you judge brah!

but.....if your assisted i can fully understand why you can go for 2 hours, i dont know that you are if your not then fair enough, but you always seem to state you do very very high volume which is great if it works for you, but if your assisted different rules apply.

EDIT: wish id read the whole thread before saying anything, looks like this has been covered....

 

[trapzilla]

but.....if your assisted i can fully understand why you can go for 2 hours, i dont know that you are if your not then fair enough, but you always seem to state you do very very high volume which is great if it works for you, but if your assisted different rules apply.

EDIT: wish id read the whole thread before saying anything, looks like this has been covered....

I also always point out that whilst it works for me it also works for all the natural guys who train with me. It is not coincidence that about 8 guys all completely unrelated, different frames, diets, age and genetics all grow off the same routine? also the biggest guys I know natural or otherwise train high volume, infact one old time juicer does the lowest volume out of anyone at the gym 3 exercises for chest 2 for bis, off home.

I Have never and I repeat never seen a big dude perform the routines that are often suggested on this site, introduce me to one and i'll shut up about my training style for good but until that point i'm still gonna beat my friggin drum.

If anyone wants to PM for a more personal breakdown of how and why i train then i'll happy to do so hell i'll even draw up a routine for you to try!

 

[juggernaut]

I cant train for long periods of time simply because I'm ADD, I have a gym to run and clients to train, plus I enjoy having a life after working 12-13 hour days. but I'm also curious as to the scientific standpoint of doing higher volume. Would it truly be beneficial under a scrutinized microscope versus heavy compound work wisely designed?

 

[TJTJ]

I cant train for long periods of time simply because I'm ADD, I have a gym to run and clients to train, plus I enjoy having a life after working 12-13 hour days. but I'm also curious as to the scientific standpoint of doing higher volume. Would it truly be beneficial under a scrutinized microscope versus heavy compound work wisely designed?

I second that. But would like to include the duration applied to each.

 

[jack1970]

I cant last much more than an hour at the gym. More than that will still be beneficial, but I think you eventually reach a point of diminishing returns after much more than this.