feinburgrl
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Everyone have abs but it's cover up with body fat. Is there any reason to do ab workout?
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Are AB workout pointless?
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Pointless for getting a 6-pack.
Not pointless for core stability which will help you with big lifts like a squat.
Not pointless for core stability which will help you with big lifts like a squat.
as allready mention NOT POINTLESS very essential......CORE CORE CORE an often forgotten about area to put good focus on...abs are just part of it though.
Relatively pointless for six pack AND fucking "Core"...the marketing word that came along a few years ago. I was around when noone was using the word. Nothing changed since then except the ability to be able to sell products, balls, dvds and machines without using the word crunch (because noone wants to do those) all the while using ripped six pack abs as a backdrop for selling you the idea. Any of the main complex lifts will work the core enough to be more than functional. As referenced by the above posts, anytime you see or think of core you think of abs. Nevermind the stuff behind them.
everyone has abs, it's just covered in fat, the only way to fix that is through diet & cardio.
& I practically never work out abs with weights, if you do you have a chance of thickening the waist which is not ideal for a bodybuilder.
& I practically never work out abs with weights, if you do you have a chance of thickening the waist which is not ideal for a bodybuilder.
What about all the compound movements what involve the abs? They're all weighted. I don't see why weighted sit ups would be any different.
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I dont train abs.
Interesting thing I noticed is they get stressed a lot during heavy db rows. And a bit while doing Front Squats.
Interesting thing I noticed is they get stressed a lot during heavy db rows. And a bit while doing Front Squats.
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This. My abs are far more sore after a good round of deadlifts and pullups than when I do my "core".
People always forget what all of those muscles attach to, which is your ribcage, spine and pelvis. Work those.
As for showing them, as the saying goes "abs are made in the kitchen."
wow!
First you're not that fuckin old "core" was used long before our time and yes I do agree to a point the word has been "hyped" to aid in selling products to the living room gyms HOWEVER it ISNOT pointless to work your core direct especially being you're more than likely allready hitting a big piece of it on back day, why not finnish it off and do more hip/ab work (provided your hips aren't cashed allready.)
Sure compound lifts hit them but hitting them direct along with lower back direct DOES pay dividends per se, thats not debatable. I'm talking as far as strength not "show piecing." Just because they do get hit with those other compound lifts is not an excuse to not work the area even with just body weight/or weighted direct and body weight on obliques, that makes as much sense as ignoring other body parts cause they get hit on another day; such as ignorning biceps because you have a killer back routine....but yet there's some that still do it.
I deffinately agree to unfuck the diet to get them to show but that doesn't mean throwing weight on them is worthless either, everyone has a 6-8pack yes but even at nil body fat it can be a lack luster "show piece" I was proof of that myself, throwing a couple sets as little as once a week of weighted direct work does also help quite a bit. But to go that route and NOT straightening out diet isn't a key either, allthough I'd be lying if I said I haven't seen some bulging abs that appear to be nice and pertruding to then see they've just been built so much they're pushing a 6 pack of fat out. Probably would look phenominal if the fat got shaved off via diet/cardio though.. Anyway enough rambling. Point being because you hit somthing indirect on another day doesn't justify ignoring hitting it direct on a different day....if it works for you to do so than so be it but to spread that word like its pointless to hit that body part direct because of such is simply bad scoop, bottom line.
wow!
First you're not that fuckin old "core" was used long before our time and yes I do agree to a point the word has been "hyped" to aid in selling products to the living room gyms HOWEVER it ISNOT pointless to work your core direct especially being you're more than likely allready hitting a big piece of it on back day, why not finnish it off and do more hip/ab work (provided your hips aren't cashed allready.)
Sure compound lifts hit them but hitting them direct along with lower back direct DOES pay dividends per se, thats not debatable. I'm talking as far as strength not "show piecing." Just because they do get hit with those other compound lifts is not an excuse to not work the area even with just body weight/or weighted direct and body weight on obliques, that makes as much sense as ignoring other body parts cause they get hit on another day; such as ignorning biceps because you have a killer back routine....but yet there's some that still do it.
I deffinately agree to unfuck the diet to get them to show but that doesn't mean throwing weight on them is worthless either, everyone has a 6-8pack yes but even at nil body fat it can be a lack luster "show piece" I was proof of that myself, throwing a couple sets as little as once a week of weighted direct work does also help quite a bit. But to go that route and NOT straightening out diet isn't a key either, allthough I'd be lying if I said I haven't seen some bulging abs that appear to be nice and pertruding to then see they've just been built so much they're pushing a 6 pack of fat out. Probably would look phenominal if the fat got shaved off via diet/cardio though.. Anyway enough rambling. Point being because you hit somthing indirect on another day doesn't justify ignoring hitting it direct on a different day....if it works for you to do so than so be it but to spread that word like its pointless to hit that body part direct because of such is simply bad scoop, bottom line.
well of course if you want to work them, work them. My point is that it is WAAAAAAY over-rated. That's not debatable. It's the same argument for leg extension or leg curls, tricep push downs and bicep curls. Sure, do them. Of course all work has benefits. I mean we could have the same argument about doing shoulder presses while sitting on a "stability ball". As far as I'm concerned the core doesn't exist. It doesn't need to be talked about. I do ab work, a good bit, I used to do a ton when I was in college football and my abs were so sick they called me ab man,thinking about kicking my own ass and trying to do the same workouts again...I do lower back work too. But To me this isn't the core. But I'm splittin hairs. It's a pet peeve of mine and I jump all on this topic for fun's sake alone not to mention de-mystifying this whole ab thing.
Just bustin' ya chops...as they say.
Is ab training WWAAAYYYYYYYY over-rated? Yes
But, so is direct arm/forearm/calf training.
Do my abs/arms/forearms ect benefit from some direct training? Of course they do, but they're only an afterthought, once I've done all my important shit.
But, so is direct arm/forearm/calf training.
Do my abs/arms/forearms ect benefit from some direct training? Of course they do, but they're only an afterthought, once I've done all my important shit.
Just make sure you aren't the 'abs every day' guy or the guy that never does squats but will curl and crunch 24x7.
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I'm gonna agree that working them out every day is way overrated. Diet and Cardio is what does it for me and my shit stays ripped. I just have to stay away from Taco Bell.
lol Not a chance.
I'm one of the few guys who actually does squats in my gym and as far as I can tell, the only one who does deadlifts. Which is strange considering most of them are geared up and pretty jacked.
I hate to be the guy who posts e-numbers, but I love the fact that all these massive dudes stop what they are doing to watch me rep 450lbs on deads.
CaptainNapalm
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I always found direct ab training useless. They take a lot of stress if you do other lifts, particularly compound lifts.
CV3
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Just try an informerical gimmick and it should work for you.
I can't see how that would be beneficial
SuperLift
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No way is it pointless! A strong core means everything in bodybuilding and powerlifting
I do agree there is TONS of hype these days watching some of these TV ads, the core is the world.
There is validity that its not as "crucial" for committed lifters because of all the compound lifting. My only point was its not pointless to work them direct and is still valuable and a good idea but on the flip side nothing to lose sleep over if you didn't get to it.
I do pretty much the same just once a week
I cable crunches though instead of regular situps, cable crunches are easy to fuck up though, got to concentrate its too easy to utilize other muscles if your mind is wondering but if you focus its a good work out.
Everything else, similar to you, I do hanging from a pull up bar or captains chair with ankle weights; and finnish with a bicycle situp burn out for a couple minutes and call it good for the week.
