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So many kids these days have no respect for authority, especially in inner city schools. I've never been inside an inner city school, but I've been told that they're like zoos. It's a situation of the lunatics running the asylum. Sometimes the crowd needs a "whiff of grapeshot" to get things back under control. On a more positive note, the cop probably saved the state of TX $60k/yr to house this kid in a few years.
 
Figured I'd post the story from a news site instead of a blog entry. Reading the blog entry was not reading news, it was reading a heavily biased opinion. Give me the facts, let me make my own conclusions.

Police officer's past questioned in teen death|News 4 WOAI (WOAI.com in San Antonio)

Attorneys for Lopez's family says killing the boy was not necessary, and the officer had a history of problems, including 16 reprimands in three years.
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D. Craig Wood, attorney for NISD told us, "The officer was placed on office duty. He has not been nor will he be on patrol duty until there is some sort of formal finding."

14-Year-Old Shot, Killed By Police Officer Identified - San Antonio & Texas News Story - KSAT San Antonio

The report also stated that the "(Lopez) lunged through the doorway at (Alvarado), intentionally knocking the shed door into (Alvarado's) face."
The report further details that "fearing for his life, (Alvarado) discharged one round striking (Lopez) in his torso."

Officer Shoots, Kills 14-Year-Old - San Antonio & Texas News Story - KSAT San Antonio

"It was obvious there was a struggle," Gonzales said. "The officer has a cut on his lip and his knee is injured. It looks like the suspect came at the police officer."

Funny how those last two bits were omitted from the blog. I'm not saying anything was justified, only that it would be good to have all the information available before making conclusions. Summary execution and reacting to being disoriented and potentially killed in the line of duty are two very different things.
 
It must be that the USA is just too rich, too powerful, and, obviously, too capitalist.

still on that whole "capitalism" thing are you, honestly...your overall lack of knowledge and understand of us economic history and global economics is indicative of the worthless degree factories in the US and in your case especially us mba programs.

your probably have no problems with wall street using flawed mathematics in it's algorithmic trading, simply because it's legal.

you need to stop consuming the capitalist kool-aide spoon feed to you from birth. I'm guessing you haven't read any of the data from Blanchard and Giavazzi or Azmat, Manning and Reenen on how the "capitalists" of OECD countries are are grabbing a rising share of national income at the expense of it's workers thanks to outsourcing and globalization. and in OECD countries like the US with low labor union rates were increases in wages are at the mercy of the outdated CPI this is tantamount to serfdom.
 
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still on that whole "capitalism" thing are you, honestly...your overall lack of knowledge and understand of us economic history and global economics is indicative of the worthless degree factories in the US and in your case especially us mba programs.

your probably have no problems with wall street using flawed mathematics in it's algorithmic trading, simply because it's legal.

you need to stop consuming the capitalist kool-aide spoon feed to you from birth. I'm guessing you haven't read any of the data from Blanchard and Giavazzi or Azmat, Manning and Reenen on how the "capitalists" of OECD countries are are grabbing a rising share of national income at the expense of it's workers thanks to outsourcing and globalization. and in OECD countries like the US with low labor union rates were increases in wages are at the mercy of the outdated CPI this is tantamount to serfdom.

How the hell did you get me defending Wall Street out of that last comment? I have a pretty good grip on the overall global economic situation. Unlike yourself, I can accept the fact that the economies of individual nations do not operate independently as islands, as was the case 50-60 years ago. That is why unsustainable LU contracts and raising taxes to cover ever increasing govt spending won't work anymore. It will put the US govt into default and we'll all be fucked in the end. 50 years ago, when US companies weren't competing globally, the LU's could bargain up their wages and benefits and the costs would simply be passed onto the consumer. However, that doesn't work in a Wal Mart world.

Those countries with the more competitive corporate tax rates and less threat of strangulation by labor unions will enjoy the benefits of more international business setting up shop on their shores. Not saying that's a good thing necessarily to have US workers forced to compete with Chinese laborers earning 60 cents per hour plus lunch. But, with globalization and "free trade", that's what we have now. The US isn't Luxembourg. We have a diverse population, 620 times their size.
 
The report also stated that the "(Lopez) lunged through the doorway at (Alvarado), intentionally knocking the shed door into (Alvarado's) face."The report further details that "fearing for his life, (Alvarado) discharged one round striking (Lopez) in his torso."Gonzalez said Monday that Lopez had been expelled from Pease Middle School and then from from a Northside alternative school and was attending the Bexar County Juvenile Justice Academy.

Interesting indeed how pertinent details of a story get lost when translated from actual news into an opinionated blog.
 
Then, don't call them next time someone tries to bust in your door to threaten you and your family. Call LAM. Or, perhaps you'd feel much better if we live in a society of mob rule and vigilante justice.


I have never needed a cop to do anything other than fill out a police report for my insurance, and even that was a pain in the ass just to get the fat donut eating mother fucker to do his job.
 
How the hell did you get me defending Wall Street out of that last comment? I have a pretty good grip on the overall global economic situation. Unlike yourself, I can accept the fact that the economies of individual nations do not operate independently as islands, as was the case 50-60 years ago. That is why unsustainable LU contracts and raising taxes to cover ever increasing govt spending won't work anymore. It will put the US govt into default and we'll all be fucked in the end. 50 years ago, when US companies weren't competing globally, the LU's could bargain up their wages and benefits and the costs would simply be passed onto the consumer. However, that doesn't work in a Wal Mart world.

Those countries with the more competitive corporate tax rates and less threat of strangulation by labor unions will enjoy the benefits of more international business setting up shop on their shores. Not saying that's a good thing necessarily to have US workers forced to compete with Chinese laborers earning 60 cents per hour plus lunch. But, with globalization and "free trade", that's what we have now. The US isn't Luxembourg. We have a diverse population, 620 times their size.

In 2010 the Fed collected 190B from US corporations and gave out 100B in tax give-away's according to the Cato Institute that is about the annual average. With total Corp earnings of 1.7T in 2010 that is an effective tax rate of 5%. Obviously that rate on paper and what they actually pay are not even remotely similar.

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the US budget deficit is a direct result of increased imports over exports and maintaining a low national savings rate for decades, it has nothing at all to do with over/under taxation.

Basic national income accounting requires that
Y = C + I + G + (EX - IM),

where Y is GDP, C is consumption, I is investment,
G is government consumption, and EX - IM is net
exports (exports minus imports).

C = Y - T - S simply states that consumption is
equal to GDP minus taxes and saving.

Putting these two equations together, we find
another national income identity:

Y = Y - T - S + I + G + (EX - IM)

Rearranging, we find that

(IM - EX) = (G - T) + (I - S)

Thus, the country’s trade deficit is equivalent to the
country’s government budget deficit (G - T ) plus the
country’s private investment/savings imbalance (I - S).

This is an accounting identity, not a theory, and as
such, it holds for all countries at all times. It also
implies that measures that increase the government
deficit or the private sector’s investment/savings
imbalance will necessarily worsen the trade deficit.

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Privatization, Entry Regulation and the Decline of Labor’s Share of GDP: A Cross-Country
Analysis of the Network Industries
http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/4552/1/Pri...ountry_Analysis_of_the_Network_Industries.pdf

The Conclusion is on page 30 if you don't feel like reading the entire document.
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The report from the Frazer Institute shows that the US has a very efficient government when compared to other OECD countries and especially when you consider the population of the US is 3x larger than most other OECD countries with the exception of the developing economic countries such as India and China.

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The graph of U.S. Interest Rates and Flow of Funds show the direct result of monetary policy of the FRB and it's effects on Government Savings.

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The last document (0406 macroeconomics bosworth) shows the Avg Savings rates over time
 
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The officer didn't see him at first, but "approached the storage shed to search further for the suspect announcing several times 'Police, Police.'"
At this point it seems Lopez felt like Officer found out his hiding spot.


The report also stated that the "(Lopez) lunged through the doorway at (Alvarado), intentionally knocking the shed door into (Alvarado's) face."
Here, Lopez found out that officer was closing in on him so he jumped out, knocking the door (doesn't sound like he intended to injure the officer, he just pushed the door to make his way out) to escape from his current hiding spot.

The report further details that "fearing for his life, (Alvarado) discharged one round striking (Lopez) in his torso."
Give me a break. He was just a kid and also unarmed.

I hope investigator will find out if the shot was fired from a close range or long range.
 
So many kids these days have no respect for authority, especially in inner city schools. I've never been inside an inner city school, but I've been told that they're like zoos. It's a situation of the lunatics running the asylum. Sometimes the crowd needs a "whiff of grapeshot" to get things back under control. On a more positive note, the cop probably saved the state of TX $60k/yr to house this kid in a few years.
On a positive note? you are an extremist capitalist and a very very sick man.:(
 
Give me a break. He was just a kid and also unarmed.

Because no one keeps anything in a shed that could be used as a weapon. If someone had a split second to make a decision like that while being stunned I would imagine that self-preservation kicks in and not "Well, he's just a kid. He wouldn't possibly grab a pick or a shovel and hit me over the head with it, would he?"

I agree that it wasn't the ending that anyone wanted but I am thinking that the officer acted in self-defense in that split second after being popped in the nose and the knee by the shed door.
 
Because no one keeps anything in a shed that could be used as a weapon. If someone had a split second to make a decision like that while being stunned I would imagine that self-preservation kicks in and not "Well, he's just a kid. He wouldn't possibly grab a pick or a shovel and hit me over the head with it, would he?"

I agree that it wasn't the ending that anyone wanted but I am thinking that the officer acted in self-defense in that split second after being popped in the nose and the knee by the shed door.

the distance from the weapon that was fired and the person can be determined by the amount of GSR on the person's clothes, etc. and the presence or lack of stippling.
 
No use in arguing this.....the cops are ALWAYS wrong. Let's just fire evey damn one in the country and see how long the country lasts.
 
doesn't the article say there was no gunshot residue on his clothes?

Alvarado was lying, of course. An autopsy revealed “no evidence of close range firing [on] the wound,” and no gunpowder stains were found on the victim’s bloody t-shirt.


um. if this cop can't tell from several feet away if someone is holding a shovel he better play it safe and just shoot everyone. :jerkit:

google 14 year old kills cop and tell me if you find anything i didn't but there are plenty of stories of cops killing kids a ten year old on a bike, a sleeping 7 year old and so on and so on. It seems endless.

there are enough good cops to go around so stupid cops who are dangerous should be fired to protect the public. how hard is that to admit?
 
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the distance from the weapon that was fired and the person can be determined by the amount of GSR on the person's clothes, etc. and the presence or lack of stippling.

The only place I've seen anything saying that the boy was far enough way so as not to have GSR was on the blog. Are there any news sites confirming the information from the autopsy?

Assuming no GSR on the boy, assuming he ran back into the shed. Slam a door in yourself, namely in your nose. How's your vision? You got hit in the knee too. How's your mobility? Through blurry vision you can make out a figure in front of you. Does he have a weapon? Is he moving to grab a weapon? Oh yeah, were you knocked on your ass after getting hit by the door? If you ask me this is some critical information missing from the information that we do have.

We currently do not have enough facts to conclude one way or another what exactly happened.

Should he lose his job for disobeying a direct order from a superior? Yes.
Should he be tried for murder? No.
Should he be tried for manslaughter? I believe so, pending investigation which they are currently doing.
 
doesn't the article say there was no gunshot residue on his clothes?

Alvarado was lying, of course. An autopsy revealed ???no evidence of close range firing [on] the wound,??? and no gunpowder stains were found on the victim???s bloody t-shirt.


um. if this cop can't tell from several feet away if someone is holding a shovel he better play it safe and just shoot everyone. :jerkit:

That information was from a blog, not from a news source. Where did they get that information from? How can we verify that?
 
No use in arguing this.....the cops are ALWAYS wrong. Let's just fire evey damn one in the country and see how long the country lasts.
They are wrong when they are wrong. Stop throwing around that blanket statement. Few stupid cops make other good cops look bad. People need to be able to trust and respect law officers but stupid cop like this won't make it easy. If it is officer's fault then they have to take responsibility. If not then people deserve explaination. Trying to cover it up won't help build trust and respect between law officers and public.
 
That information was from a blog, not from a news source. Where did they get that information from? How can we verify that?


the blog but the info is in several news stories too along with addition info on the cop stealing evidence and shit.

The suspect bull rushed his way out of the shed and lunged right at me,' Alvarado said.
'The suspect was literally inches away from me, and I feared for my safety.'
The bullet was traced going through teen's chest as it ricocheted off the pancreas, colon, right liver and left kidney and exited the stomach.
A post-mortem noted a lack of gunpowder on Lopez's bloodstained T-shirt - the report concludes: 'There is no evidence of close range firing of the wound.'

Read more: School police officer who shot dead Derek Lopez, 14, had been suspended 4 times | Mail Online


Additional documents continue to contradict segments of the officer's recount of the day's events.
Officer Alvarado said that the 6 foot tall, 192 pound Lopez lunged at him, hitting him with the door of the shed. That's when he says he fired his weapon.
However, according to the teen's autopsy report filed by the Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office, the teen had "no evidence of close-range firing." http://www.kens5.com/news/Officer-who-shot-teen-had-history-of-problems-122480739.html

and btw he is not even an actual cop he is a SCHOOL cop

NISD has a six-part code of procedure for officers dealing with these types of situations.
According to the written procedure, officers are supposed to "take only action that is necessary to contain a situation until an officer of the law enforcement agency with jurisdiction arrives."
In this case, the agency with jurisdiction would have been SAPD; Alvarado did not wait.

also in a news story No witness recalled seeing any injuries to the officer's face after the shooting.




 
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No use in arguing this.....the cops are ALWAYS wrong. Let's just fire evey damn one in the country and see how long the country lasts.

do you shot a jay walker simply because they decided to flee? or teens caught in a field underage drinking that decided to flee when the flashers come on?

you have to look at the original offense not just the actions of the suspect...it was 2 teens in mutual combat and/or the "average" street fight that takes place on school grounds every day in the US.

we showed more restraint in the sf when we were searching the jungles in columbia for pablo escobar than this officer did in the US...
 
The only place I've seen anything saying that the boy was far enough way so as not to have GSR was on the blog. Are there any news sites confirming the information from the autopsy?

you didn't look for information you didn't want to find. it was easy to find as was the name of the place that actually did the autopsy.


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The suspect bull rushed his way out of the shed and lunged right at me,' Alvarado said.
'The suspect was literally inches away from me, and I feared for my safety.'
The bullet was traced going through teen's chest as it ricocheted off the pancreas, colon, right liver and left kidney and exited the stomach.
A post-mortem noted a lack of gunpowder on Lopez's bloodstained T-shirt - the report concludes: 'There is no evidence of close range firing of the wound.'

"The bullet was traced going through teen's chest as it ricocheted off the pancreas, colon, right liver and left kidney and exited the stomach."

That's one hell of a tumble for a bullet to penetrate the chest, bounced off all those innards, and exited the boy's stomach. That seems almost unbelievable that-that kind of tumble would occur with a stationary target.

I'm sorry if I am an exhaustive devil's advocate.
 
you didn't look for information you didn't want to find. it was easy to find as was the name of the place that actually did the autopsy.

Ouch. No, not true. I tried to pick local news outlets to that area. I'm sorry that of the 3 that I found that none of the story included the information regarding the autopsy, which has brought about another question to me.

Time to Google bullet tumble in a stationary target I suppose.
 
"The bullet was traced going through teen's chest as it ricocheted off the pancreas, colon, right liver and left kidney and exited the stomach."

That's one hell of a tumble for a bullet to penetrate the chest, bounced off all those innards, and exited the boy's stomach. That seems almost unbelievable that-that kind of tumble would occur with a stationary target.

I'm sorry if I am without an knowledge of how bullets travel through a human body..

my mother shot a man who was coming at her at semi close range. the bullet went in his stomach, traveled up his spine, and blew the top of his head off.
 
Ouch. No, not true. I tried to pick local news outlets to that area. I'm sorry that of the 3 that I found that none of the story included the information regarding the autopsy, which has brought about another question to me.

Time to Google bullet tumble in a stationary target I suppose.


if you google just the cops name and hit news you get only 3 stories. i only looked at two and both had the information. the local tv station was one.
 
i guess this is why you go by SILENT bob. :hiya:sorry if i exhausted you with facts.
 
dear god.. here i'll help you

Bullets tend to go in a straight line until they start to tumble or are deformed in which case they can careen in a relatively unpredictable manner aggravated by the density changes as they move through various organs.

The .223 military round most commonly used in an M16 and M249 is what is called a tumbling round. It is made to enter the body and tumble all over the place causing major damage.

google this "why do bullet bounce around inside a body" and maybe erase the word porn from your search bar first. GICH

it's a lot harder for someone working for the devil to find information because Satan specializes in deception. :coffee:
 
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"I'm sorry if I am without an knowledge of how bullets travel through a human body.."

my mother shot a man who was coming at her at semi close range. the bullet went in his stomach, traveled up his spine, and blew the top of his head off.

I had already said that I was trying to find some info on bullet tumble. Thanks though for trying to put words in my mouth (again,) and attempting to discredit me in what I was trying to keep a civil conversation. The point of this little discussion was to eliminate group think on the matter. Clearly you all think this man deserves a fate worse than death. The fact remains that none of us were there.

Evidence will only be able to tell us so much as to what happened that day but discrediting someone in an online forum is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this cop is a murderer of children.

Naturally we don't know the ins and out of this situation like a prosecutor or defender but hopefully they'll be able to have as much evidence at their disposal if/when this goes to trial. And when that happens I hope that the jury is able to retain their composure and focus on the facts and the evidence they are given, not base their verdict on raw emotion.

Also, when I Google the officer's name I get a wiki page for an actor, a imdb page for the same actor, 2 facebook pages, a linkedin, twitter, and flickr account as the top results.

Please ease up on the personal attacks LW, this isn't Anything Goes. Keep it civil. :hiya:
 
Momma shoulda taught him not to run from the police.
 
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