My second cycle, let me introduce myself.

[exphys88]

So, I've been around a few months but never really introduced myself. I was hoping to get some opinions on my second cycle.

31 y/o
Training off and on since bout 15 y/o
15% bf
Training and diet are on point, I'm an exercise physiologist so I know good training and diet. But I'm no aas expert.

I'm just now finishing up a 12 week test e cycle 500/week. I run aromasin at 12.5-25 mg/day and get bloodwork done to dial it in. I'm also finishing the cycle w tbol at 60 mg

I'd like to run a recomp or lean bulk cycle next. Here is what I'm thinking:

Cyc:
1-15 test e 500
1-14 EQ 400
1-13 Primo 300
12-17 winny 75 mg

Aromasin 12.5-25 mg/day--this keeps me in 25-35 range

Questions:
1) should I run 400 or 600 EQ?
2) is this too many compounds?
3) any thoughts?

Pct- clomid and aromasin as heavyiron has laid out.

 

[exphys88]

I already have gear on hand, didn't want primo but ended up w it from a sale, so now I need to fit it in.

 

[Diesel618]

I'm going with Test/EQ as my base for my second cycle as well. I was originally gonna go with 400 but everything I've heard tells me 600 is the sweet spot for EQ, so I'm leaning towards 750 test for 16 weeks, 600 EQ for 14 weeks.

Also since none of the compounds are orals, I don't see a problem stacking them, but the only problem is you won't know if any sides are from the EQ, primo, or winny since you haven't run them prior.

Good luck, hope it works out for both of us

 

[exphys88]

Bump

 

[exphys88]

I'm going with Test/EQ as my base for my second cycle as well. I was originally gonna go with 400 but everything I've heard tells me 600 is the sweet spot for EQ, so I'm leaning towards 750 test for 16 weeks, 600 EQ for 14 weeks.

Also since none of the compounds are orals, I don't see a problem stacking them, but the only problem is you won't know if any sides are from the EQ, primo, or winny since you haven't run them prior.

Good luck, hope it works out for both of us

Thanks for the input, I've heard the same thing about eq too. I'm just concerned about too much estradiol by bumping it up too much though. As for not knowing which aas is causing sides, I understand. Hopefully, the sides from primo and eq are manageable, I chose them specifically because of their lack of aromatase activity. By the time I start the winny I will know if it's winny or not if I didn't have the sides the first 12 weeks.

I only have the primo cause that's all i could get at the time, I just need to fit it in somewhere, and I thought it would work well for a lean bulk cycle, and I was already planning test and eq.

Good luck to you.

 

[GMO]

So, I've been around a few months but never really introduced myself. I was hoping to get some opinions on my second cycle.

31 y/o
Training off and on since bout 15 y/o
15% bf
Training and diet are on point, I'm an exercise physiologist so I know good training and diet. But I'm no aas expert.

I'm just now finishing up a 12 week test e cycle 500/week. I run aromasin at 12.5-25 mg/day and get bloodwork done to dial it in. I'm also finishing the cycle w tbol at 60 mg

I'd like to run a recomp or lean bulk cycle next. Here is what I'm thinking:

Cyc:
1-15 test e 500
1-14 EQ 400
1-13 Primo 300
12-17 winny 75 mg

Aromasin 12.5-25 mg/day--this keeps me in 25-35 range

Questions:
1) should I run 400 or 600 EQ?
2) is this too many compounds?
3) any thoughts?

Pct- clomid and aromasin as heavyiron has laid out.

Here's what I would do with those compounds:

Wk1-16 Test E 500mg
Wk1-16 EQ 600mg (at least 16 wks is best for EQ)
Wk1-12 Primo 400-600mg (300mg is a bit low)
Wk13-18 Winstrol 50mg ED (75mg is a bit high)

It is a long cycle for a second cycle, but it needs to be if you are going to run EQ.

Aromasin is good as is your PCT, but because of the EQ you will want to start PCT approx 3 weeks after last inject.

 

[exphys88]

Here's what I would do with those compounds:

Wk1-16 Test E 500mg
Wk1-16 EQ 600mg (at least 16 wks is best for EQ)
Wk1-12 Primo 400-600mg (300mg is a bit low)
Wk13-18 Winstrol 50mg ED (75mg is a bit high)

It is a long cycle for a second cycle, but it needs to be if you are going to run EQ.

Aromasin is good as is your PCT, but because of the EQ you will want to start PCT approx 3 weeks after last inject.

Thanks for taking the time. I will follow your recommendations, except I only have 4 bottles of primo and will not be buying anymore. So, I could run it at 400 for 10 weeks or 300 for 13 weeks. Which would be more appropriate? And should the test be run for a week longer than eq? I will keep winny at 50 mg as suggested.

 

[GMO]

Thanks for taking the time. I will follow your recommendations, except I only have 4 bottles of primo and will not be buying anymore. So, I could run it at 400 for 10 weeks or 300 for 13 weeks. Which would be more appropriate? And should the test be run for a week longer than eq? I will keep winny at 50 mg as suggested.

400mg for 10 weeks would be better.

With EQ, there's really no need to run the test one week longer, but you can if you would like.

50mg ED for winny is plenty...I can usually get away with 30-40 if it is dosed properly. Any more than that and my joints start to ache like hell.

 

[exphys88]

thanks!

 

[exphys88]

Just realized that would make my biweekly injects 4.5 ml's. Can I get away with 2.5 in quads and 2 in delts, rotating sides each time? Damn that's gonna be crazy.

 

[LightBearer]

That's a crazy amount of shit for a 2nd cycle, winny and primo can be tough on hair, I wouldn't run them togetheruntil you try each one individually with a test base of course.
Anyways. What were your first cycle gains, and did you have any issues with the aromasin?

 

[XYZ]

So, I've been around a few months but never really introduced myself. I was hoping to get some opinions on my second cycle.

31 y/o
Training off and on since bout 15 y/o
15% bf
Training and diet are on point, I'm an exercise physiologist so I know good training and diet. But I'm no aas expert.

I'm just now finishing up a 12 week test e cycle 500/week. I run aromasin at 12.5-25 mg/day and get bloodwork done to dial it in. I'm also finishing the cycle w tbol at 60 mg

I'd like to run a recomp or lean bulk cycle next. Here is what I'm thinking:

Cyc:
1-15 test e 500
1-14 EQ 400
1-13 Primo 300
12-17 winny 75 mg

Aromasin 12.5-25 mg/day--this keeps me in 25-35 range

Questions:
1) should I run 400 or 600 EQ?
2) is this too many compounds?
3) any thoughts?

Pct- clomid and aromasin as heavyiron has laid out.

Drop the primo and up the EQ. MINIMUM of 600mg on the EQ and you need to run it a least 16 weeks to see maximum results. The winstrol is fine as is the test. Three compounds are usually the maximum number to run unless you're getting really lean or entering a show.

Do you mind posting up your diet? I'd like to see what it consists of, thanks.

 

[exphys88]

That's a crazy amount of shit for a 2nd cycle, winny and primo can be tough on hair, I wouldn't run them togetheruntil you try each one individually with a test base of course.
Anyways. What were your first cycle gains, and did you have any issues with the aromasin?

I hear ya. I'm still considering what I'm gonna do. I want to stay conservative and safe. As for hair, mine was gone a long time ago. The test and eq are going to happen, just not sure about both primo and winny.

As for my gains on this cycle. I went from 205 lb and 18% fat to 207 and 15% fat (last friday). That's an 8 lb lean mass gain (zero bloat), and loss of 6 lb. of fat. I don't think these results are spectacular, but I'm extremely happy with them. My strength has skyrocketed as well. I'm the strongest I've ever been. I trained hard, smart and consistently, which is always the easy part for me. My diet was also pretty good. I stuck between 1800-2200 cals, 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat.

Thanks for the input

 

[exphys88]

Drop the primo and up the EQ. MINIMUM of 600mg on the EQ and you need to run it a least 16 weeks to see maximum results. The winstrol is fine as is the test. Three compounds are usually the maximum number to run unless you're getting really lean or entering a show.

Do you mind posting up your diet? I'd like to see what it consists of, thanks.

Thanks for helping me out. Maybe I'll save primo for a later date. As for my diet, this is what I have done on cycle:

• 1800-2200 cals a day (recomp).
• 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat.
• 200-220 grams protein a day.
• protein is primarily- egg whites, poultry, beans, and protein shake
• all grains are whole grain
• plenty of fruits, veggies, and legumes.
• occasional cheat day (1 every 6-10 days)

I also do a lot of cardio- hiking, swimming, biking, mountaineering.

 

[XYZ]

Thanks for helping me out. Maybe I'll save primo for a later date. As for my diet, this is what I have done on cycle:

• 1800-2200 cals a day (recomp).
• 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat.
• 200-220 grams protein a day.
• protein is primarily- egg whites, poultry, beans, and protein shake
• all grains are whole grain
• plenty of fruits, veggies, and legumes.
• occasional cheat day (1 every 6-10 days)

I also do a lot of cardio- hiking, swimming, biking, mountaineering.

WOW. I know girls who eat more than that while cutting, is that a typo?

 

[GMO]

WOW. I know girls who eat more than that while cutting, is that a typo?

That is a bit low. OP, how much do you weigh?

 

[exphys88]

WOW. I know girls who eat more than that while cutting, is that a typo?

No typo, I have a hard time losing weight. I don't require a lot of cals for whatever reason. With a cheat day, it probably averages out to 2500 cals, but def not more than that. And, that's while doing 5-6 hours of cardio a week.

 

[exphys88]

That is a bit low. OP, how much do you weigh?

205-210 lb

 

[XYZ]

How much weight do you lose on average per week?

 

[exphys88]

How much weight do you lose on average per week?

In the past, w/o gear I've been able to lose between 2.5-3 lbs per week. I know it's faster than the recommended 1-2 lbs per week, but I'm an impatient guy. On gear, I've managed to dramatically increase my strength, drop 3% bf, and keep my weight pretty much the same. I outlined it above.

 

[XYZ]

If that is the case how is it hard for you to lose weight? You doing all of that cardio is going to make you lose LBM if you're not careful with all of the under eating you do.

I don't get it? Why not eat more and keep more LBM instead of losing 3lbs a week, there is no way that the 3lbs a week you speak of is all body fat and with you being impatient, it kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

I guess, whatever, but it seems like a couple of things:

1. You're doing too much cardio
2. You're not eating enough

Just my observations from what you've posted, good luck.

 

[exphys88]

If that is the case how is it hard for you to lose weight? You doing all of that cardio is going to make you lose LBM if you're not careful with all of the under eating you do.

I don't get it? Why not eat more and keep more LBM instead of losing 3lbs a week, there is no way that the 3lbs a week you speak of is all body fat and with you being impatient, it kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

I guess, whatever, but it seems like a couple of things:

1. You're doing too much cardio
2. You're not eating enough

Just my observations from what you've posted, good luck.

well, I agree with this. I'm not currently trying to lose 2.5 lb/week. The cycle I just finished, I stayed the same weight and lost 3% of bf. All while eating no more than 2500 cals a day counting a cheat day. I gained a fair amount of lbm too.

As for the cardio, I do that much because one of my hobbies is mountaineering which requires incredible cardiovascular fitness. Trust me, I don't particularly enjoy 60-90 mins of treadmill and stairmaster.

I plan on running the above cycle that you guys helped me with and keeping my cals around 2500/day, w/ plenty of protein.

thanks