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Architects and engineers challenge official story of WTC Building 7 collapse

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I watched a whole documentary on this and they showed eveidence that the support beams were cut at the same exact angle as demolition charges would have imploded it. There was also footage of what looked like explosion in the bottom windows.

9/11 Money story on your dollar bills - YouTube
 
OnPoint88 said:
I watched a whole documentary on this and they showed eveidence that the support beams were cut at the same exact angle as demolition charges would have imploded it. There was also footage of what looked like explosion in the bottom windows.

9/11 Money story on your dollar bills - YouTube
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if watch the videos of the buildings falling you can clearly see explosions multiple stories underneath the collapsing stories. If you watch this side by side with a building demolition it is identical. Scientists also found traces off different explosives in the dust from the explosions. this explosive and actually be painted on and is not dangerous until detonated. In the weeks prior to 911 attacks they blocked off floor by floor for "maintenance and painting work" hhhmmm theirs also documentation that bush had bomb sniffing dogs removed from the properties in the weeks prior to the attacks.... wait not bush... not the son of the man publicly talking about new world order... whats the easiest way to get someone onto your agenda? fear, intimidation and thats exactly what this FALSE FLAG attack was. It was to get the American public to be on the same agenda as the bilderberg group and take our asses over to iraq and shit.


Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura: "9/11 Pentagon" (FULL LENGTH) - YouTube
 
sofargone561 said:
if watch the videos of the buildings falling you can clearly see explosions multiple stories underneath the collapsing stories. If you watch this side by side with a building demolition it is identical. Scientists also found traces off different explosives in the dust from the explosions. this explosive and actually be painted on and is not dangerous until detonated. In the weeks prior to 911 attacks they blocked off floor by floor for "maintenance and painting work" hhhmmm theirs also documentation that bush had bomb sniffing dogs removed from the properties in the weeks prior to the attacks.... wait not bush... not the son of the man publicly talking about new world order... whats the easiest way to get someone onto your agenda? fear, intimidation and thats exactly what this FALSE FLAG attack was. It was to get the American public to be on the same agenda as the bilderberg group and take our asses over to iraq and shit.


Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura: "9/11 Pentagon" (FULL LENGTH) - YouTube
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I didn't think anyone remembered that! Along with the blackout that occurred a lil over a weak before that tragedy. Sadly, people think this can be explained rationally, but it can't! When you have more Q's than answers, there's definately a reason for concern. And as a decent person it's your responsibility to gather all evidence and make your own decisions, not simply gliby accept what is handed to you.
 
ironaddict said:
i didn't think anyone remembered that! Along with the blackout that occurred a lil over a weak before that tragedy. Sadly, people think this can be explained rationally, but it can't! When you have more q's than answers, there's definately a reason for concern. And as a decent person it's your responsibility to gather all evidence and make your own decisions, not simply gliby accept what is handed to you.
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exactly!
 
I used to visit a website that extensively discussed about this 911 conspiracy. Members posted so many videos to back up their points. Few months later that website just disappeared forever.:(
 
there is fuck-ton of energy released in that fall. Somehow I don't find it all that crazy to see multin metal debris. I could be wrong. I am not an engineer and have give almost no thought in this.
 
Glycomann said:
there is fuck-ton of energy released in that fall. Somehow I don't find it all that crazy to see multin metal debris. I could be wrong. I am not an engineer and have give almost no thought in this.
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their is proof from engineers scientists and also fire departments that show the steel used to construct in this building cannot burn with a regular fire and needed a major accelerant (i.e. the one that was painted around the building) watch the link i posted and it says in the video somewhere in the middle i believe. they even show a demonstration.
 
DOMS said:
I'm also not going to put any element of doubt into your mind about Elvis being alive.
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That's because there's zero evidence to suggest that Elvis is still alive and even if the conspiracy was true it would not infringe upon your freedom or give you a different outlook on the world in which we live.


DOMS said:
...I see there's no point.
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My point is, the election was clearly rigged as Al Gore had it won without a shread of doubt. Gore would not have supported a war on innocent victims (its not a war on terrorism, it's about stealing oil at the cost of human lives) and he would not have co-operated in the fabrication of an attack on U.S. soil.

I was two days off being blown up in the Bali bombing and when I heard about the 9/11 conspicary theories it pissed me off. That was until I looked into it and saw that the evidence was there to back up many, many of the seemingly outragious claims.
 
sofargone561 said:
The evidence is right in front of us people its time America wakes the fuck up and becomes the country we once where instead of pussy footing around and letting the elites run the damn world
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http://untreaty.un.org/cod/avl/pdf/ha/ga_3201/ga_3201_ph_e.pdf

DECLARATION ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW INTERNATIONAL ECONOMIC ORDER
GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION 3201 (S-VI)
The issue of the establishment of a new international economic order was first raised in a political declaration adopted at the Fourth Conference of Heads of State or Government of Non-Aligned Countries, held at Algiers from 5 to 9 September 1973. The declaration invited the Secretary-General of the United Nations to convene a sixth special session of the General Assembly which would be devoted to development and international economic cooperation. By communications of 9 October 1973 and 22 November 1973, Algeria, on behalf of the Group of Non-Aligned Countries, transmitted the documents of the Conference to the Secretary-General, requesting him to issue them as an official document of the General Assembly under several items of its agenda (A/9330).
At the twenty-eighth session of the General Assembly, the declaration was referred to the Second Committee for consideration under the agenda item relating to the report of the Economic and Social Council (see report of the Second Committee to the General Assembly, A/9400). On 5 December 1973, the Second Committee adopted a joint draft resolution submitted by 87 Member States which called for the convening of a special session of the Assembly devoted to development and international economic cooperation (A.C.2/L.1322 and Rev.1). On 14 December 1973, in its report to the General Assembly (A/9400), the Second Committee recommended that the Assembly adopt a resolution to this effect. On 17 December 1973, the General Assembly adopted, by 123 votes to none, resolution 3172 (XXVIII) which accordingly called for the convening of a special session of the Assembly devoted to development and international economic cooperation. The General Assembly further requested the Economic and Social Council to prepare the agenda for that session on the basis of a report of the Secretary-General.
However, on 30 January 1974, in a letter to the Secretary-General (A/9541), Algeria (on behalf of the Group of Non-Aligned Countries) requested the Secretary-General to initiate the appropriate procedure for the convening of a special session of the General Assembly to consider the item entitled “Study of the problems of raw materials and development”. On 25 February 1974, the Secretary-General sent a note verbale to the Permanent Representatives to the United Nations (A/9542), informing them that the required majority had concurred in this request, and that, as agreed by the Chairmen of the five regional groups, the special session would be convened as of 9 April 1974.
On the first day of the special session, the General Assembly established the Ad Hoc Committee of the Sixth Special Session (A/PV.2207). On 11 April 1974, the Assembly allocated to the Ad Hoc Committee the consideration of the agenda item entitled “Study of the problems of raw materials and development” (A/PV.2210). The Ad Hoc Committee held 21 meetings from 10 April to 1 May 1974. On 30 April 1974, 94 Member States (on behalf of the Group of Non-Aligned Countries) submitted a joint draft resolution to the Committee entitled “Declaration on the Establishment of a New International Economic Order” (A/AC.166/L.47). On the same day, these Member States also submitted a joint draft resolution for a programme of action on the establishment of a new international economic order (A/AC.166/L.48). On 1 May 1974, following some debate, the Chairman of the Committee introduced two revised draft resolutions (A/AC.166/L.50 and 51). On the same day, the Committee adopted these draft resolutions without a vote and recommended that the General Assembly adopt two resolutions to this effect (see Report of the Ad Hoc Committee, A/9556). On 1 May 1974, the draft resolutions were adopted, without a vote, as General Assembly resolutions 3201 (S-VI) and 3202 (S-VI).

TRIPARTITE DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES CONCERNING MULTINATIONAL ENTERPRISES AND SOCIAL POLICY
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/@ed_emp/@emp_ent/documents/publication/wcms_101234.pdf

"2. The aim of this Tripartite Declaration of Principles is to encourage the positive contribution which multinational enterprises can make to economic and social progress and to minimize and resolve the difficulties to which their various operations may give rise, taking into account the United Nations resolutions advocating the establishment of a New International Economic Order."
 
No consp. theorist here. But, it is strange the way both towers seemed to basically implode in on themselves in a fashion similar to the way that buildings are routinely brought down. One floor collapsed after another and another. They were 110 story buildings and there were no large chunks of the buildings that fell to the ground. It did look somewhat like a planned demolition. We now know that the FDR admin was aware of the planned attack at PH and allowed it to happen as justification for involvement in WWII. But, why would the WTC need to be bombed to justify invading two 3rd world countries that couldn't possibly pose a threat to US national security?
 
GearsMcGilf said:
No consp. theorist here. But, it is strange the way both towers seemed to basically implode in on themselves in a fashion similar to the way that buildings are routinely brought down. One floor collapsed after another and another. They were 110 story buildings and there were no large chunks of the buildings that fell to the ground. It did look somewhat like a planned demolition. We now know that the FDR admin was aware of the planned attack at PH and allowed it to happen as justification for involvement in WWII. But, why would the WTC need to be bombed to justify invading two 3rd world countries that couldn't possibly pose a threat to US national security?
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That's enough to dub you a conspiracy theorist. After 9/11 public support for a war was instant. How else could they have invaded another country simply to steal their oil without people rioting in the streets?
 
GearsMcGilf said:
No consp. theorist here. But, it is strange the way both towers seemed to basically implode in on themselves in a fashion similar to the way that buildings are routinely brought down. One floor collapsed after another and another. They were 110 story buildings and there were no large chunks of the buildings that fell to the ground. It did look somewhat like a planned demolition. We now know that the FDR admin was aware of the planned attack at PH and allowed it to happen as justification for involvement in WWII. But, why would the WTC need to be bombed to justify invading two 3rd world countries that couldn't possibly pose a threat to US national security?
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We do? I've studied that subject to death. I've never see anything approaching proof of that.

What did happen, AFAIK, is that the US needed to get the populace, that didn't want to get into another European war (for good reason), into the war. So the US government, using what legal rights they had, put a blockade around Japan in order to force them to attack America. What they didn't know was the severity of the attack--the details.

But if you have credible proof, I'd love to see it.
 
DOMS said:
Steal their oil? :funny:

Win?
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What it that supposed to prove? If you think that the U.S. is in Iraq for any other reason than oil you're completely deluded.

Tell me then, why have they been at war for the past ten years? Actually let me rephrase that. Why have the people of Iraq been defending themselves against a powerful intruder for the past ten years?

I'm keen to hear your answer.
 
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BillHicksFan said:
What it that supposed to prove? If you think that the U.S. is in Iraq for any other reason than oil you're completely deluded.

Tell me then, why have they been at war for the past ten years? Actually let me rephrase that. Why have the people of Iraq been defending themselves against a powerful intruder for the past ten years?

I'm keen to hear your answer.
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Because they're evil and we're good. Duh.
 
BillHicksFan said:
What it that supposed to prove? If you think that the U.S. is in Iraq for any other reason than oil you're completely deluded.

Tell me then, why have they been at war for the past ten years? Actually let me rephrase that. Why have the people of Iraq been defending themselves against a powerful intruder for the past ten years?

I'm keen to hear your answer.
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It proves that stealing oil is expensive. :shrug: Oh, and not the reason that we were there.

We didn't go in there to steal oil, we went in there because Saddam was pushing to have oil traded in something other than US dollars.

Also, a very large part of the Iraqi population was glad that we came in and removed Saddam. Of course, that large percentage is simply all the non-Sunni tribes. You know, because they were at the mercy of Saddam, who was Sunni.
 
Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."
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Cuban Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan, which was signed by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and presented to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara for approval, that intended to use false flag operations to justify intervention in Cuba. Among things considered were real and simulated attacks which would be blamed on the Cuban government. These would have involved attacking, or reporting fake attacks on Cuban exiles, US military targets, Cuban civilian aircraft, and development of a terror campaign on US soil.

i don't think it's particularly insane to wonder if there is more than meets the eye.
 
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I know for a fact that there was ongoing construction in both towers. The construction started 4 months before the attacks happened. 4 of my friends are construction workers and i was told that some of the construction was to reinforce the metal beams in the towers.
On that fateful day 3 of my friends made it out alive 1 didn't, my other friend a first responder Firefighter also passed away, fighting that horrible act of terrorism.
Do i believe it's an inside job "HELL to the MOFO yes!!!!!"
 
Ichigo said:
I know for a fact that there was ongoing construction in both towers. The construction started 4 months before the attacks happened. 4 of my friends are construction workers and i was told that some of the construction was to reinforce the metal beams in the towers.
On that fateful day 3 of my friends made it out alive 1 didn't, my other friend a first responder Firefighter also passed away, fighting that horrible act of terrorism.
Do i believe it's an inside job "HELL to the MOFO yes!!!!!"
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Like, I know man. I mean, like why would someone want to, like, you know, do maintenance on a glass and steel building that was 28 years old? I mean, if it was, like, built 2 years ago, I could totally understand it, man. But 28?

Also, the reinforcement they did? I hope they didn't get a bonus.

Joking aside, do you even realize what it is that you're saying? You're implying that the government knew it was going to happen and were trying to reinforce a building they wanted to knock down? Or are you saying that it wasn't really to reinforce the building, but to weaken it? If so, your friends were some of the people doing the sabotage.
 
Take this for what it's worth, but the 9/11 incidents were known about (down to the date and the locations) since desert storm. I knew about it since then, and i am damn sure i wasn't the only one.

/end.

edit: and i'm white.
 
flexxthese said:
Take this for what it's worth, but the 9/11 incidents were known about (down to the date and the locations) since desert storm. I knew about it since then, and i am damn sure i wasn't the only one.

/end.

edit: and i'm white.
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Great job warning everyone.

edit: I'm a better shade of white.
 
DOMS said:
Great job warning everyone.

edit: I'm a better shade of white.
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Back then, who would actually think it was going to happen? You hear something like that and you're like yeah ok whatever i have years before i have to worry about it. Then before you know it you've forgotten, you wake up, turn on the radio, and it all comes back into your memory again.

All I know is the way we as americans are shown it happened, or the story behind it i guess you can say, isn't legit. Do I know all the real details? absolutely not. I, and we never will. But the little I do know, isn't what your NBC told you. But it's funny, i guess. Because over the years I thought "but wait what about x" or "i thought y was going to..." and sure enough, it's all making since. Osama, Saddam, etc. It's all in the same plan my friends.
 
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