Should it be ok for gays to adopt children?..

[Chubby]

i grew up in a violent alcoholic home. i'm neither of those things and having a lesbian mom wouldn't have made me less hot for guys. do you honestly think a gay man can decide to not be gay? not just stop the activity but the desire? i just don't. i love beautiful women they are like art but it's not sexual. i could never decide to not be aroused by men or transfer that reaction to females. i love their looks, smell, sound... i can find a woman fascinating and love things about her but it's just not desire.

What do you think about pedophile and people involved in incest? Do you think they can stop being who they are? These gay and two above falls in same catgories - misbehaviour. Homosexuallity is supported by polictians for their self interest, promoted by profit hungry medias and accepted by gullible citizens. If politicians and people really care about these misguided people, then they should show their support by being honest and find a way to educate them about their misbehaviour, rather than continue to misguide them in order to win their votes. This issue is about moral principal, and not a politics. People shouldn't be playing politics with it. How low are we willing to go?
At first marriage was between a man and woman. Now marriage is between two persons. Next, is marriage going to be between two living beings?

 

[LAM]

So you think that children aren't influenced by the example of their parents?

modeling is of course a major factor but then you also have to add in the genetic component and environmental factors.

 

[Little Wing]

i have a lot of sympathy for any parent who has to face such a thing. i imagine you just listen to your child and do the best you can if you love them like their life is theirs and not an extension of you, your pride, social standing, or ego. kids forced to be who they are not, who are not loved and accepted as they are are the suicide risk. kids made to feel they are an abomination and humiliation. a lot of straight biological parents really don't give a rat's ass about their kids. kudos to people willing to step up and do their best gay or not.

 

[DOMS]

They are influenced by their parents. To say they aren't is silly. But to say that children will become homosexuals because that's what their adoptive parents are is just as silly.

Just likes it's silly to believe that a boy raised by gays wouldn't be more likely to be gay himself.

Here's an example. My parents are devout practicing christians but I'm not. Being bombarded by christianity all my first 19 years should have made me just as much a bible thumper as they are. Same with my siblings. One out of five of us should have become a bible thumper. But none of us have.

Consider this: how many Christians now were born to Christian parents versus how many join?

Yeah, some raised as Christian leave, but many, many more go on to be Christians.

Also, how many children raised by Christian parents, but that don't truly want to live it, do so just to please their parents?

 

[DOMS]

modeling is of course a major factor but then you also have to add in the genetic component and environmental factors.

Of course. That's why children are just carbon copies of the their parents. But children, especially those that grow up with attentive or highly abusive parents, will model strongly on them.

 

[Zaphod]

Just likes it's silly to believe that a boy raised by gays wouldn't be more likely to be gay himself.



Consider this: how many Christians now were born to Christian parents versus how many join?

Yeah, some raised as Christian leave, but many, many more go on to be Christians.

Also, how many children raised by Christian parents, but that don't truly want to live it, do so just to please their parents?

There is zero evidence to support that a boy raised by gays is more likely to become gay than he otherwise would.

Christianity doesn't really concern me a whole lot so I honestly can't say about any of that. Judging by the way you capitalise christianity is it safe to assume you are a practicing christian? Perhaps you can enlighten me as to those numbers you are asking about.

 

[DOMS]

What do you think about pedophile and people involved in incest? Do you think they can stop being who they are? These gay and two above falls in same catgories - misbehaviour. Homosexuallity is supported by polictians for their self interest, promoted by profit hungry medias and accepted by gullible citizens. If politicians and people really care about these misguided people, then they should show their support by being honest and find a way to educate them about their misbehaviour, rather than continue to misguide them in order to win their votes. This issue is about moral principal, and not a politics. People shouldn't be playing politics with it. How low are we willing to go?
At first marriage was between a man and woman. Now marriage is between two persons. Next, is marriage going to be between two living beings?

You need to lose the idea that being gay equates to pedophilia.

Yes, gay priest have raped young boys, but that doesn't mean that all gays are pedophiles any more than man-on-girl pedophiles means that all heterosexuals are pedophiles.

 

[DOMS]

There is zero evidence to support that a boy raised by gays is more likely to become gay than he otherwise would.

There are no studies because that sort of thing has only recently been allowed. But the fact that you ignore basic child development doesn't mean that it will go away.

Christianity doesn't really concern me a whole lot so I honestly can't say about any of that. Judging by the way you capitalise christianity is it safe to assume you are a practicing christian? Perhaps you can enlighten me as to those numbers you are asking about.

Or...the fact that I capital Christianity is because I like proper grammar and spelling? Just like Muslim and just like Buddhist. Get it?

But nice attempt at trying to do a run-around on my point by trying to draw religion into it.

 

[Chubby]

You need to lose the idea that being gay equates to pedophilia.

Yes, gay priest have raped young boys, but that doesn't mean that all gays are pedophiles any more than man-on-girl pedophiles means that all heterosexuals are pedophiles.

I wasn't trying to make a connection between gay and pedophiles. I was saying they are all some of many misbehaviours. For Example: incest, phedophile, homosexuallity, human + animals, etc.

 

[DOMS]

I wasn't trying to make a connection between gay and pedophiles. I was saying they are all some of many misbehaviours. For Example: incest, phedophile, homosexuallity, human + animals, etc.

Ah, I get it. You're looking for the term "sexual deviant."

 

[Zaphod]

There are no studies because that sort of thing has only recently been allowed. But the fact that you ignore basic child development doesn't mean that it will go away.



Or...the fact that I capital Christianity is because I like proper grammar and spelling? Just like Muslim and just like Buddhist. Get it?

But nice attempt at trying to do a run-around on my point by trying to draw religion into it.

I'm not ignoring basic child development. Having three children of my own I speak from experience. Children are going to be what they are going to be. Parents have SOME amount of influence, not nearly as much as their friends and peers. Studies have been done on this.

I think "capitalize Chrisitianity" is the proper grammar you are looking for. I was using religion as an example of parental influence or its lack. Your seeming rhetorical questions about christianity lead me to believe you have some knowledge on the subject so I was honestly asking about it.

 

[LAM]

I'm not ignoring basic child development. Having three children of my own I speak from experience. Children are going to be what they are going to be. Parents have SOME amount of influence, not nearly as much as their friends and peers. Studies have been done on this.

more and more studies are showing that most of how we turn out is pre-programmed in us and even less on on how we are raised. so it might appear that nature has a much greater effect than nurture.

 

[DOMS]

I'm not ignoring basic child development. Having three children of my own I speak from experience. Children are going to be what they are going to be. Parents have SOME amount of influence, not nearly as much as their friends and peers. Studies have been done on this.

I have three children as well. I'm attentive and guiding, and they are a lot like me. I'm sure that peers play more of a role in situations where the parent is neglectful.

Not that I believe I'm the sold influence in my children's lives, but I'm far from a minor influence.

I think "capitalize Chrisitianity" is the proper grammar you are looking for. I was using religion as an example of parental influence or its lack. Your seeming rhetorical questions about christianity lead me to believe you have some knowledge on the subject so I was honestly asking about it.

It never fails. Every time I use the word "grammar", I screw up at least one thing.

My mom was somewhat into religion. Which is how I'd describe myself.

 

[HialeahChico305]

I have three children as well. I'm attentive and guiding, and they are a lot like me. I'm sure that peers play more of a role in situations where the parent is neglectful.

Not that I believe I'm the sold influence in my children's lives, but I'm far from a minor influence.



It never fails. Every time I use the word "grammar", I screw up at least one thing.

My mom was somewhat into religion. Which is how I'd describe myself.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

What do you think about pedophile and people involved in incest? Do you think they can stop being who they are? These gay and two above falls in same catgories - misbehaviour. Homosexuallity is supported by polictians for their self interest, promoted by profit hungry medias and accepted by gullible citizens. If politicians and people really care about these misguided people, then they should show their support by being honest and find a way to educate them about their misbehaviour, rather than continue to misguide them in order to win their votes. This issue is about moral principal, and not a politics. People shouldn't be playing politics with it. How low are we willing to go?
At first marriage was between a man and woman. Now marriage is between two persons. Next, is marriage going to be between two living beings?

Sure why not?

 

[bio-chem]

Sure why not?

so your cat can make the decision to keep you on life support or not?

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

so your cat can make the decision to keep you on life support or not?

Can you think of a better alternative?

 

[Little Wing]

Can you think of a better alternative?

might be a bad idea. look up postmortem predation.

1992 American Academy of Forensic Sciences conference in New Orleans and a forensic pathologist related the following story (paraphrased as best as memory will serve): "Sometimes, when an individual living alone dies unexpectedly, several days may pass before anyone takes notice. Some of these individuals may own a dog or a cat, which will go unfed. In my experience, a dog may go for several days before finally resorting to eating the owner's body. A cat, on the other hand, will only wait a day or two.

 

[bio-chem]

Can you think of a better alternative?

How about a man and a woman married. I know, i know. Im full of radical ideas that would never work

 

[Zaphod]

I have three children as well. I'm attentive and guiding, and they are a lot like me. I'm sure that peers play more of a role in situations where the parent is neglectful.

Not that I believe I'm the sold influence in my children's lives, but I'm far from a minor influence.



It never fails. Every time I use the word "grammar", I screw up at least one thing.

My mom was somewhat into religion. Which is how I'd describe myself.

Grammar and religion are alike. No big deal.

 

[Zaphod]

How about a man and a woman married. I know, i know. Im full of radical ideas that would never work

In a perfect world. But we don't live in a perfect world. If a homosexual couple can provide, care for and nurture a child just as well as a heterosexual couple then what's the problem? It just isn't what a lot of people call "normal."

 

[LAM]

labels can be very destructive and I think this subject is a perfect example of that. the fact that people are labeled as being "gay" that this makes them somehow less effective at parenting and not qualified as a heterosexual couple. while I do not know any gay couples raising children I do know plenty of heterosexual couples that have royally fucked up all their children...

 

[bio-chem]

people need to toughen the fuck up. labels don't hurt anyone.

 

[Zaphod]

people need to toughen the fuck up. labels don't hurt anyone.

Easy to say if you aren't the one being labeled in a derogatory way.

 

[LAM]

people need to toughen the fuck up. labels don't hurt anyone.

there are plenty of studies and papers out there in the psychology world they are saying the exact opposite.

obviously some labels can be good and important especially if you just trying to add detail to something. but applying labels to types of people effects how those people are viewed and "judged" in many, many different ways now and in the future and a lot of times they have very negative and severe consequences.

sometimes people become that "thing" that people say they are. basically a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.


below is a link to a page a stumbled on the other day.

Why It's Dangerous to Label People | Psychology Today

 

[bio-chem]

Easy to say if you aren't the one being labeled in a derogatory way.

I'm a member of the LDS church. I've dealt with my share of labels and persecution. and the truth is it's part of the human experience. everyone get's labeled at some point during their lives. again, people need to toughen up. the philippino people have a term called "ballat saboyas" it means "onion skinned" its like calling someone thin skinned. people need to toughen up. being called gay doesn't hurt anymore than calling me a Mormon. bunch of communist, limp dicked , pussies.

 

[bio-chem]

there are plenty of studies and papers out there in the psychology world they are saying the exact opposite.

obviously some labels can be good and important especially if you just trying to add detail to something. but applying labels to types of people effects how those people are viewed and "judged" in many, many different ways now and in the future and a lot of times they have very negative and severe consequences.

sometimes people become that "thing" that people say they are. basically a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.


below is a link to a page a stumbled on the other day.

Why It's Dangerous to Label People | Psychology Today

so by calling someone "black" they are somehow "blacker"? this article doesn't change my opinion in the slightest.

 

[Zaphod]

I'm a member of the LDS church. I've dealt with my share of labels and persecution. and the truth is it's part of the human experience. everyone get's labeled at some point during their lives. again, people need to toughen up. the philippino people have a term called "ballat saboyas" it means "onion skinned" its like calling someone thin skinned. people need to toughen up. being called gay doesn't hurt anymore than calling me a Mormon. bunch of communist, limp dicked , pussies.

There is a difference between being thin skinned and being beat down to the point you snap and do something illogical. The first 20+ years of my life I was labeled a nerd. Fortunately my mental processes allowed for the fact I wasn't one of the beautiful people (I'm still not) and I didn't care (I still don't). However I can appreciate that some people are wired differently and being called a nerd, fag, ******, etc. can cause some problems for them. Labels can and do hurt, just not everybody.

 

[Curt James]

It doesn't matter to me. They're not my kids and they're just moving from one fucked up place to another. In this case the kid needs psychiatric help not hormones.

This.

Especially at age eight, wtf?

 

[BillHicksFan]

people need to toughen the fuck up. labels don't hurt anyone.

If I were gay I would not give a damn about what people thought about me however when those people have a say in whether or not I am able get married or start a family legally, that's when it would have a serious problem with them.

They are the ones that need to harden the fuck up and mind their own business.