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People dont fear this country no more!

Obama is a fucking joke!!!

Why do you want it to be feared? I'd much rather it be loved like it used to. Fear breeds very evil things. Fear triggers a survival response which, depending on the person, will present itself in fight or flight. If it's more fighting you want then by all means install fear in people as they are certainly not all going to flee.

Fear never triggers complacency, that's why all evil regimes in history that operated through fear were eventually brought down.
 
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Obama apologizes to Afghanistan for Quran burning



Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Afghan rage over the burning of Qurans by NATO troops showed little signs of subsiding Thursday even after a President Barak Obama apologized for the "error."
In a letter delivered to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Obama called the act "inadvertent," Karzai's office and National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said Thursday.
"We will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, including holding accountable those responsible," Obama said in the letter delivered by Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan.
Afghanistan erupted in violent demonstrations since the troops' burning of the Islamic religious material at the beginning of the week. Many feared further unrest Friday, the Islamic holy day.
Two American troops were killed Thursday by a man wearing an Afghan National Army uniform, a U.S. official said, asking not to be named discussing casualties.
The gunman is thought to have been acting in conjunction with a protest taking place outside the base, the official said.

The protest and shootings came as the Taliban called on Muslims to attack NATO military bases and convoys and kill soldiers following the admission that NATO troops had incinerated the religious material at Bagram Airfield.
Afghan officials investigating urged Afghans to "exercise self-restraint" and "avoid resorting to protests and demonstrations that may provide ground for the enemy to take advantage of the situation."
The investigators called the burning of religious material "insulting and shameful," saying NATO officials had promised to bring the "perpetrators of the crime ... to justice as soon as possible."
Muslims believe the Quran is the word of God, so holy that people should wash their hands before even touching the sacred book. Desecrating the Quran is seen as an affront -- an act of intolerance and bigotry.
At least two demonstrators also were killed in the exchange of gunfire near the base where the two Americans died, said Haji Mohammad Hassan, chief of Khugyani district in eastern Nangarhar province.
Two U.S. soldiers and seven demonstrators were injured in the clash, too, he said.
"We don't know who started the shooting first and what kind of guns were used, but we have started our investigation to find out the details of the incident," Hassan told CNN.
He said there were 200 to 300 demonstrators but the protest was now under control.
There was also a larger demonstration near a Norwegian-run Provincial Reconstruction Team compound in Maimana, the provincial capital of Faryab province, a regional police spokesman said.
Afghan security forces prevented the 700 to 800 demonstrators from getting into the compound, said police spokesman Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai said.
They burned a few civilian vehicles parked near the compound, he said.
American diplomats in Kabul and the north and south of Afghanistan are on lockdown for a second day in the face of protests, U.S. Embassy spokesman Mark Thornburg said.
At least five people were killed in demonstrations Wednesday.
The commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force, Gen. John Allen, apologized Tuesday for the incineration of the materials and said it was a mistake. The materials were gathered for disposal and were inadvertently given to troops for burning, Allen said.
He said: "It was not a decision that was made with respect to the faith of Islam. It was a mistake. It was an error. The moment we found out about it, we immediately stopped and we intervened."
The Taliban on Thursday rejected the apology.
In an e-mail message, the Islamist militia accused "the invading infidel authorities" of trying to calm the situation with two "so-called show(s) of apologies, but in reality they let their inhuman soldiers insult our holy book."
They called on Afghans to take revenge "until the doers of such inhumane actions are prosecuted and punished."
"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Quran," the message said.
Afghan religious scholar Anayatullah Baligh said it can be appropriate to burn a damaged Quran to dispose of it, but that it should be done by a Muslim performing the act respectfully.
"I can't tell you whether Americans intentionally burned the copies of the holy Quran to make Muslims angry or if they did it mistakenly," he said, but said their "carelessness" was "a crime they have committed against the holiest book of 2 billion Muslims around the world."
A military official told CNN on Thursday that it was unclear at this point how many Qurans were involved in the improper disposal and accepted that some had been partially burned.
American troops at the base would not have been able to read the texts and that would have contributed to the mistake, the official said, asking not to be named discussing an ongoing investigation.
A second military official said earlier the materials were removed from a detainee center's library because they had "extremist inscriptions" on them and there was "an appearance that these documents were being used to facilitate extremist communications."
But U.S. apologies have not been enough to appease angry Afghans, who massed outside the Bagram base Tuesday, chanting "Death to America! Death to the Afghan government! Long live Islam!"
Protesters burned tires and threw rocks Wednesday outside Camp Phoenix near Kabul International Airport, the U.S. Embassy said in its official Twitter feed. It asked Americans to avoid the area, saying the protests had "turned violent." It also suspended all travel.
In Jalalabad, hundreds chanted "Down With America" as crowds gathered near the airport.
Authorities have questioned some troops as part of their investigation, but no one has been detained, a coalition official said.
Last year, when controversial Florida pastor Terry Jones presided over what he called a trial of the Quran and burned a copy, Afghans took to the streets. In the northern Afghan city of Mazar-e Sharif, demonstrators stormed a U.N. office and killed 12 people. In Kandahar, three people were killed, and nine in another when police and stone-throwing demonstrators clashed.
American officials vociferously condemned the pastor's act.
In 2010, Afghans protested outside the Forward Operating Base Mirwais in response to an alleged Quran burning inside the base. But coalition forces called the suspected burning a routine burn-pit session in which military documents were destroyed.


Just a thought here. This is a christian country, comprised and controlled by mostly christians. As a christian one must recognized that he is flawed, not in creation, as god creates man and god makes no mistakes, but in action. Now, knowing that man is flawed in his actions, one must recognize that he will not only make mistakes but also carry out the occasional evil deed. Being a christian and recognizing one self's wrong doing, you should be compelled to repent , not only to god but also to the man of which wrong doing was inflicted upon as man is the creation of god in his own image and doing harm to god's creation is doing harm to god.

Now if you argue that no wrongdoing ever occurred, then you are arguing that a country controlled by flawed individuals has made no mistake, a mistake destined to be made by the scripture.
 
You do realize that "the animals" are thinking the exact thing about you?

Just making a point not expressing an opinion so hold of the muslim-lover stuff.


I don't give a fuck what those muzzy fuckers think! Fuck them dirty bastards. Bitches.
 
You can buy everything to make a bomb at RadioShack, the point being? Who cares, the US like so many major nations sells to others so some dude buys some radio part that was made here and now we are the bad guy? That sounds like either you are just making a shitty point or more so blaming the victim... :hmmm:

an obvious effect of globalism. supply chains are interconnected, etc. what happens on the other side of the world etc. can effect us today when that was not the case in the past. the tsunami in Japan, banking collapse in the US spread around the globe, etc..etc..etc...

this is why you have to look at the big picture even more today, things are not so simple anymore with trade liberalization and virtually unrestricted capital flows across most borders.
 
Then your objective cannot possibly be to stop the aggression.

The aggression will never stop. It's all they know. They follow a dilluted, dangerous theocracy known as Islam. It is an oppressive book that calls for extreme amounts of violence and lewdness. (Surrah 9:5) Muslims are disguisting peoples. :shooter:

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The aggression will never stop. It's all they know. They follow a dilluted, dangerous theocracy known as Islam. It is an oppressive book that calls for extreme amounts of violence and lewdness. (Surrah 9:5) Muslims are disguisting peoples. :shooter:

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Then what is your objective? Containment ?
 
As in genocide ?

If that's what you wanna call it? If the dirty muzzies can call for the elimination of ALL Jews and Christians to implement their global caliphate and have their virgins, then fuck 'em, we can call for their elimination, too.
 
gen·o·cide

The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.


It's not a matter of "wanting to call it".

Isn't the fact that the overwhelming majority of muslims does not seek that agenda? I'm pretty sure 2+ billion people could do a little more damage than what has already been done.
 
gen·o·cide

The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.


It's not a matter of "wanting to call it".

Isn't the fact that the overwhelming majority of muslims does not seek that agenda? I'm pretty sure 2+ billion people could do a little more damage than what has already been done.

Shhhh, we should all just act like Hitler. You aren't going to go anywhere with this discussion.
 
The aggression will never stop. It's all they know. They follow a dilluted, dangerous theocracy known as Islam. It is an oppressive book that calls for extreme amounts of violence and lewdness. (Surrah 9:5) Muslims are disguisting peoples.

that's the pot calling the kettle black. the US killed 5million Koreans just to prove a point after WWII and we haven't stopped killing people since. the only country running around attacking others is the US.

I suggest when you get some free time to browse the national security archives website and take a look at the original Defense Planning Guidance (Wolfowitz Doctrine). the motives of the US gov are far less than honorable, everything it does revolves around money one way or another.
 
that's the pot calling the kettle black. the US killed 5million Koreans just to prove a point after WWII and we haven't stopped killing people since. the only country running around attacking others is the US.

I suggest when you get some free time to browse the national security archives website and take a look at the original Defense Planning Guidance (Wolfowitz Doctrine). the motives of the US gov are far less than honorable, everything it does revolves around money one way or another.

Lam, I can't put into words how impressed I am with you sometimes, especially knowing you are former military. How did you escape the full frontal lobotomy/brainwashing?
 
that's the pot calling the kettle black. the US killed 5million Koreans just to prove a point after WWII and we haven't stopped killing people since. the only country running around attacking others is the US.

I suggest when you get some free time to browse the national security archives website and take a look at the original Defense Planning Guidance (Wolfowitz Doctrine). the motives of the US gov are far less than honorable, everything it does revolves around money one way or another.

As a matter of fact, I'm in Langley and Arlington for the next couple of days. Maybe I'll check up on that. You're honestly okay with stating that we're the only country going around "killing" others. Look at Syria right now. China and their death squads. Almost every muslim country is killing eachother right now. We're gonna differ on this, but the U.S. doesn't go around killing people for the hell of it, or because "the Bible" tells us to. These bastards are so vintage in their ideology, they're killing each other. They don't need the U.S. for that. Now, if they wanna fly some more 747's into our buildings, or behead our citizens or bomb our warships, or bomb our embassies, I think us "killing" them is pretty damn warranted. :coffee:
 
secdrl, how does it feel to be a brainwashed military sheep?
 
Now, if they wanna fly some more 747's into our buildings, or behead our citizens or bomb our warships, or bomb our embassies, I think us "killing" them is pretty damn warranted. :coffee:

19 of the 20 hijackers were Saudis. Osama was clearly in Afghanistan and then Pakistan. Why did we go to Iraq again?
 
That question cannot be answered since by definition a brainwashed person does not know he/she is.

which is the reason he failed to answer :roflmao:
 
19 of the 20 hijackers were Saudis. Osama was clearly in Afghanistan and then Pakistan. Why did we go to Iraq again?

Oil and bad intelligence decisions propagated by a bitter family that never finished what it started. There is a good movie about it with Naomi Watts I believe; it was all a sham. Afghanistan at least I can see to an extent but fuck, Iraq was just a killing field the more I read up on it.
 
Oil and bad intelligence decisions propagated by a bitter family that never finished what it started. There is a good movie about it with Naomi Watts I believe; it was all a sham. Afghanistan at least I can see to an extent but fuck, Iraq was just a killing field the more I read up on it.

I too had no problem going into Afghanistan, Iraq was ridiculous. We went there to kill a bunch of people because we felt like it.
 
Lam, I can't put into words how impressed I am with you sometimes, especially knowing you are former military. How did you escape the full frontal lobotomy/brainwashing?

I was INTO it until I got to S. America after leaving the Gulf when we went to go find Pablo, that's when I got my wake up call. But the years before that I fucking used to dream and Lee Greenwood would be playing in my head, I bought into it hook line and sinker. I even had my billet changed from reserves to full-active duty. During the Gulf we were doing the right thing the 1st time. even though it's a bit hypocritical for the CIA to fund the coups that put the Bath Party into power & Saddam then to go in years later and remove him once he stopped playing ball with the US.

what's going on right now in the middle east and since 9-11 is straight up US Imperialism. I certainly wish nothing but the best for all the troops over there but there is no lawful reason for what we did the 2nd time. If the US had built a real economy and not one that relied so heavily on the dollar-hegemony and oil we wouldn't be in the economic mess that we are in today.

I saw a lot of shit in S. America that did not sit right with me at all. So when i got out is when I really started to research US policy, legislation, economic history and all that stuff. and for the most part all you have to do is follow the money trail today and you can find out why the US fed gov functions the way it does.
 
19 of the 20 hijackers were Saudis. Osama was clearly in Afghanistan and then Pakistan. Why did we go to Iraq again?

To my knowledge, nobody is disputing that. They're still ALL Muslims.
 
I was INTO it until I got to S. America after leaving the Gulf when we went to go find Pablo, that's when I got my wake up call. But the years before that I fucking used to dream and Lee Greenwood would be playing in my head, I bought into it hook line and sinker. I even had my billet changed from reserves to full-active duty. During the Gulf we were doing the right thing the 1st time. even though it's a bit hypocritical for the CIA to fund the coups that put the Bath Party into power & Saddam then to go in years later and remove him once he stopped playing ball with the US.

what's going on right now in the middle east and since 9-11 is straight up US Imperialism. I certainly wish nothing but the best for all the troops over there but there is no lawful reason for what we did the 2nd time. If the US had built a real economy and not one that relied so heavily on the dollar-hegemony and oil we wouldn't be in the economic mess that we are in today.

I saw a lot of shit in S. America that did not sit right with me at all. So when i got out is when I really started to research US policy, legislation, economic history and all that stuff. and for the most part all you have to do is follow the money trail today and you can find out why the US fed gov functions the way it does.

Good for you man. I have a buddy that did two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. He seems to get it now as well. Too bad he had watch so many buddies get blown up.
 
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