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Prohormones vs the real deal (Steroids)

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I've had a few cycles with steroids, so Im well aware of how I react to it.

Each cycle I have done has put on some pounds of mass on me, that I have been managed to retain (Some cycles a lot more successfull than others). The strength however, is not easy to maintain. I have been clean for almost a year now, and im struggling to increase my strength at the gym. Of course I have gained some strength, and I still AM increasing it, it just takes FOREVER.

Of course im not lifting as much as I did while on my last cycle, but im not that far behind.

Im currently in a "bad phase", and I know it's all in my head!

I need something to get over the "edge".

I've narrowed it down to 3 things:


1) Hit myself in the head with a hammer

2) Prohormones / or other supplements

3) Steroids


I know how well option 3 works (I could pop some test-p & some oral for 8 weeks, and I would have become lean as fuck (im already lean), and strong as a bull...).. BUT. Im trying to stay "clean", and would rather not do this. So this will be my LAST RESORT. I will only do this if things don't get better in a few months.

So I guess im just looking for some opinions about prohormones, if there is any point in buying it at all. Will I get some gains, and will I have have less sides (acne, gyno) than I would with steroids (Would I stilll need some Nolva/Clomid PCT, what about AIs? ).

I have never considered using prohormones before.. and I haven't done any research about it either. I just thought I could ask here, and see if anyone else has some opinions about it.
 
First of all, how old are you?

Yes, you will need a serm for pct. Maybe not an AI, depends on which compound you run.

As far as your strength training goes...What sort of routine are you using? Diet?
 
Steroids work.
Prohormones worked before all the ones with steroids in them got banned.
 
I cant speak about all prohormones but I am using Super DMZ and the end of my Test cycle and the stuff is the real deal. I actually prefer DMZ over Dbol.
 
Steroids work.
Prohormones worked before all the ones with steroids in them got banned.

Hehe ;)


SFW:

Im 28 years old, and im 95 kilos.

On my last cycle I was 93kilos.. so I have been putting on 2 kilos the last 10 months.
Im doing cardio 2-4 times e/w / eating around 200g proteins e/d.

Not sure if you want me to post my entire workout schedule, but I can give one example:

Monday:

Benchpress: 4 sets, 5 reps
Incline with/smith, or incline with dumbells: 2 sets, 8 reps
Flyes: 2 sets, 8 reps

Friday:

Benchpress: 3 sets, 10-8-6 reps (30 sec pause between each set)
Incline: 2 sets, 8-10 reps (30 sec pause)

It's a new program I've started with. It has worked very well.. but for the last 2-3 weeks, things have been going slow as fuck. But I have also been a bit sick (flu) etc.. so I CAN blame it on that. Note: This was just an example for what I do to my chest.

I guess I have been a bit unclear with my #1, I should have been more clear with the fact that I want a "shortcut" to increase my strength a bit FASTER. Im already increasing it, it just takes forever.. and if im sick, im set back for a week or two.
 
For what it worth I have done DMZ and really liked the dry gains and the muscle hardness. I am currently cycleing test e and metha drol. I'm sitting at about week 2 on the metha drol and week 4 on the test (longer story as to why this is than I want to tell). I have seen some nice gains in size and it seems to be soild gains and not so much water. Running Adex for an AI at .05mg eod. I am going to run the Methdrol for 5 weeks if my body will let me and my blood pressure stays in check etc.

DMZ can still be found on some shelves as well as Methdrol. Another option is to contact Heavy on this board as see when the new mix is coming...he might be able to point you in the right direction.

Good luck,

SSGT Lang
 
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Cynostane is a relatively new prohormone which features an alteration of the Superdrol compound, with a cyano bond instead of the 2a methyl superdrol bond. Effects ??? Cynostane, originally developed by Anabolic Innovations, is an extremely anabolic compound with remarkably low androgenic action, making it qualitatively similar to the likes of Oxandrolone or Methenolone (Primobolan). It is non-aromatizing meaning it will not produce estrogen mediated side effects and its high degree of anabolic action makes it a favourable choice for athletes concerned with losing bodyfat while maintaining, or increasing, muscle mass.

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Featuring unheard of anabolic and myotropic effects, Dimethazine was compared to Methyltestosterone, Oxymethalone, Androstanazole and Testosterone Propionate in their protein-anabolic activity. Dymethazine was shown to have the HIGHEST myotropic (muscle building) effects out of any of the previously named steroids (Methyl-Test, Anadrol, Winstrol, and Testosterone Propionate)! In addition to this, it also displayed an ability to induce a higher rate of Nitrogen retention than Methyl-Test.(1)

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Hormonal products that give huge strength/weight gains are usually associated with watery or wet gains due to large amounts of aromatization resulting in high levels of estrogen in the body. Too much estrogen can cause severe bloating, fat gain, and even potential growth problems. Dimethazine features 0% ability to aromatize and expresses an extremely weak androgenic activity (3). This means Dimethazine will produce intense gain, has very little to no liver impact, and will cause absolutely no estrogen related side effects.

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References:
1. Biological activity of dimethazine in the protein-anabolic field. Matscher, R.; Lupo, C.; De, P. Ruggieri. Lab. Ric. Ormonoter. Richter, Milan, Bollettino - Societa Italiana di Biologia Sperimentale (1962), 38 988-90. CODEN: BSIBAC ISSN: 0037-8771. Journal language unavailable. CAN 58:34623 AN 1963:34623 CAPLUS
2. Protracted action of protein anabolism in gynecological oncology and its effect on hepatic function. Dambrosio, F.; Donatelli, G. Fontana. Univ. Milan, Cancro, Il (1963), 16(5), 553-604. Journal language unavailable. CAN 62:11656 AN 1965:11656 CAPLUS
3. A new steroid with protein anabolic activity: dimethazine. De Ruggieri, P.; Matscher, R.; Gandolfi, C.; Chiaramonti, D.; Lupo, C.; Pietra, E.; Cavalli, R. Ormonoterap. Richter, Milan, Archivio di Scienze Biologiche (Bologna) (1963), 47(1), 1-19. CODEN: ASBIAL ISSN: 0004-0169. Journal language unavailable. CAN 60:46973 AN 1964:46973 CAPLUS
 
^ Heavy I have a question- kinda off topic.. Would it be fine to do a run of clen after Halo for her? One of my clients is going to try Halo- but wanted to ask if she would be alright w/ clen post Halo?
 
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^ Heavy I have a question- kinda off topic.. Would it be fine to do a run of clen after Halo for her? One of my clients is going to try Halo- but wanted to ask if she would be alright w/ clen post Halo?

Yup but why not with the Halo?

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Stick to steroids man. Better gains, less unwanted sides, more wanted sides (for test at least). The only good pro-hormones I've heard of were 1AD/4AD but those are gone, and even still, they were not as good as a cycle of testosterone. SDMZ will give u some nice gains if you don't want to take something illegal. It would be an oral only cycle though.
 
Yup but why not with the Halo?

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Thanks Heavy. She's competing in June..but we changed the supplement plan up a little as well as her calorie intake- and not knowing exactly how the halo will work for her, I was curious if needed, to add some clen incase we have a issue with water?
 
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