I would love to try them, but I got a ton of small questions still about overlooked details no one talked about on cycle. Like pinning and making sure PCT is 100%. The only I want to take or ever would take would be test e or c.
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the only one i have seen take steroids "smartly" if it exists ..is a friend of mine who takes only primobolan injections about two injections a week no PCT no nothing and he does that for around 8 weeks twice a year. he looks good but nothing you cannot achieve without steroids, in fact he looks better than me and especially leaner but i am much stronger, but him looking better (leaner) could also be due to the fact that he is more serious about his diet (he is very serious and very dedicated), and of course he is 10 years younger!
You say that now, but wait until you are 6 weeks into your first cycle and feeling like a god... This is what can turn a user into an abuser.
the faster you gain the faster you loose ! muscle built with time is the muscle that will last. When you use steroids your gains will last only if:
1-You are already built and have many years of lifting behind you
2- the steroid dosage you used is minimal in a way it will not cause any testosterone shut down of your system
3- you keep the same level of workout after you stop steroids
4- your gains are done slowly, that is it is better to use a minimal dosage of steroids over a longer period than too much steroids over a short period.
for example instead of using for example a normal dosage of 200mg of test a week for 12 weeks, use 100 or even 50 mg a week for 18 weeks this will give you a push and will probably not cause any post cycle problems.
in short if you insist on using steroids let it be used to just give you a small push rather than rely on it.
Any regular cycle dosage like the one used by most juicers will only give you temporary short lived results and Post cycle side effects and problems to worry about. and no matter what you do you will loose all your gains if not more, pct or not.
1-You are already built and have many years of lifting behind you
2- the steroid dosage you used is minimal in a way it will not cause any testosterone shut down of your system
3- you keep the same level of workout after you stop steroids
4- your gains are done slowly, that is it is better to use a minimal dosage of steroids over a longer period than too much steroids over a short period.
for example instead of using for example a normal dosage of 200mg of test a week for 12 weeks, use 100 or even 50 mg a week for 18 weeks this will give you a push and will probably not cause any post cycle problems.
in short if you insist on using steroids let it be used to just give you a small push rather than rely on it.
Any regular cycle dosage like the one used by most juicers will only give you temporary short lived results and Post cycle side effects and problems to worry about. and no matter what you do you will loose all your gains if not more, pct or not.
the best is to stay natural ...but if you insist on steroids then your best strategy is to start lifting seriously for about a month , raise your level of training a bit before starting steroids. then use only things like test p or e or c or something like primobolan depot if you can find real ones.take a minimal dose for example: if a suggested cycle of primobolan (as an example ) is 200-400 mg a week for 12 weeks then take 100 mg a week only for 15 weeks, same goes for test just take a minimal dose so that you are supplementing or helping your system with testosterone instead of replacing it , the idea is to give a small boost without making your testosterone production be altered or shut down. Also your diet must be very rich in protein and low sodium. if you do it like that then no need for pct or anything and when you stop steroids you will not go down fast, ...at least you will not notice it and you might keep some gains even if your gains were not big.
remember unlike what some think: small gains and slow gains could be kept ....fast and big gains will be lost totally.
remember unlike what some think: small gains and slow gains could be kept ....fast and big gains will be lost totally.
if you stay within therapeutic limits then no need for pct, you will see results especially if you are clean ...you will not see big results but you will see results that will motivate you. The idea is not to overload your system with testosterone causing your testicles to shut down and/or start having estrogen problems. you have to just give yourself a small boost.
primobolan if you can find some real ones not fake are your best choice, my friend has been using them for years taking minimal dosages for few weeks twice a year and primo does not need pct. people think that primo is for cutting , in fact all steroids will make you gain muscle, and primo will make you gain muscle without water retention which makes you feel you are cutting. with some other steroids it is mostly water. the problem with primo is that it is expensive. I am not sure about test but probably if taken with dosages as prescribed by a doctor does not need pct. A good way of being on the safe side is to check the normal cycle dosage and divide it by 4. lets say 200mg weekly is used in a cycle normally then take 50 mg weekly.
Do not fool yourself, any higher dosages will mess you up and you don't want that. addiction to steroids will not only hurt you physically but will also kill your self confidence and your drive
primobolan if you can find some real ones not fake are your best choice, my friend has been using them for years taking minimal dosages for few weeks twice a year and primo does not need pct. people think that primo is for cutting , in fact all steroids will make you gain muscle, and primo will make you gain muscle without water retention which makes you feel you are cutting. with some other steroids it is mostly water. the problem with primo is that it is expensive. I am not sure about test but probably if taken with dosages as prescribed by a doctor does not need pct. A good way of being on the safe side is to check the normal cycle dosage and divide it by 4. lets say 200mg weekly is used in a cycle normally then take 50 mg weekly.
Do not fool yourself, any higher dosages will mess you up and you don't want that. addiction to steroids will not only hurt you physically but will also kill your self confidence and your drive
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Bonesaw, do not listen to bjg.. he is a fucking idiot.
pm me if you want correct answers to your questions
that goes for everyone else who is considering gear but doesn't know anything about it.. hit me up and ill drop some knowledge on you (been researching for 3 years and planned dozens of cycles for other people)
pm me if you want correct answers to your questions
that goes for everyone else who is considering gear but doesn't know anything about it.. hit me up and ill drop some knowledge on you (been researching for 3 years and planned dozens of cycles for other people)
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and a lot of people posting here are nothing but self-righteous morons.
the level of ignorance and idiocy in this thread is beyond measure
the level of ignorance and idiocy in this thread is beyond measure
couldnt have said it better
couldnt have said it better
I don't know how bjg can speak as an authority, when he hasn't even tried AAS himself. You're giving out advice off of what you've read, not personal experience?
The only person in this thread I would even listen to is Merkaba. Even then, I think he talks a bigger game than he plays. The rest of you are just anonymous internet posters.
The only person in this thread I would even listen to is Merkaba. Even then, I think he talks a bigger game than he plays. The rest of you are just anonymous internet posters.
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pretty much man. but whys it always the people who dont take it who know the most about it ahaha this whole thread is a joke well what that bjg dude is saying any way...
to puss to push needles or to poor to afford gear only 2 reasons i know of
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I don't think you will find any educated gear users on here saying that there aren't any unwanted side effects. There are, but, there are many ways to combat the side effects, and the pros outweigh the cons, by a long shot.
There are plenty of guys who run a cycle or two THE PROPER WAY, do pct THE PROPER WAY, and come out of it with a year of progress squashed down into only 8-12 weeks, and they are able to fully recover and hold onto these gains. Some guys have a harder time recovering, theres no doubt about that, but, they aren't losing all their progress UNLESS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE DOING.
Run a cycle, do a proper pct, keep eating big and training hard, and you will hold onto most your gains. Say you gained 15lbs on cycle, and after pct, only kept 7-8 lbs, that's still 7-8lbs gained in a matter of two months. Anyone who says they aren't tempted by that is just lying to themselves.
There are plenty of guys who run a cycle or two THE PROPER WAY, do pct THE PROPER WAY, and come out of it with a year of progress squashed down into only 8-12 weeks, and they are able to fully recover and hold onto these gains. Some guys have a harder time recovering, theres no doubt about that, but, they aren't losing all their progress UNLESS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE DOING.
Run a cycle, do a proper pct, keep eating big and training hard, and you will hold onto most your gains. Say you gained 15lbs on cycle, and after pct, only kept 7-8 lbs, that's still 7-8lbs gained in a matter of two months. Anyone who says they aren't tempted by that is just lying to themselves.
i went from 189lbs to 219lbs my first cycle im not finished with it and sitting at about 205lbs and cutting up very nice, no sides except an excess anmount of pussy fallin in my lap. over all a total sucess. i dont think ill ever stop juicing now
donkey you have 3 years of research i have more than 35 years of research (your parents did not yet meet) and after 35 years of research i realized that AAS is not a good choice. So you shut the fuck up with all the other idiots who support you because the last thing you want to do is take advice from a juicer because if he knows anything he would not advise natural people to take juice. idiots like you still think and insist that steroids are safe at the dosage taken in a cycle, idiots like you ONLY look at articles who justify their stupidities and ignore real scientific evidence.
And yes if bonesaw insists on doing gear a minimal dose would give him a small push.
And yes if bonesaw insists on doing gear a minimal dose would give him a small push.
