Reason for being "natural"?

[bjg]

bigbenj you stfu because i am 50+ and still get results better than you without any gear so yes 50-100mg or whatever minimal dosage.. is going to help. maybe it won't help you because your system is all messed up but for a clean person and smart lifter it will help.

 

[bigbenj]

No pic= You don't work out.
Sure, 100mg will help someone who is old enough to be close to death(yourself), but recommending that for others is stupid, plain and simple.

How long will you claim you are still seeing results? You should be as big as Jay Cutler with all the claims you make about still seeing results, year after year.

 

[jimm]

^^^dont even argue with the guy... 35 years of research and thats what he thinks is a good idea lmao ninja must be high!

 

[bigbenj]

A LOT of natties are delusional. I honestly think natties are more delusional than guys on gear. They seem to have this "holier than thou" approach, and actually think they look better than most juicers. Sure, they look good on stage, contest ready ripped, but, they look like a normal gym rat the other 364 days of the year.

 

[bigbenj]

Here is Merkaba. Mr. "I got up to 270 natty with a six pack" Mr. "I look better than 99% of juicers I know" THESE ARE HIS WORDS!!!!
Props to you for getting up on stage. You looked good, but, stage ready is one day out of the year. Here is what you look like the other 364 days. This is not that impressive:

 

[XYZ]

the best is to stay natural ...but if you insist on steroids then your best strategy is to start lifting seriously for about a month , raise your level of training a bit before starting steroids. then use only things like test p or e or c or something like primobolan depot if you can find real ones.take a minimal dose for example: if a suggested cycle of primobolan (as an example ) is 200-400 mg a week for 12 weeks then take 100 mg a week only for 15 weeks, same goes for test just take a minimal dose so that you are supplementing or helping your system with testosterone instead of replacing it , the idea is to give a small boost without making your testosterone production be altered or shut down. Also your diet must be very rich in protein and low sodium. if you do it like that then no need for pct or anything and when you stop steroids you will not go down fast, ...at least you will not notice it and you might keep some gains even if your gains were not big.
remember unlike what some think: small gains and slow gains could be kept ....fast and big gains will be lost totally.

ANY type of AAS in the doses you suggest will cause shutdown, PERIOD.
This is really bad advice and I would strongly suggest doing a ton of reseach before giving out "advice" to anyone about AAS. Thank you.

 

[bjg]

THOSE PICS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO ME BIG BENJ AND I LOOK 365 DAYS IN TOP SHAPE ALL THE TIME ALL YEAR LONG AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE LOOKING LIKE JAY CUTLER EVEN IF YOU PAY ME A MILLION BUCKS..
And tell me mr all knowing what professional bodybuilder, doctor or whatever gives advice to take steroids???????????? just show me one...all the idiots on heavy gear who have nothing else to do besides hiding their failure give such stupid advice.

 

[bigbenj]

ANY type of AAS in the doses you suggest will cause shutdown, PERIOD.
This is really bad advice and I would strongly suggest doing a ton of reseach before giving out "advice" to anyone about AAS. Thank you.

Great post dear XYZ. Honest post. Big true.

 

[Standard Donkey]

ANY type of AAS in the doses you suggest will cause shutdown, PERIOD.
This is really bad advice and I would strongly suggest doing a ton of reseach before giving out "advice" to anyone about AAS. Thank you.

he's been researching for 35 years bro

 

[Standard Donkey]

its clear that bjg is a troll.


Please anyone who is looking into cycling, or aas in general.. do not take his advice.

 

[bjg]

XYZ: 100mg of primo will not cause any testicular shut down if taken for few weeks. and so is 50mg of test. of course test will cause shut down eventually if taken for a long period, (depending on the dose and period taken). Primo is safer in that sense. and my advice is ultimately : NO STEROIDS as simple as that

 

[XYZ]

XYZ: 100mg of primo will not cause any testicular shut down if taken for few weeks. and so is 50mg of test. of course test will cause shut down eventually if taken for a long period, (depending on the dose and period taken). Primo is safer in that sense. and my advice is ultimately : NO STEROIDS as simple as that

Yes it will, and your advice applies to whom?

Please post your pubmed article which shows primo will not shut you down. First, it's not even approved for use in the US and second, have you even used pub med for any of your reseach or are you going off of "bro science"?

 

[bjg]

XYZ: google primobolan depot and u will see ton's of articles..some are legitimate scientific and some are just your normal advertising crap.
the medical articles explain in depth about the chemical composition of primobolan and its effects. and it is clear that it does not cause any testicular shut down. still i won't trust that if taken in higher doses. primobolan is the safest steroid (if there is one ) without a doubt, and it is also proven to give excellent true results unlike other steroids that give you quick and massive results but mostly due to water retention. Primobolan gives true gains this why some say the gains are not good enough. because they are true gains with no water. No water retention, no cholesterol, no High blood pressure, no estrogen related side effects, and no need for pct...still i do not believe so if taken in higher dosage .

 

[Standard Donkey]

holy shit will you shut the fuck up? you are so absolutely wrong it's mind boggling

 

[colochine]

Here is Merkaba. Mr. "I got up to 270 natty with a six pack" Mr. "I look better than 99% of juicers I know" THESE ARE HIS WORDS!!!!
Props to you for getting up on stage. You looked good, but, stage ready is one day out of the year. Here is what you look like the other 364 days. This is not that impressive:

Meh give him some gears then maybe there will be something to see there...

 

[~RaZr~]

Isn't it common knowledge that any exogenously administered hormone that is supplementing the bodies own production AND that is taken for a long enough period of time, will cause some sort shutdown? When I say shutdown, I don't mean your nuts either.

Maybe we should ask someone who is on long-term use of corticosteroids

 

[bjg]

Mr. Bigbenj: the only delusionals are juicers they think they just can cheat nature without a price to pay and they know deep inside that they are steroids dependent and that their muscles are all fake and that one day it will all fall apart. They only take steroids because no matter how big they get they will always feel small...in fact what they need is a shrink instead of roids

 

[bigbenj]

I already know I have mental problems. Nice try though I still don't see your pic posted. Not sure you even workout.

 

[~RaZr~]

Mr. Bigbenj: the only delusionals are juicers they think they just can cheat nature without a price to pay and they know deep inside that they are steroids dependent and that their muscles are all fake and that one day it will all fall apart. They only take steroids because no matter how big they get they will always feel small...in fact what they need is a shrink instead of roids

Hmm correct me if I am wrong here, but what your trying to imply is that EVERY single user of either illegal or legal steroids (Don't be ignorant, they are called Prohormones!) will eventually become addicted and thus become dependent on the so-called "drugs" to maintain their muscles? I guess those "users" do not dedicate the SAME amount of time and intensity to DTS (diet, training and sleep)?

You know the funny thing is, this steroid witch hunt would have NEVER had happened if the government HAD NOT decided to schedule them as a class III drug. Oh but wait, who controls the media? The Government! Who feeds propaganda and lies to the American public, the so-called soccer moms and bow-tie dads? The Government.

Funny, prescription drugs are horrendous for killing people as well, but Big Pharma is a multi-BILLION dollar business....

 

[KelJu]

juicers can never rebuild their muscles fast without the juice.
Juice = dependency
natural = true muscle

the only reason to go for AAS is if you turn pro and make your living out of bodybuilding.

What the fuck does that mean? All muscle is real muscle, its just muscle. What else would it be, imaginary muscle? Virtual muscle? You are full of shit. I have taken long breaks after injuries and/or life events and could bounce back to where I was with no problems. I could even bounce back to almost post AS levels naturally. There are a lot of reasons to do AS other then being a body builder: health, mood, progress, sex drive, goals, ect.

You sound like a whinny judgmental fuck. You remind me of one of those self righteous non-smokers who complain about why others choose to smoke. If you want to train naturally, then power to you. You'll save a lot of money that way. I am training naturally, because AS always leads me to injuries when I shoot past my body's natural limits. My connective tissues just can't handle the weight I can move. But your attitude is one of pure jealousy, otherwise you wouldn't care what others do. You go to a lot of trouble making the so called distinction of what "real muscle" is.

Grow the fuck up you little bitch.

 

[Thresh]

So all of you all natural guys don't use creatine, BCAAs, protein powder, supplements....

I don't recall seeing a creatine tree growing in my back yard. Then again, you might be supplementing something found in the body naturally....

reminds me of testosterone....


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[XYZ]

XYZ: google primobolan depot and u will see ton's of articles..some are legitimate scientific and some are just your normal advertising crap.
the medical articles explain in depth about the chemical composition of primobolan and its effects. and it is clear that it does not cause any testicular shut down. still i won't trust that if taken in higher doses. primobolan is the safest steroid (if there is one ) without a doubt, and it is also proven to give excellent true results unlike other steroids that give you quick and massive results but mostly due to water retention. Primobolan gives true gains this why some say the gains are not good enough. because they are true gains with no water. No water retention, no cholesterol, no High blood pressure, no estrogen related side effects, and no need for pct...still i do not believe so if taken in higher dosage .

This = BRO SCIENCE. Please post up studies or stop trying to convince me. STUDIES OR GTFO.

If you're right you'll be shown your due.

I want to see a published study that shows primo does not have an impact on the HTPA, ANYTHING LESS and you're wrong. You're rambling here. The question is does it cause shutdown PERIOD. I'll be waiting for you to prove me wrong.

 

[sofargone561]

Here is Merkaba. Mr. "I got up to 270 natty with a six pack" Mr. "I look better than 99% of juicers I know" THESE ARE HIS WORDS!!!!
Props to you for getting up on stage. You looked good, but, stage ready is one day out of the year. Here is what you look like the other 364 days. This is not that impressive:

kids at my high school where bgger then this

 

[bigbenj]

Looks better than 99% of juicers^^^

 

[_LG_]

^^^ looks better than 99% of natty's

 

[bigbenj]

Lol

 

[msumuscle]

kids at my high school where bgger then this

Gary Coleman on creatine

 

[msumuscle]

Notice I didn't say AAS, because if that were so he'd look like dis

 

[jimm]

what you talkin bowt willis!!!

 

[Bonesaw]

I was wondering about people who take only one cycle every few years, If i was to jump off in the deep end it would mostly likely be a one time event or I wouldn't be taking another cycle for months to years later. From this standpoint (not a very discussed one) what do I have to consider differently? Been lifting hard and eating hard from the beginning and i'm up ~40 lb in less that a year and a half. So I much be doing something right.