Reason for being "natural"?

[Qwai Chang]

I would like to see anyone the has the slightest interest in bodybuilding to refrain from taking steroids. I was a skinny at 155lb. 6'0" at 14 yr.old when i began weight-training, but I lost my interest even though I manage to gain ten pounds. several years, later I got somewhat serious about it and my weight shot up to 215lb. I took a long layoff and my weight went down to 170lb. The strange thing about being natural, you never actually lose your gains. I weight 212lb at the present time. i can go in the gym, exercise for about two months and weigh 240lb+. natural and I'm 56 fucking years old! Good gene pool!

 

[bjg]

There are plenty of reasons for being natural. The biggest one I can think of is pure health. You can't be healthy down the road by taking a bunch of stuff. I know a friend that did some cycles and then got off. He went to the doc and his blood work was CRAZY. He is taking a bunch of stuff just to get normal again. The stuff is dangerous and honestly it's not for everyone...

he started with crazy blood work i want you to see him few years down the road.....
You are right pure health is the main reason .
the natural way you build muscles that will stay with you even if you get older , in fact the older you get the more experienced you will be and the better results believe me. with steroids you will have to face worries, health problems, ups and downs that come with stress and psychological problems...in short worries that you don't need to incorporate in your life ..and in the end deception

 

[XYZ]

Waiting for you to post the syudy Bro.

 

[~RaZr~]

Waiting for you to post the syudy Bro.

 

[bjg]

when you build muscle naturally with years ..all your internal organs will develop slowly with your muscles in a way that all your system is in harmony..all your organs will develop in a way to sustain the muscles, you will be in a state of stable equilibrium (engineering speaking) . However when using steroids you build up muscles fast and some organs do not develop accordingly..there will be an imbalance in the way you are built ...like being in an unstable equilibrium....thus as you stop steroids, this equilibrium will fall apart.
This...not counting the numerous health risks which could reach a lethal or irreversible stage.
And XYZ if you don't believe me why don't you use AAS yourself ? what are your reasons of being natural?

 

[Thresh]

when you build muscle naturally with years ..all your internal organs will develop slowly with your muscles in a way that all your system is in harmony..all your organs will develop in a way to sustain the muscles, you will be in a state of stable equilibrium (engineering speaking) . However when using steroids you build up muscles fast and some organs do not develop accordingly..there will be an imbalance in the way you are built ...like being in an unstable equilibrium....thus as you stop steroids, this equilibrium will fall apart.
This...not counting the numerous health risks which could reach a lethal or irreversible stage.
And XYZ if you don't believe me why don't you use AAS yourself ? what are your reasons of being natural?

A link between organ development and muscle mass. Can't wait to see the pile of evidence you have for this




5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[XYZ]

when you build muscle naturally with years ..all your internal organs will develop slowly with your muscles in a way that all your system is in harmony..all your organs will develop in a way to sustain the muscles, you will be in a state of stable equilibrium (engineering speaking) . However when using steroids you build up muscles fast and some organs do not develop accordingly..there will be an imbalance in the way you are built ...like being in an unstable equilibrium....thus as you stop steroids, this equilibrium will fall apart.
This...not counting the numerous health risks which could reach a lethal or irreversible stage.
And XYZ if you don't believe me why don't you use AAS yourself ? what are your reasons of being natural?

I never stated I was natural, you assumed.

YOU said that primo will not shut you down at 100mg EW, I said yes it will, you again said no it won't so I AGAIN asked you to post up a medical study proving that your answer was correct, you have failed to do so.

Bottom line: You're wrong. You've had a chance to prove it for days now so don't tell me you were busy or some other line of BS. The reason you didn't find it is because it doesn't exist.

If HRT shuts you down is that dangerous too? It's a prescribed Rx from a Dr. and is monitored by blood work. Funny, I bet if you had the same condition you would go on HRT also.

Your overall AAS knowledge is limited to fiction and rumors you read off of descriptions instead of actual medical information.

 

[bjg]

XYZ i am not your office boy or secretary to look for studies for you..you can do so yourself...as for me i don't need any study to know what is the truth ....i ve been around ..as for primo i said that it is advertised by steroids sites that it does not shut you down and it is well known from experienced bodybuilders..however, i also said that i still don't believe it if taken at high doses if you recall ...so if you have a fixation on contradicting me ..it is getting boring..
you will not find a single medical study that will say that steroids are good for you....however juicers do not want to admit it so instead they go claiming that there are no studies that say it is bad or it can kill you....so in general people will believe what they want....but if you want you can go ask your doctor endocrinologist and he will tell you what he studied throughout his 10 years ...and you probably you won't like the answer if you were a juicer.
As far as my knowledge about AAS ..i am proud to say that yes it is limited if you think knowledge in AAS is the kind gathered by some punks in the gym...and for sure i really don't care about AAS that much since i know what it does.....if i want to know about AAS i just go to experts the kind who write articles and do research ..i am surrounded by them at the university.
As far as being in red or green or whatever i really don't care ..i made my millions...

 

[HANDSOME STRANGER]

XYZ i am not your office boy or secretary to look for studies for you..you can do so yourself...as for me i don't need any study to know what is the truth ....i ve been around ..as for primo i said that it is advertised by steroids sites that it does not shut you down and it is well known from experienced bodybuilders..however, i also said that i still don't believe it if taken at high doses if you recall ...so if you have a fixation on contradicting me ..it is getting boring..
you will not find a single medical study that will say that steroids are good for you....however juicers do not want to admit it so instead they go claiming that there are no studies that say it is bad or it can kill you....so in general people will believe what they want....but if you want you can go ask your doctor endocrinologist and he will tell you what he studied throughout his 10 years ...and you probably you won't like the answer if you were a juicer.
As far as my knowledge about AAS ..i am proud to say that yes it is limited if you think knowledge in AAS is the kind gathered by some punks in the gym...and for sure i really don't care about AAS that much since i know what it does.....if i want to know about AAS i just go to experts the kind who write articles and do research ..i am surrounded by them at the university.
As far as being in red or green or whatever i really don't care ..i made my millions...

Now he is telling us he is a millionaire.. Sorry I know I said I would stay off this thread but I can't help it... I just want to sum everything up........... He is a master of the martial arts, who holds a PH D, who writes papers on bio mechanical engineering who has been on national geographic , who's son will kick everyone's ass on this site. Who is 50+ and in better shape then any JUICER, who claims to know everything from someone who made steroids and sold them to people who died from using steroids. Lets see I don't know what else BULLSHIT I HAVE MISSED. oh he is a millionaire. If I have failed to mention anything else I apologize I cannot keep up with all his silliness... Oh and his daughter gets railed out by someone on this board.. Hope I got it all... And I swear this will be the last time I post I promise. At least on this thread....

 

[Thresh]

5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

 

[bjg]

cross80 so far all you have proven is that you are just a lowlife punk...while i am very happy enjoying my life you are just an angry sorry ass who gets off by insulting people out of pure jealousy...

 

[Curt James]

Memo

To: This thread
From: loyal reader

Subj: This thread

1.

 

[Diesel618]

as for me i don't need any study to know what is the truth...

strong argument.

 

[XYZ]

XYZ i am not your office boy or secretary to look for studies for you..you can do so yourself...as for me i don't need any study to know what is the truth ....i ve been around ..as for primo i said that it is advertised by steroids sites that it does not shut you down and it is well known from experienced bodybuilders..however, i also said that i still don't believe it if taken at high doses if you recall ...so if you have a fixation on contradicting me ..it is getting boring..
you will not find a single medical study that will say that steroids are good for you....however juicers do not want to admit it so instead they go claiming that there are no studies that say it is bad or it can kill you....so in general people will believe what they want....but if you want you can go ask your doctor endocrinologist and he will tell you what he studied throughout his 10 years ...and you probably you won't like the answer if you were a juicer.
As far as my knowledge about AAS ..i am proud to say that yes it is limited if you think knowledge in AAS is the kind gathered by some punks in the gym...and for sure i really don't care about AAS that much since i know what it does.....if i want to know about AAS i just go to experts the kind who write articles and do research ..i am surrounded by them at the university.
As far as being in red or green or whatever i really don't care ..i made my millions...

LOL, ok Bro, whatever you say.

 

[charley]

XYZ i am not your office boy or secretary to look for studies for you..you can do so yourself...as for me i don't need any study to know what is the truth ....i ve been around .....

.....Yo bro..that's what people do here, they gather information[studies e.g.] copy&paste for all to enjoy and learn.Talking snotty aint gonna express nothing that we don't already know, and that's that your a snot head.

 

[Curt James]

.....Yo bro..that's what people do here, they gather information[studies e.g.] copy&paste for all to enjoy and learn.Talking snotty aint gonna express nothing that we don't already know, and that's that your a snot head.

Never infracted anyone for calling someone a "snot head".

And, Qwai Chang, the thread includes many positive on-topic posts so save your requests, please.

 

[Qwai Chang]

Never infracted anyone for calling someone a "snot head".

And, Qwai Chang, the thread includes many positive on-topic posts so save your requests, please.

Thank You for your concern. Now I'm going to take an injection of Supertest 450, Test E 250, and Deca 250. A very nice bi-weekly cocktail.

 

[desmorris]

well nice informative thread. well motivation and availability matters for me alot.

 

[bjg]

just saw something funny that could be addressed for all those claiming " you keep your gains after steroids"...just go visit the Anabolic section with the thread: "what do you you do off cycle" (something like that)
well i was surprised to see that OFF Cycle for almost all the juicers there does not mean stopping steroids ,,,it just means taking a bit less than usual
so funny ...because the same kind of people will argue to death about all the gains they kept after steroids....you know what i mean?

 

[NoCode8511]

just saw something funny that could be addressed for all those claiming " you keep your gains after steroids"...just go visit the Anabolic section with the thread: "what do you you do off cycle" (something like that)
well i was surprised to see that OFF Cycle for almost all the juicers there does not mean stopping steroids ,,,it just means taking a bit less than usual
so funny ...because the same kind of people will argue to death about all the gains they kept after steroids....you know what i mean?

We could argue all day and night about this subject. I have read most of the studies that you pm'd me since I did ask for them. Some made sense, and that is why I stay away from certain compounds. But to say that we loose all our gains, I have to disagree with that. I have ran 3 injectable cycles and three ph's, and I have only lost a few lbs after the cycle (water weight.) And that was after I ran a proper PCT. I even had a few months off from lifting due to injuries and kept all my size.

Edit: I think its time we give this thread a rest.

 

[bjg]

yes we could put it at rest but one thing i wanted to add...i noticed that juicers train and build muscles for others ( to show off) while their internals are all messed up...while naturals workout for themselves to feel good to look good to be healthy they don't train for others

 

[NoCode8511]

yes we could put it at rest but one thing i wanted to add...i noticed that juicers train and build muscles for others ( to show off) while their internals are all messed up...while naturals workout for themselves to feel good to look good to be healthy they don't train for others

I tried to talk to you but.... you really are one stupid fuck! I juice and could care less about "building muscles for other people and to show off."

Please die!

 

[Curt James]

We could argue all day and night about this subject. I have read most of the studies that you pm'd me since I did ask for them. Some made sense, and that is why I stay away from certain compounds. But to say that we loose all our gains, I have to disagree with that. I have ran 3 injectable cycles and three ph's, and I have only lost a few lbs after the cycle (water weight.) And that was after I ran a proper PCT. I even had a few months off from lifting due to injuries and kept all my size.

Edit: I think its time we give this thread a rest.

Perhaps you should give replying to this thread a rest.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

XYZ i am not your office boy or secretary to look for studies for you..you can do so yourself...as for me i don't need any study to know what is the truth ....i ve been around ..as for primo i said that it is advertised by steroids sites that it does not shut you down and it is well known from experienced bodybuilders..however, i also said that i still don't believe it if taken at high doses if you recall ...so if you have a fixation on contradicting me ..it is getting boring..
you will not find a single medical study that will say that steroids are good for you....however juicers do not want to admit it so instead they go claiming that there are no studies that say it is bad or it can kill you....so in general people will believe what they want....but if you want you can go ask your doctor endocrinologist and he will tell you what he studied throughout his 10 years ...and you probably you won't like the answer if you were a juicer.
As far as my knowledge about AAS ..i am proud to say that yes it is limited if you think knowledge in AAS is the kind gathered by some punks in the gym...and for sure i really don't care about AAS that much since i know what it does.....if i want to know about AAS i just go to experts the kind who write articles and do research ..i am surrounded by them at the university.
As far as being in red or green or whatever i really don't care ..i made my millions...

routinely prescribed medicine



period


the end



shut up

 

[Qwai Chang]

Damn! Some folks will never get it through their fucking thick-headedness that steroids will not harm you. Case in point, I was natural years ago, but now I'm an old man and I need the "juice" to continue or lose everything gained while natural and on steroids. Most of you guys do about two to three cycles a year thereabouts, but me, I've been on a seven year cycle of testosterone. I inject at 1,000mg-5,000mg a month depending on how I feel. Starting out natural is fine, but it takes dedication, discipline, motivation, persistence, consistency, drive, and a strong desire to reach your goals with the use of AAS, but in my respect, those things were replaced with something else and now its steroids for life because if I should stop at this point, I'll crash and burn. Ignore my previous posts please.

 

[hill450]

yes we could put it at rest but one thing i wanted to add...i noticed that juicers train and build muscles for others ( to show off) while their internals are all messed up...while naturals workout for themselves to feel good to look good to be healthy they don't train for others

I don't workout for anyone but myself and if I want gear to take it to the next level then that is my choice. You have no right to make that claim. There are a lot of douches that juice to show off but I'll never be that way. I work hard for what I have and I will keep working just as hard. Gear is just icing on the cake and I love icing. Quit fighting it so much its just more of what you already have. I don't think people are pressured into using test or other steroids very often. If you want to be natural more power to you but don't criticize people who don't want to be. Its not your place.

 

[Qwai Chang]

Damn! Some folks will never get it through their fucking thick-headed-ness that steroids will not harm you. Case in point, I was natural years ago, but now I'm an old man and I need the "juice" to continue or lose everything gained while natural and on steroids. Most of you guys do about two to three cycles a year thereabouts, but me, I've been on a seven year cycle of testosterone. I inject at 1,000mg-5,000mg a month depending on how I feel. Starting out natural is fine, but it takes dedication, discipline, motivation, persistence, consistency, drive, and a strong desire to reach your goals without the use of AAS, but in my respect, those things were replaced with something else and now its steroids for life. I've never look at steroids as a means to strut around the gym and "show-off". "Showing-off" what? Some child-like stupidity seeking attention? There are plenty of those assholes in the gym already and they don't take any kind of steroid. The guys that are huge are really "gentle giants" and they keep to themselves. Yet, you always get the pack of guys that like to yell, talk loud, grunt, moan while doing a set and these guys are ALL NATURAL with BAD BEHAVIOR!!
Ignore my previous posts please.

XOXOXOXOXP Thanks

 

[colochine]

XOXOXOXOXP Thanks

Gtfo

 

[mssimpsons]

I just prefer to be "natural."

 

[Qwai Chang]

Opps!

Gtfo

Just got back in town from a brief respite. I tried to change my post here, but I screwed it up somehow. I believe most guys and gals shouldn't let a syringe of steroids hit their asses until they are in late '40's and early '50's. I take the AAS only to maintain what I have and my training days and routines are ever-changing. It felt really great going natural for 15 years and I was almost just as big as the guys using AAS. Beginning at 155lb to 238lb., but I must write this, I hate using steroids as a crutch and if I were to stop using them, I would become a frail old man.